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Nice castle you have, no need to change that. Nothing wrong with castles on cliffs, you just dont get much extra benefit, and will likely not have access for any artics you commandeer. You might have to rely on a small van for your supply runs. More trips = more risk.

You wont be alone in as castle though, not only you get those who purposely travel there, you get locals who run there by happenstance.

...with the castle. What about Water? You need clean water and if zombies get in the water it will contaminate it.

Castle has a cafe so fill up every container i can find at first, plus SCOTLAND= RAIN.

Ok...that makes sense.
Yea I don't really know anything about Scotland climate being in America and all. =/
unfortunatly I don't even know that much about castles :(

Commissar NIkev wrote:...with the castle. What about Water? You need clean water and if zombies get in the water it will contaminate it.

All castles have a well, its the first thing dug. If you cannot get to a sustainable warter supply the site is not good enough for a castle. Many castle wells on good sites had to dig several hundred feet to water, but dig they did, no water no castle.

A well might be capped but is unlikely to be no longer there.

Edinbrugh castles well would mosty likly be clogged up with coins though, don't know what money does to water over extended periods of time.

Orlanth wrote:

Commissar NIkev wrote:...with the castle. What about Water? You need clean water and if zombies get in the water it will contaminate it.

All castles have a well, its the first thing dug. If you cannot get to a sustainable warter supply the site is not good enough for a castle. Many castle wells on good sites had to dig several hundred feet to water, but dig they did, no water no castle.

A well might be capped but is unlikely to be no longer there.

Thats logical....

@FM Ninja 048 - The coins would probably contaminate the water.

An easier alternative to chainmail would be (taking a bite outta Mad Max here) is padding.

Football and Hockey padding is really big and could limit the mobility/agility advantage that you want to have over a zombie.

I would suggest using something like paintballing armor, as it's lightweight and could stop a bite, but doesn't restrict movement.

Or you could go the route of certain law enforcement agencies, and wear low caliber bullet proof armor.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:An easier alternative to chainmail would be (taking a bite outta Mad Max here) is padding.

Football and Hockey padding is really big and could limit the mobility/agility advantage that you want to have over a zombie.

I would suggest using something like paintballing armor, as it's lightweight and could stop a bite, but doesn't restrict movement.

Or you could go the route of certain law enforcement agencies, and wear low caliber bullet proof armor.

true, but a zombie can only bite through what a human could bite through so if you cant eat it they can't, therefor masssive amounts of armour is overcompinsating you don't really need that much to fend of a bit, jeans and a ripstop jacket would do.

....your forgeting about saliva....if you get cut and get blood/saliva/anyotherbodyfluid in that cut its over. so I doubt Jeans would be a good Idea.

Commissar NIkev wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

Commissar NIkev wrote:...with the castle. What about Water? You need clean water and if zombies get in the water it will contaminate it.

All castles have a well, its the first thing dug. If you cannot get to a sustainable warter supply the site is not good enough for a castle. Many castle wells on good sites had to dig several hundred feet to water, but dig they did, no water no castle.

A well might be capped but is unlikely to be no longer there.

Thats logical....

@FM Ninja 048 - The coins would probably contaminate the water.

Coins wouldn't necessarly contaminate the water,coins (silver and copper ionazation) was used for centuries in keeping water fresh,American pioneers used coins in their barreled water supplies to prevent bacterial growth.

ah......well then.....nevermind.....
Thanks!

Armor is also a matter of climate. A full suit of chain with the proper padding underneath would cook someone here in Az about 9 months out of the year. Having had to wear riot armor in July, you get about an hour in the sun before you need to be rotated out to rehydrate and get your core temp down.

What about vehicles? Id rather run a zombie over than have to chop them up

Commissar NIkev wrote:....your forgeting about saliva....if you get cut and get blood/saliva/anyotherbodyfluid in that cut its over. so I doubt Jeans would be a good Idea.

We have to allow for some leeway regarding contaminated fluids or chainsaws wouldn't be weapons of choice.

I'd suggest either a dirt bike, ebacuse they are rugged and relatively simple to learn how to use, tho it's better for using to slip away from a zombie.

The attack transport would prolly be an armored car that cna be found in banks or companies that tranport valuables. Outfit it with a dozer blade, and problem solved.

A push bike is probably the best. A dirt bike can be heard from 8000000000000000000 miles away, so will attract everything in the world to your position.

A push bike is faster over long distances than walking or running, and it is very quiet, light enough to lug over walls etc. And you can still hook on a trailer to carry supplies/team mates.

I watched this recently but has anbody concidered a senario like "Doomsday", the movie where they just quarintine scotland because of infection to contain the outbreak, would it be possible to make it through the quarintine zone it this way the case? plus the infected country's economy just sagnates as the rest of the world tries to ignore it how would this work out, in the movie an infection pops up in london, but that was a virus not proper zombies so basically can zombies be quarintined or would it end up like 28 weeks later?

FM Ninja 048 wrote:I watched this recently but has anbody concidered a senario like "Doomsday", the movie where they just quarintine scotland because of infection to contain the outbreak, would it be possible to make it through the quarintine zone it this way the case? plus the infected country's economy just sagnates as the rest of the world tries to ignore it how would this work out, in the movie an infection pops up in london, but that was a virus not proper zombies so basically can zombies be quarintined or would it end up like 28 weeks later?

It would depend, How fast did we discover it? How many people has it infected before we discovered it? How many tourists have left said area unknowingly infected with it? Is it Airborne? Can we get it from animals? How badly did the government(s) feth up the cure?


As for vehicle, I would avoid most vehicles, probably keep a Pick'em up truck for a quick getaway, but other than that, it would be hard to keep the gas for it when you would need the gas for other needs (Warmth, Cooking, stuff like that).

How many of you have rules set up? I have a couple rules for when I hole up:
Rule #1: No acting like a zombie or I will shoot you, and if you get bitten you have 1 hour to get yourself out of my sight before I start shooting. (Provided survivors aren't immune, anyway)
Rule #2: No Smoking, We are stuck in a small farmhouse, and I don't want to have to smell that....
Rule #3: No hardcore drinking, last thing we need is someone to get piss drunk, think their invincible/want to pee outside/don't care, and tear down part of our defenses.
Rule #4: It's either usefull, or dead weight. This includes people.

Rules sound like a good idea.
I use some variation of these in my everyday life, LOL.

1) One Speed: Mine. If you cna over take me, leave me behind. I can track if I need to.
2) You get bitten, one round in between the eyes. I expect no less for myself.
3) I will not heistate to kill you if you suffer from "Terminal Idiocy." The only cure is death.
4) If you don't have anything useful to say, shut your face hole.

Slarg232 wrote:How many of you have rules set up? I have a couple rules for when I hole up:
Rule #1: No acting like a zombie or I will shoot you, and if you get bitten you have 1 hour to get yourself out of my sight before I start shooting. (Provided survivors aren't immune, anyway)
Rule #2: No Smoking, We are stuck in a small farmhouse, and I don't want to have to smell that....
Rule #3: No hardcore drinking, last thing we need is someone to get piss drunk, think their invincible/want to pee outside/don't care, and tear down part of our defenses.
Rule #4: It's either usefull, or dead weight. This includes people.

5) Keep it secret, keep it safe - light and noise discipline at all times.
6) Knowledge is power - everyone is expected to learn new skills (medicine, engineering, etc) and teach them to the group - everyone should know enough to at least help with every aspect of life.
7) For the greater good - risk is not an option - even if you really want to get that petrol from the station, if it is too risky, retreat and come up with another plan - lives are worth more than anything.
8) Check, check, check again - Check that you have all your equipment before you go out, check someone knows where you are going, check everyone in the party knows the plan and has everything they need, most important of all - check everyone (head to foot) for injuries and bites after every trip into the outside world.
9) Fitness first - Everyone must keep fit.
10) Keep busy - idle hands are the devil's play thing, and bored people start to get itchy. Keep busy with activity, talent shows, teaching, growing food, learning, etc as much as possible.

While the majority of Slargs,GES & Silvers "rules" are good ones (although I take exception to the smoking one),steadfast rules could just as likely get you killed(or create problems) as well.
A set of guidlines is of course needed,but remaining fluid will probably be a better state of mind.
For example,Silvers rule # 7..in many cases "risk" is going to have to be an option if you wish to remain alive.

Concerning vehicles,it deppends on the area your in,GES idea concerning dirt bikes is good for open areas and quick recon,and IMO camper equiped pick up trucks would be a must have,along with modified U-huals for "supply raids".
What ever the vehicles,I would advise older models as they are much easier to repair and maintain.

Rules are made to be broken

Obviously for number 7, "risk" is subjective. If you need something and will not be able to exist without it, the risk of attacking a large group of zombies is lower than the risk of not attacking them.

@FITZZ: You'd eventually run out of cigarettes, and unless you feel like tending to your own crop of tobacco, picking it, drying them out, then rolling them, and then smoking them.
And you'd have to rotate the soil every year with peanut/soy/kudzu anyway to continue growing tobacco.

And for vehicles: A mountain bike is good, only as long as oyu cna ride it. If someone isn't physically fit enough to ride it up a steep hill fats enough to escape form zombies, they become tired out, and become a liability.
Which is where a dirt/high performance bike comes in.

Not all are incredibly loud. Some are only loud if you decide to rev the bike, in which case you suffer from terminal idiocy, and I will shoot your gas tank.

COurse, if your ride a chopper, those always seem to be loud. Tho I may be mistaken.

Regular cars are a no-no. Too flimsy, can't push through masses of the undead clogging the streets very well. Also, try not to drive over them in your MBT. Body parts can, actually, clog your treds.

M3 Half Track would be ideal except for the fairly low open back. Humber Pig is a viable wheeled option that some swat teams picked up when they were decommissioned.

Russian BMP 1 or 3 would be the bomb. Damn things are rugged as gak. Brads require too much maintenance. You'll want something that you won't need a lot of parts for in a vehicle that runs off available fuel. If the zombies are petering out or you don't have a large swarm, then a duce will do you nicely, particularly the mobile command center/tool shop type with the hard backs.

@ Silver.

Exactly ,that's why I'm more in favor of "guidlines and flexiblity".

@ GES.

Well,given the fact that maintaing ones ability to "run like hell" if needed is going to be very important to ones survival in a zombie infested world,I may have to cut back on the smoking,plus the smell of cigarettes may give away positions in certain tactical situations,so no smoking there.
However,in a "Fortress" that's already surrounded...smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

Guidelines would be better than rules, and no pets as they may carry the virus and not get infected.

also would a good old 4x4 with a crude dozerblade, plates over the wheels and bars over the windows be just as good and more easily avalible than a military grade apc

and on the cigs could you not just grab your packets when you went raiding for food that would last a while as zombies don't smoke

While there arent many in my area- snow plows seem like ready made for dealing with zombies. A purpose built plow designed to handle heavy loads and traction designed for slippery surfaces(as blood is really slippery til it starts to dry). And while not great on gas, they'll get farther than tracked vehicles on the same amount of fuel.

Mistress of minis wrote:While there arent many in my area- snow plows seem like ready made for dealing with zombies. A purpose built plow designed to handle heavy loads and traction designed for slippery surfaces(as blood is really slippery til it starts to dry). And while not great on gas, they'll get farther than tracked vehicles on the same amount of fuel.

good idea and you could custom the back so its easyer to get in/out of so you could fill it with suplies

Mistress of minis wrote:While there arent many in my area- snow plows seem like ready made for dealing with zombies. A purpose built plow designed to handle heavy loads and traction designed for slippery surfaces(as blood is really slippery til it starts to dry). And while not great on gas, they'll get farther than tracked vehicles on the same amount of fuel.

Problem is, most Snowplows aren't really that fast, so would quickly be overwelmed by a horde.

5) Keep it secret, keep it safe - light and noise discipline at all times.
6) Knowledge is power - everyone is expected to learn new skills (medicine, engineering, etc) and teach them to the group - everyone should know enough to at least help with every aspect of life.
7) For the greater good - risk is not an option - even if you really want to get that petrol from the station, if it is too risky, retreat and come up with another plan - lives are worth more than anything.
8) Check, check, check again - Check that you have all your equipment before you go out, check someone knows where you are going, check everyone in the party knows the plan and has everything they need, most important of all - check everyone (head to foot) for injuries and bites after every trip into the outside world.
9) Fitness first - Everyone must keep fit.
10) Keep busy - idle hands are the devil's play thing, and bored people start to get itchy. Keep busy with activity, talent shows, teaching, growing food, learning, etc as much as possible.

Definatly a good 6. going to have to add them to mine.

As for them being "guidelines", in my town the only one I would really have problems enforcing would be the drinking one, since this town is filled with teenagers whose parents help supply the booze, they would not really care for me to tell them not to get drunk (though put them all in a small building together, and I gerruntee they will have the town repopulated in 9 months ). But anyway, the people in my area are pretty much useless, the kind of people who talk big and bad but the moment someone stands up to them, they back down. I highly doubt any of them will know what to do if/when the apocolypse hits. But then, I'm graduating saturday, so if it happens on 2012 I'll be long gone from here.

Of course the other upside of snow plows would be that they would be most available in regions where,if the book World War Z is to be "belived",zombies freeze solid and become inanimate during half the year.


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Slarg232 wrote:

As for them being "guidelines", in my town the only one I would really have problems enforcing would be the drinking one, since this town is filled with teenagers whose parents help supply the booze, they would not really care for me to tell them not to get drunk (though put them all in a small building together, and I gerruntee they will have the town repopulated in 9 months ). But anyway, the people in my area are pretty much useless, the kind of people who talk big and bad but the moment someone stands up to them, they back down. I highly doubt any of them will know what to do if/when the apocolypse hits. But then, I'm graduating saturday, so if it happens on 2012 I'll be long gone from here.

Not to worry,the vast majority of boozing teens(and adults as well) won't survive the first week.