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Firesolved wrote:

Deep Throat wrote:Since I really like the faction, I've been additively reading the book Faith and Fire about the Sisters of Battle. I'm really enjoying it and am at the last two chapters. I really like it and am also interested in other books such as Lord of the Night and the Dark Apostle series, but don't know much about either.

I would highly suggest The Dark Apostle series. Lord of the Night is pretty epic and if you like that one, you should DEFINITELY read the newer Soul Hunter.

I used to think the Night Lords were a bunch of wanton murderers with no direction. I was wrong.

They aren't?

Not even close. In my personal opinion, they are the only traitor legion with any kind of motivation at all. While Abaddon and the Emperor's Children run around like coke-addicts in Tin Man costumes, the Night Lords seem like they have a cohesive drive and a common purpose that transcends their own petty disputes. I just read Soul Hunter, and was so blown away that I can barely describe it.

Now don't get me wrong, they are still evil. Wanton murderers? Certainly. No direction? Absolutely not the case. The Night Lords have more purpose than several of the loyalist chapters.

Firesolved, good pick.

Canuck, you should check it out. It's good stuff.

But what purpose could they have? Are you sure it isn't just "Death to The False Emperor!"

Also I would say Alpha Legion is up to something too.

I enjoy pretty much anything by Dan Abnett or Sandy Mitchell.

My favorite single book though, was "Zavant" by Gordon Rennie. The main characters are a WFB version of Holmes and Watson. Of course, I've read many more Sherlock Homes pastiche novels than Black Library.

Jimsolo wrote:the Night Lords seem like they have a cohesive drive and a common purpose

I'm thinking not so much. While your discription of Abaddon and his flunkies is accurate, the Lords aren't a whiole lot better. Broken up into so many warbands, there is no common purpose because there is no common leader. While certain charactors have their stuff togehter, the Night Lords as a whole is actually less cohesive than the Black Legion.

About the first 5 Horus Heresy books I liked, mainly to read up on 40k history and get up to speed on 40k lore. The writing I'll admit is decidedly hit and miss. However my view is that you cannot expect Tolkien-eske writing from a universe populated by the genocidal equivalents of Buzz Lightyears, Space Elves and Space Orks with guns

Gaunt's Ghosts were a very good read, especially the first two story arcs. The characters were likeable, and Rawne/Feygor's booze run is classic. Dan also does Double Eagle, which I loved, even if I don't know squat about imperial flying machines.

Storm Of Iron was a good find, the Iron Warriors would have to be my favourite Traitor Legion along with the Alpha Legion and Emperor's Children and to find a book following them in the "current" 40k timeline was great

But having read Warrior Brood by Goto and everyone's favourite bashing book Descent of Angels (which wasn't terrible, just dreadfully slow) there are some shockers out there. Still, both still gave me some insight into Tyranids and origin of the Dark Angels and I quite liked the fact that the idea of the Legion is very similar to a popular fairy tale.

I loved "A Thousand Sons" honestly. Started slow but picked up and never felt silly like some of the other novels. 95% of the book wasn't about Space Marines fighting, fittingly for the Thousand Sons, but instead about the how and why of the Universe. The conversation between Tzeentch and Magnus when the full scale of everything being part of Tzeentch's plan finally hits Magnus was pretty masterfully done.

And Ahriman seemed so very human.

Also it's not just my bias, http://www.gamertell.com/gaming/comment/a-thousand-sons-makes-new-york-times-best-seller-list/

First 40k novel to do so!

Clearly Games Workshop needs to take the hint and start working on Codex: Thousand Sons...

Nitros14 wrote:I loved "A Thousand Sons" honestly. Started slow but picked up and never felt silly like some of the other novels. 95% of the book wasn't about Space Marines fighting, fittingly for the Thousand Sons, but instead about the how and why of the Universe. The conversation between Tzeentch and Magnus when the full scale of everything being part of Tzeentch's plan finally hits Magnus was pretty masterfully done.

And Ahriman seemed so very human.

Also it's not just my bias, http://www.gamertell.com/gaming/comment/a-thousand-sons-makes-new-york-times-best-seller-list/

First 40k novel to do so!

Clearly Games Workshop needs to take the hint and start working on Codex: Thousand Sons...

Just finished Thousand Sons and I also loved it...

Can't wait for Prospero Burns!

Grotzooka: I don't think I was clear.

I don't mean purpose and direction in the sense of military objectives.

I mean motives as it relates to character and plot. Abaddon and most of the other Chaos followers seem to have a motive of 'Kill people, break gak' for no other reason than 'because we're evil.'

The Night Lords, on the other hand, do most of the same things, but they actually have a motive behind their actions. Not only that, but a motive I can understand and empathize with.

I don't want to post a bunch of spoilers, but I would highly recommend reading Soul Hunter. Very good book. I was skeptical going in, but by the end I had found the only Chaos subgroup that I had any kind of feeling for whatsoever.

Jimsolo wrote:Grotzooka: I don't think I was clear.

I don't mean purpose and direction in the sense of military objectives.

I mean motives as it relates to character and plot. Abaddon and most of the other Chaos followers seem to have a motive of 'Kill people, break gak' for no other reason than 'because we're evil.'

The Night Lords, on the other hand, do most of the same things, but they actually have a motive behind their actions. Not only that, but a motive I can understand and empathize with.

I don't want to post a bunch of spoilers, but I would highly recommend reading Soul Hunter. Very good book. I was skeptical going in, but by the end I had found the only Chaos subgroup that I had any kind of feeling for whatsoever.

Ah, I see. In that case, you are right.
And, yes, Soul Hunter is amazing.

I do enjoy W40k novels. Although I steer clear of Imperial Guard ones (dabbled with Cain and was a bit meh) I like Space Marines and Chaos Marines.

However I do feel my collection will eventually go the way of my extensive Star Wars Extended Universe book collection....
Oxfam recycling.

For me,its anything by Dan Abnett,Sandy Mitchell topping my list of must reads.With Eisenhorn and Ciaphus Cain being particular faves.The HH stuff is,all in all very good and i am enjoying the whole lead up to the battle that all readers are waiting for.Fantasy wise,Gotrek,Malus Darkblade and the Blackhearts series are well recommended reads.

I wonder if they actually ever will do the Battle for the Emperor's palace? I don't think they will actually.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I wonder if they actually ever will do the Battle for the Emperor's palace? I don't think they will actually.

But they must! You can't end the Horus Heresy without talking about the end of the Horus Heresy.

Grotzooka wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I wonder if they actually ever will do the Battle for the Emperor's palace? I don't think they will actually.

But they must! You can't end the Horus Heresy without talking about the end of the Horus Heresy.

Its become tradition in 40K to never actually have the Emperor as a character. Everything about him is hearsay, stories and anecdotes. If they did it it would be a story from one guys point of view. Maybe the Pius guy or whoever that saved the emperor. 'Cept he died.

After reading a few posts and borrowing a few books, I have to agree that the IG novels are generally very good. I've read a few of Gaunt's Ghosts and I've recently finished Cadian Blood and they were great!

Space Marines novels still entertain me but to me, they don't seem over powered enough. I don't know how that works but they just don't.

I'm currently reading Heroes of the Space Marines. It's a collection of fairly good short stories by different authors. The first story (Something about a skull harvest) isn't all that great though. When reading it it feels like you are watching from a great distance instead of being in with the action. And what kind of name is Honsou?

They did do one story with the Emperor. The Last Church.


GalacticDefender you unfortunately have come to reading the first story of Heroes of the Space Marines without reading:
Storm of Iron
The Ultramarines Omnibus.

Read them, and then read Skull Harvest again.

Corennus wrote:GalacticDefender you unfortunately have come to reading the first story of Heroes of the Space Marines without reading:
Storm of Iron
The Ultramarines Omnibus.

Read them, and then read Skull Harvest again.

Also that one story in Planetkill. The somethingorother Effect.

GalacticDefender wrote:I'm currently reading Heroes of the Space Marines. It's a collection of fairly good short stories by different authors. The first story (Something about a skull harvest) isn't all that great though. When reading it it feels like you are watching from a great distance instead of being in with the action. And what kind of name is Honsou?

I think Honsou is the Egyptian god of vengeance....at least according to Moon Knight from marvel comics....

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:I'm currently reading Heroes of the Space Marines. It's a collection of fairly good short stories by different authors. The first story (Something about a skull harvest) isn't all that great though. When reading it it feels like you are watching from a great distance instead of being in with the action. And what kind of name is Honsou?

I think Honsou is the Egyptian god of vengeance....at least according to Moon Knight from marvel comics....

He's also the antagonist of the Ultramarines series.


I've been reading the Grey Knights book, the Ultramarines series and recently started Horyus H and they're all pretty neat.

I like Abnett's stuff and all of Aaron Demski-bowden's stuff so far.

The rest of the books are a bit hit and miss in my opinion.

Darkchild

I've been burning through the HH series and have arrived at a gap in my library. I don't own Battle for the Abyss, so I've skipped to Mechanicum in the mean time.

Is Battle worth picking up? I've heard mixed reviews.

Darkchild wrote:I like Abnett's stuff and all of Aaron Demski-bowden's stuff so far.

The rest of the books are a bit hit and miss in my opinion.

Darkchild

What's Aaron-Demski-bowden written?


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Extinction Angel wrote:I've been burning through the HH series and have arrived at a gap in my library. I don't own Battle for the Abyss, so I've skipped to Mechanicum in the mean time.

Is Battle worth picking up? I've heard mixed reviews.

Just started reading i so far. Kinda reminds me of a Star Trek movie so far. So I guess if you like that kinda action get it.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Darkchild wrote:I like Abnett's stuff and all of Aaron Demski-bowden's stuff so far.

The rest of the books are a bit hit and miss in my opinion.

Darkchild

What's Aaron-Demski-bowden written?


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Extinction Angel wrote:I've been burning through the HH series and have arrived at a gap in my library. I don't own Battle for the Abyss, so I've skipped to Mechanicum in the mean time.

Is Battle worth picking up? I've heard mixed reviews.

Just started reading i so far. Kinda reminds me of a Star Trek movie so far. So I guess if you like that kinda action get it.

So far, Aaron has written Cadian Blood (stand-alone IG book) and Soul Hunter (new Night Lords series starter). He's good.
I liked Abyss but lots of other people don't. You should try it at least.

Cadian blood was a good read and I've been recently trying to get ahold of the Night Lords series. I strongly reccomend Cadian Blood.

I also finished Legion, the one about the Alpha Legion. It's less of the action things and more cerebral and deceit. It really helped me to understand the Alpha Legion more.

So far I've enjoyed the last two novels I've read (Sons of Dorn and Rynn's World) waiting for my copy of Helreach to arrive at the local store.

Can't wait... *drool*

A Thousand Sons was good, and Legion was good as far as the HH series goes.

I read the first Salamander novel, which was kind of average for me, which is unfortunate as I like the Salamanders.

Legion....ummmmmmmmmmmm

Not a fan. But YMMV.

You have to read Heroes of the Space Marines to truly understand Salamander. Without it it's like watching Star Wars without the opening text crawl....

Corennus wrote:
You have to read Heroes of the Space Marines to truly understand Salamander. Without it it's like watching Star Wars without the opening text crawl....

I had no intention of reading Salamander until I read this story. It wasn't necessarily well written, but the aspects of intrigue were there and it made me want to find out what happens.

Along those same lines, I didn't like a lot of the writing in Legion, but it was quite a good story and had some interesting tidbits. I could really care less about the Geno and the Alpha ninjas but the events that they were a part of made it worth the read, and some people will find the other parts interesting.