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Well thank you all for your positive quotes. We might also want to consider with the universe being so big that we could be considered microscopic to everything else and just like bacteria is not really aware of us it could be hard for us to be aware of huge things. I like to think our universe was eaten by a gaint space fish and that is why it is so dark everywhere except the stars. and if you look at it stars can be compared to atoms because they are both forms of massive energy a star is just bigger and just like electrons we circle our star. Strange... how things so large and so small can be so similar.

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:Strange... how things so large and so small can be so similar.

Except they're not really similar at all. Things like fundamental particles don't really behave like planets, or stars.

Yea I know I was going more twoards their layout everything seems to revolve around something. I know what you mean.

generalgrog wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:what generalgrog said, and now that we ALL AGREE that live MUST EXIST somewhere out there..

Rasies hand, and points out that I never agreed that life MUST EXIST. I only ever postulated that it MIGHT exist. "somehwhere out there"

The possibility that it MIGHT exist is exactly why science fiction is so much fun.

GG

Grr get over the might-must-existence of life. We only looking into how it is like after that question is answered by a YES. Otherwise, it'd be a preeeetty boring post replying to r3n3g8b0y's first post:

-Sorry chap, we know you have hopes about aliens and all, but its a clear NO. They would have given us free ice-cream otherwise, huh?

Turbo10k wrote:

-Sorry chap, we know you have hopes about aliens and all, but its a clear NO. They would have given us free ice-cream otherwise, huh?

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like i said somewhere on page two or 3, they wouldn't be on the same technological level as us...i mean IF LIFE EXISTS (a shout to GG here, sorry for miss interpretating you mate) what are the chances of them being on the same level of technology as us? They might still be living in caves, or they could already eat air and use their minds to move things....

r3n3g8b0y wrote:like i said somewhere on page two or 3, they wouldn't be on the same technological level as us...i mean IF LIFE EXISTS (a shout to GG here, sorry for miss interpretating you mate) what are the chances of them being on the same level of technology as us? They might still be living in caves, or they could already eat air and use their minds to move things....

But the ting is that with life thought to be so common through the universe, there is a chance that there are a large number of species in the same technological timeframe as us at this given moment, or who went through it at a period which would enable us to see their radio signals (given that it is thought that a species which develops at the same rate technologically as we do would only have radio broadcasts detectable at any kind of distance for 200-300 years before they converted to tight beam and fibre optics, etc, and thus will not be broadcasting massive amounts of radio signals).

Either way, I don't really see what their technology level has to do with being able to detect and/or interact with them. It could be thought that the more advanced they are, the easier it is to communicate with them (given they will probably have better computers and/or brain power in order to work out what we are all saying and doing), or if they are much more primitive, as we can use more primitive communication methods to interact with them without offending them or something.

Has anyone heard of civilization classification?

Mark 1: Use up entire energy available on home planet
Mark 2: Use up entire energy available on local star
Mark 3: Use up entire energy available Local Space (depends, about 2-3 solar systems in a densely packet area of the galaxy)

Humans are about Mark 0.7 in the 21st century. Ants and other numerous species are below 0.01. Anything else is too insignificant. Just to show how much we have to go.

An ant would only be able to interact with a relatively miniature park of ONE member of the Human species. It wouldn't understand anything of it (imagine a giant warm field with strange dark herbs, hot rivers pulsating beneath your feet, and moves around at the speed of your regular F1 car. You cling on with all the force you can summon, then squish, you die...) before you are destroyed by unfathomable force or simply ignored. Now imagine an Interstellar space ship built in the 25th century entering a solar system where strangely the home planet glows more brightly than the local star...as it approaches, it is ripped apart into plasma in a nanosecond, then compressed into a sphere 1 millimeter across and accelerated away at 95% on the speed of light.

In both cases, the level of civilization is too different for them to interact. IMHO, the two interacting members would have be on a fairly similar level for anything to happen. 500 years ago, we same humans wouldn't have understood head from tail of a nuclear reactor, so imagine a universe where life can take any shape or form, develop anytime or anywhere, with or without the intent to search you out...If that is the case, we could have already encountered hundreds of alien species without ever noticing.

PS: To further add credit to the 'super-advanced alien' theory, knowing that the universe is VERY hostile, an alien species intent on surviving would have to develop fast, very fast, into a mean, quick, sly armed-to-the-teeth civilisation...puny stone-age eggheads would be helpless if the all-too-common asteroid strike wipes them out. Look at us! In 1000 years, we moved from riding on horseback to proposing COMMERCIAL orbital flights, from slashing at each other with bronze swords to firing mach 7 slugs from a railgun, from sending letters that took weeks to reach another country to sending probes outside of our solar system!

Wow, ive never heard of that befor 10k...nice nice stuff...0.7 then that means in about 30-40 years we gotta live on the moon!

sigh this thread is dead...have fun out there aliens!

I liked it while it lasted!

i liked it too, but we still need a finishing quote or something...

" Alien life does exist, because we can't be the only intelligent species in this universe"

Turbo10k wrote:Has anyone heard of civilization classification?

Mark 1: Use up entire energy available on home planet
Mark 2: Use up entire energy available on local star
Mark 3: Use up entire energy available Local Space (depends, about 2-3 solar systems in a densely packet area of the galaxy)

Maybe it was hot stuff in the industrial age, but how much of the most valued things of this time need XBOX HUEG amounts of energy to come into being? Pretty much none of them. It's all about information now.

true orkeo, information is EVERYTHING!!!

Yes 'cause without knowledge we are nothing.
P.S. Have fun takin' over the universe aliens!

one last thing...

So do I buddy, so do I...

well even if a race did emit radio waves we are still seeing everything millions of years in the past so if they existed in our current time frame we wouldnt be able to see them until millions of years from now by which another few million years would have passed so we couldnt really see unless we developed some rapid form of travel meaning we can safely assume that there wasnt anything in the past but pressently we cannot be sure because of the tricks of the eyes and the rate it takes light to travel we are ultiately blind to the rest of the universe.

nethaniellovesthorpe wrote:well even if a race did emit radio waves we are still seeing everything millions of years in the past so if they existed in our current time frame we wouldnt be able to see them until millions of years from now by which another few million years would have passed so we couldnt really see unless we developed some rapid form of travel meaning we can safely assume that there wasnt anything in the past but pressently we cannot be sure because of the tricks of the eyes and the rate it takes light to travel we are ultiately blind to the rest of the universe.

yeah but who says they're using radiowaves???

Well just about everything emits radio waves and even if they did not anything they did emit would take so long to reach us we would still be looking at the past. On nasa.com they have pictures of the universe and milky way in all the major forms of radiation and no matter the form it still takes to long to get to us. Radio waves are also the most promenient form of radiation emited because basiclly everything emits it except for a few dense elements which emit only other forms of radiation waves and not radio where as everything else does and unless they species is only made out of those specific elements they would otherwise emit radio waves along with the other forms of radiation.

but still, they could be using a far more advanced form of communication and they might be able to hide their radiowaves completely...nothin is impossible!!

I once read a SF story where a hyper-advance million-old alien race had built itself a virtual telepathic-webspace reality and didn't need energy beyond natural occuring phenomenon and didn't emit a squiggly bit of radio or anything! The main character got contacted by dreams...lol

Yea I know anything is possible I am just looking at it from a logical point of veiw.

Hey, what do you think life would look like on another planet?

Munch Munch! wrote:Hey, what do you think life would look like on another planet?

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Munch Munch! wrote:Hey, what do you think life would look like on another planet?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA can't stop. Rug needs a clean.

I think it would look more like Pee-Wee Herman.

...think about the thread title...oh you wouldn't get it anyway!!!

Life can come in any shape or form. Change environment just a little bit (surface in L.A. vs 10 meters deep in the same bay) and see how life can adopt different life forms (ie the difference between a drunk nerd and seaweed)...now thats still on the West Board of the US, still on Earth, still orbiting the same sun...Now imagine a few lightyears away...Or rather, stop imagining. Your mind ain't broad enough.

Yes it is.