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Everybody seems to be obsessed with walls all off a sudden. It's incredibly easy to amke some defensive barricades to slow zombies down and allow oyu to mount a proper defence that don't require 30 foot high walls.
Well, depending on the size of the horde.

Inwhich case, I will admit to wanting to be in the castle.

I would praise grandfather Nurgle for blessing this Planet with one of the deadliest diseases known to the Imperium of Man (except AIDS). I would also confinscate all shotguns, the well known "cure" for those infected with the zombie plague (and AIDS). The Planet would Then belong to nurgle and then I'd be promoted to Daemon Prince! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

IG_urban wrote:

transcribe means that it came from audio.....why not just copy and past the email? Oh, and you also said "inaudible" in that same post..implying you probably called and left a message in a failed attempt to "burn" me for this topic.

no the only plans I have said anything about were the castle and your prison (and GES's). I have gone back and admitted that I was wrong a number of times, wheres you just turned on your b switch as soon as I had issues with your plan. because you have to be right.

mistress is being needlessly nasty....I will not tolerate that. I cannot stand people making idiotic assumptions about my life based on a few lines of text...typical ignorance.

I never claimed to have gotten the email from him directly, nor claimed to have been the intended recipient. Myself and a few other weapons enthusiasts have a mailing list where we share tidbits of relevant information. Just like there are 40k forums and mailing lists, they exist for gun nuts too.

You're talking about idiotic assumptions based on a few lines of text and typical ignorance. This is amusing as you're demonstrating it yourself and cant seem to see that. Like assuming Im being 'nasty'. Im merely responding to your claims, which when challenged you get very defensive which shows some insecurity. You dismiss others ideas without making any relevant thoughts or reasons- and get confrontational when your own are challenged with logical points.

If you're not up for a little intellectual sparring which includes having your ideas challenged, you need better ideas, or to be able to more coherently communicate. 'Think tanks' are about having your ideas challenged- which lets them evolve past problems you cant see from your perspective. Several points against your Costco plan have been made, and each time you blindly defend the plan and make solutions which arent practical at all (like lifting TONS of rotting food to the roof to throw it out....come on...really....). If you accepted the criticism and refined the plan, and saw the value in others plans- you open up more options and possibilities.

You dont seem to be willing to see things from the perspective of others, that limits your abilities. If you dont want your ideas to be challenged, dont post them in a forum like this. Otherwise, look at it as a chance to find new holes in your plan you dont have the life experience to have seen yourself.

*Uses TA-5's to headshoot 45 zombies in less then 20 secs.*


... Why post around here? I just pointed out the most glaring flaw in his plan, and everyone ignored it.

I'll repeat, since no one is paying attention due to personal drama:

Everyone and their brother will be heading to costco (and similar stores such as wal-mart) with the same idea. In any plague situation, zombie or otherwise, your odds of avoiding infection are much higher when you avoid the vector that spreads it. In this case: people. Or zombies, which are pretty much the same thing.

BaronIveagh wrote:*Uses TA-5's to headshoot 45 zombies in less then 20 secs.*
Everyone and their brother will be heading to costco (and similar stores such as wal-mart) with the same idea. In any plague situation, zombie or otherwise, your odds of avoiding infection are much higher when you avoid the vector that spreads it. In this case: people. Or zombies, which are pretty much the same thing.

Exactly- you would only need enough food to last a few weeks while the zombies eat all the unarmed 'sheeple'. After that theres less competition for resources.

Another factor that we havent taken into account, is while we have talked about what 'type' of zombies- we wouldnt have anyway of knowing what kind they were right away. It would take some time to figure that out, and during that time avoiding them altogether would be the safest route. It would kind of suck to think theyre shuffling biter zombies, only to get a blood splash by a viral zombie. If animals arent affected by it- could the carrion eaters still be carriers?

Mistress of minis wrote:Another factor that we havent taken into account, is while we have talked about what 'type' of zombies- we wouldnt have anyway of knowing what kind they were right away. It would take some time to figure that out, and during that time avoiding them altogether would be the safest route. It would kind of suck to think theyre shuffling biter zombies, only to get a blood splash by a viral zombie. If animals arent affected by it- could the carrion eaters still be carriers?

Also, would survivors be lucky and not infected, therefor being bitten would mean getting infected, OR...... would the survivors be Carriers, infected with the desease, but unaffected by it? Something that would need to be figured out quickly, with no real safe way of testing it.

Hmmm, thats something I dont think has ever been touched on- that being a human carrier thats not affected. That would just suck, like a Zombie STD . It would require organized medical tests and quarantine procedures- would definitely make people super paranoid.

On the upside, depending on your climate, assuming they're really the undead, you only have to last a few months before zombies would disintegrate. Something I've noticed gets danced around a lot in cinema.

True- zombies and winter would make for zombi-cicles. And in the southwest 100+ degree weather would at least made sure you could smell the zombies coming.

Actually, in the southwest, they'd last longer, due to mummification.

Nope- not out in the open air- they'd rot like anyother dead critter. The air here is drier, but all the moisture & bacteria from the internal organs would still be pretty nasty. And if they did dry out- I think zombies only work when theyre 'moist'

You know, now re-thinking this, and seeing I didn't have as much fun with this thread in my earlier post, I'll post again.

Since I AM fethed in chicago, no matter how you look at it, zombie-gangsters high as a mofo roam the streets 24/7 (heh, funny, you know, chicago, guns...yeah) I won't re-think that. I would kill myself with my gun no matter what, I am not getting eaten alive, I'd rather just die and see what really happens when your dead, than to have one of the countless horrors that could happen to me in a zombie outbreak.

So, Sweden. Considering a lot of people probably would go to the castle I mentioned (it has a flakking moat, and a crank-up bridge, and the moat is literally huge, zombies would just sink and get stuck or something, they're not getting out of it.) I'll think of a different possibility.

I would have one other person with me, preferably my brother Doug, as he is pretty smart, and ran with me during our crime careers in the gak-lands of Chicago. I would kill myself of being alone, or go insane.

With that one other person being with me, I would have my Tek-9, along with oodles of ammunition, and 2 spare clips, along with a glock 9MM, with tons of ammunition and I think one other spare clip.

And these:





My brother would have probably something similar minus the swords, I can't say for sure.

And, I'd take my beastlord model to remind me of my Warhammer dreams so I don't go insane. Memories is about all we will have to entertain ourselves when we aren't running from/killing zombies.

My parents would be dead by then, like it or not, they are too old and slow to lug around, and I would have them to cry me to sleep every night.

We would drive to the very, very north of sweden, where it is barely habitable by human beings. My great uncle has a cottage in the mountains. He built a nuclear holocaust bunker under it, and you can guess whats under there. Lots of food, lots of water, lots of not dieing for a VERY, VERY long time.

Basically, we would send out groups of two at a time to search for anything, animals to eat for a change of eating most likely the same thing every day, zombies to shoot (the very, very few that would be up there, let alone SURVIVE up there)

Yeah, I may have won the thread.

Karon wrote:Since I AM fethed in chicago, no matter how you look at it, zombie-gangsters high as a mofo roam the streets 24/7 (heh, funny, you know, chicago, guns...yeah) I won't re-think that. I would kill myself with my gun no matter what, I am not getting eaten alive, I'd rather just die and see what really happens when your dead, than to have one of the countless horrors that could happen to me in a zombie outbreak.

Yeah, I may have won the thread.

Your bitten solution (gun to the head) is not hardcore enough. One of the first thing I would make/find/acquire is a belt, put easily armed explosives on it, and if I get bit and those of us who survived are not immune, I'm "Going Nova" so to say. Go out with a bang, and take some of those sons a' bitches with me so others can get away. And I'm not a happy meal.

The problem with swords is they start getting dull after the first five or so decapitations, or are fairly heavy for hard core zombie killing (swing a bastard sword around for a few hours and you'll know what I mean). What you want is a flanged mace. Light enough to swing all day, but lacking in the 'breakable' downside to a ball bat. Axes are also good, but too heavy for "all day action".

I'd also recommend chain mail. Zombies would have a hard time biting through it. But it's also light weight compared to, say, field plate.

I believe it was Orlanth that suggested a Halberd, which is like the Mk VI pointy stick Keeps the critters out of bite range- and is alot easier to learn the basics.

I cant really support chainmail though. The extra weight is a mobility issue, and while its not as bulky as metal plate armor- it would only provide some bite protection. It wont stop the blunt trauma if a zombie grabs you, or if a couple start having a tug of war with ya Mace is a good choice though- robust, simple in use. Wont get stuck in a skull, spine or rib cage like choppin stuff can.

Alot of SCA fighters make armor out of modern materials- like plastic- which would be adequate to protect against zombie bits if it was designed/adapted with that in mind. If you really want to get crafty, titanium chainmail with some carbon fiber plates could make a suit of full plate at around 10-15 lbs.

If i can go diving in what is essentially chain mail with sharks, I'd call that pretty good protection. Zombies aren't super strong, they can't pull you in half.

Hmm...zombies. Lead a bunch into a sturdy pen and charge 5 dollars a person to see a bunch of zombies.

That or lead them into a sturdy brothel and charge 50 dollars per person to do things inside a brothel containing zombies.

I was considering a petting zoo, but only for zombies without mouths.

And if I lose a few zombies, easy to convert zombie material is always available so long as there is a surplus human population.

WarOne, for some reason, I just remembered the sheep in the brothel in Arcanum...

Hit the local DIY store and grab axes (not chainsaws) and gasoline to burn the bodies. Escape to the local shopping exchange, one route in, one route out.
Food, raw materials for barricades, furniture and electronics and if that wasn't awesome enough, the airports right beside it if everything goes up a certain creek.

Axes can be quite dangerous - if you are not careful the blade can turn and you can either thus miss, or really hurt yourself.

Plus you still have to keep them sharp.

Frazzled wrote:

CadianXV wrote:'Acquire' a truck. Drive to an armoury that I know the location of. Pick up rifles and ammo. Head to nearest supermarket to fill said truck with non-perishable supplies. Head to Army+Navy stores to pick up survival equipment.
Drive south and 'acquire' a boat of some sort (doesn't have to be huge), hopefully meeting other survivors along the way. Sail to the Isle of White. Exterminate Undead population of Isle of White. Rebuild a military society from there.
Send frequent foraging parties to the mainland to forage for supplies.

Sorted!

How do you know 5,000 people won't be trying to do the same thing?

The more the merrier! Rebuilding society is key.

Not only did it work in John Wyndham's classic, "The Day of the Triffids" (not zombies, but very similar), its also been used here:
http://www.thezombiehunters.com/index.php" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://www.thezombiehunters.com/index.php

Can people please just fill this out?

Mistress of minis wrote:

IG_urban wrote:



First off, your attitude is up here...and you need to bring it down. We can have a discussion without making ridiculous assumptions. You have no idea what I have done in my life. Literally, in a 25 miles radius from me, (Downtown Seattle), I could go to at least 7 different gun shops, and obtain an AA 12, a USAS 12, OR a Saiga, I have gone in and held them. They are expensive as bewbs. You are acting like a class 3 license is hard to obtain

And when you fly me down there, and I watch you do what you are proposing, DURING a zombie apocalypse...then I will get on board with your idea. Right now, especially after your long explanation, it sounds like a LOT of hassle for little return. Have fun. Ill be in Costco.

oh....grammar and spell check are your friend..

"
Mr. Jerry Babar, President/CEO of Military Police Systems, Inc. (MPS, Inc.) of Piney Flats, Tennessee and developer of the AA-12 Shotgun, kindly answered my questions today, 23 Feb 2009, which I transcribed (possibly with some minor errors) as follows: "[I am returning] your call about the AA-12. By the 1986 Federal law, any [machine] guns made prior to 19 May 1986 are transferable, and there are 400,000 legal machine guns in the United States. Any [machine] guns made after 19 May 1986 are not transferable to civilians and cannot be [built by or owned (inaudible)] by civilians. And in fact, if I ever get my license up, I can assure you that I can't even have them [AA-12's]. I can't keep them in stock or transfer them, or somebody will have my license. There are 19, almost 20 [AA-12] guns built right now and they are with various military operations for evaluation, and they are involved with some of the manufacture of them [AA-12's]. Watch the Military Channel in June [2009] for the new Robot video that we just did. It is a really good 20-30 minute video. It will be under the "Ultimate Weapons" program. Also, the New Yorker magazine has a six page article on us. I appreciate you for calling. Thanks alot."


That kind of makes the veracity of your claims very dubious. 19, almost 20 of them built by 2009, and you're claiming at least 7 of them are in Seattle gunshops, rather than military testing ranges. Smells like something that needs a shovel to spread about the garden. A class 3 license itself isnt that hard to obtain, but the machine gun transfer IS.

holy feth...lol, thank you.

BaronIveagh wrote:The problem with swords is they start getting dull after the first five or so decapitations, or are fairly heavy for hard core zombie killing (swing a bastard sword around for a few hours and you'll know what I mean). What you want is a flanged mace. Light enough to swing all day, but lacking in the 'breakable' downside to a ball bat. Axes are also good, but too heavy for "all day action".

Swords are optimal against low armour opponents, axes and maces were there to deal with armoured opponents and to use less iron in construction. Which swiords to choose, a machete is good its commonplace and you will know if you pick one up you likely have a servicable weapon, forget the overrated Japanese crap unless you have the specific marial art to use them properly. Given the skill a zweihander is best, its got everything you need from a melee weapon, and you can rerally cut yourself some killing room, still the zwersh' is an art wheras a polearm does the same sort of thing for less. Wonder why polearms were the standard medieval weapon? There are several good reasons but near the top are utter lethality and ease of use. Other than that axes are good, but I would go with a two handed dane axe (you could use a firemans axe in dane axe fighting style) figure of eight swing, keep the momentum and 'lawnmower' the zombies. Given no access to proper medieval weaponry I would go for a full length firemans axe. Given the choice most forms of polearm: glaive, bill, naginata or halberd preferably, or if you are lucky enough to know how to use it the zwersh, claymore or daikatana.

Maces and chain weapons are great weapons against living opponents that go down after sustaining massive taumas, as living people do, zombies however dont work that way, most of the start their attacks while under heavy trauma. 'Beating up' zombies is not a good idea.

BaronIveagh wrote:
I'd also recommend chain mail. Zombies would have a hard time biting through it. But it's also light weight compared to, say, field plate.

I entirely concur, and mentioned chainmail on my first post on this thread. Proper chainmail is hard to come by and the stuff found in castles is not survicable unlike plate, however reenactors chain is likely almost as good. Real chainmail will have sealed rivites, reebnactors chainmail does not, it is closed with a jewellers vice. This would cause problems on a battlefield, but should do well enough against zombies at least until they have you on the ground and start pulling from all directions, but by then unless rescue is very fast you are gone anyway.

Chainmail is a second skin, and there are very few gaps, and is weak only to piercing weapons. The chain stops slashing and claw attacks, padded gambeson underneath is what stops trauma. Your chain attire should ideally be head to toe medieval replaced only by a modern bike helmet for clear sealed vision and modern boots, with perhaps a duster on top.


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Mistress of minis wrote:I believe it was Orlanth that suggested a Halberd, which is like the Mk VI pointy stick Keeps the critters out of bite range- and is alot easier to learn the basics.

Yep. On top of that you can concentrate your efforts on a narrow entryway when in 'poke' mode, clear a path in 'sweep', and deal with a floored opponent decisively in 'chop'.

Mistress of minis wrote:
I cant really support chainmail though. The extra weight is a mobility issue, and while its not as bulky as metal plate armor- it would only provide some bite protection. It wont stop the blunt trauma if a zombie grabs you, or if a couple start having a tug of war with ya Mace is a good choice though- robust, simple in use. Wont get stuck in a skull, spine or rib cage like choppin stuff can.

Have you worn chainmail? Chain is like 'iron flab', it distributes its mass around the body like you put on some pounds over Christmas but did not otherwise compromise your health. With well made chain you can carry a lot of weight in armour and not notice, I have worn heavy chain 'all day' and gone about normally, you can even forget you are wearing it. Though things can be very different for ladies. Chain natruially deposits most of its weight on the hips and shoulder the rest directly on the skn surface. For ladies this also means the a heavy load on the upper halves of the breasts, which are not a load bearing surface in any normal wear outside some peoples idea of 'playtime'. In fact depending on the girl the breasts might have to take the weight of the entire front sheet of the chainmail from the armpits downwards, a good proportion of the weight of the entire armour. Sports bras might help, or a sports pectoral, or if the gambeson is also stacked to cantilever the weight back onto the shoulders where it belongs. Size A girls wont have any problems, but any girl beyond a C cup should consider wearing a cuirass instead.

Mistress of minis wrote:
Alot of SCA fighters make armor out of modern materials- like plastic- which would be adequate to protect against zombie bits if it was designed/adapted with that in mind. If you really want to get crafty, titanium chainmail with some carbon fiber plates could make a suit of full plate at around 10-15 lbs.

I have heard a lot about ultra modern mail, some of it is really good designs, others less so. But as the SCA et al are not actually trying to 'cut to the point' in their fighting the difference is not put to the test. Unless there are obvious gaps both should be good against zombies. Armet and salet might look cool, but I would still go with a bike helmet or riot police helmet though, you need to keep the infected blood spraying everywhere away from your face.

Orlanth wrote:

I entirely concur, and mentioned chainmail on my first post on this thread. Proper chainmail is hard to come by and the stuff found in castles is not survicable unlike plate, however reenactors chain is likely almost as good. Real chainmail will have sealed rivites, reebnactors chainmail does not, it is closed with a jewellers vice. This would cause problems on a battlefield, but should do well enough against zombies at least until they have you on the ground and start pulling from all directions, but by then unless rescue is very fast you are gone anyway.

Chainmail is a second skin, and there are very few gaps, and is weak only to piercing weapons. The chain stops slashing and claw attacks, padded gambeson underneath is what stops trauma. Your chain attire should ideally be head to toe medieval replaced only by a modern bike helmet for clear sealed vision and modern boots, with perhaps a duster on top.




Have you worn chainmail? Chain is like 'iron flab', it distributes its mass around the body like you put on some pounds over Christmas but did not otherwise compromise your health. With well made chain you can carry a lot of weight in armour and not notice, I have worn heavy chain 'all day' and gone about normally, you can even forget you are wearing it. Though things can be very different for ladies. Chain natruially deposits most of its weight on the hips and shoulder the rest directly on the skn surface. For ladies this also means the a heavy load on the upper halves of the breasts, which are not a load bearing surface in any normal wear outside some peoples idea of 'playtime'. In fact depending on the girl the breasts might have to take the weight of the entire front sheet of the chainmail from the armpits downwards, a good proportion of the weight of the entire armour. Sports bras might help, or a sports pectoral, or if the gambeson is also stacked to cantilever the weight back onto the shoulders where it belongs. Size A girls wont have any problems, but any girl beyond a C cup should consider wearing a cuirass instead.

1st - i trust this guy with my armor needs. But if the Zombies are diseased don't you have to worry about zombie saliva dripping into your helmet? I mean if you were able to make the armour one big set that zombies COULDN'T remove individual parts, wouldn't you have to worry about that. Although this is why I would also trust this guy, he suggested a biker helmet, preferably one that is sealed

2nd - well we'll just have to keep the ladies out of the melee now won't we


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Mistress of minis wrote:
If animals arent affected by it- could the carrion eaters still be carriers?

Isn't it possible that animals still CARRY the virus, like if a bird ate a zombie, its blood and matter will be on the bird so even though it isn't infected it could still CARRY the virus right? So that takes all scavenging animals off the food list.

I see your castle and raise you, a castle on a cliff
in my backpack i would carry water, trail mix, survival tin, three clips for the gun, gas mask and multi vitamin tablets
my attitude towards other survivors would be somewhat commisar like with a "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude
the vehicle would be used to collect food & suplies from all the shops on the royal mile incuding the GW. yey, i can carry the hobby into the new age

Haha , Nice

FM Ninja 048 wrote:I see your castle and raise you, a castle on a cliff

No difference, zombies arent into tunneling once you have your 30' or more it doesnt matter if you have Beaumaris (Edward I's incomplete masterpiece) or Tigers Nest (the castle in Bhutan built atop a very high cliff)

FM Ninja 048 wrote:
in my backpack i would carry water, trail mix, survival tin, three clips for the gun, gas mask and multi vitamin tablets

Chain mace, not good, take an axe for the close in work.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:
my attitude towards other survivors would be somewhat commisar like with a "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude

Not good, you need friends
"Observe first, avoid, ask questions or shoot later"

FM Ninja 048 wrote:
the vehicle would be used to collect food & suplies from all the shops on the royal mile incuding the GW. yey, i can carry the hobby into the new age

Good call.
Morale is important, looting a GW gives you plenty to do inside your keep that is not survival related and a distraction form the words problems. Boardgames would be the natural first step, small compact, reusable and communal; in fact they were listed as essential items, not secondary items, for people to take into bomb shelters.

Useful points i will refine my masterplan, a question though how long wolud the dakka servers be up for once the zombies hit, would we be able to comunicate through them to band together?