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The problem with swords is that it is rare to be able to get a good one - there are so many show and replica swords around.

I would go to my friends house, his dad has 30 shotguns 5 pistols 3 rifles and plenty of food storage to last 30 people a month of food, water and ammo. Trust me I helped him move all those guns in their new house

SilverMK2 wrote:The problem with swords is that it is rare to be able to get a good one - there are so many show and replica swords around.

dude take the scadian trash and sharpen it on a rock. a blade is a blade. it doesn't have to be excalibur, just a big long blade that doesn't need reloading. You could kill slow staggering zombies all day with a big piece of sharp head-chopping metal (which is also a music genre I think)

Except that most show blades are cheap crappy alloy that breaks as soon as you hit anything with it

Better off getting some metal scaffolding (or other solid, workman-like metal ), running over it a few times with a truck to make it flat and then sharpening the edges.

Swords are not pick up and swing weapons, there is an entry level skill requirement. Try a halberd instead, against slowpoke zombies reach is a good asset.



Good? bad? I am the one with +1S.

SilverMK2 wrote:Ever seen a boat that has been at sea for 20 years without any real dry-dock upkeep?

Even the best maintained machines break down eventually. I know how to get clean water for a handful of people with nothing more than a sheet of plastic and a cup of dirty water, but nothing that will clear enough water for a few thousand people packed on an aircraft carrier.

Another problem comes with supplies, overcrowding, food, etc.

With a castle there is the possibility of growing food within the walls, but nothing like that on a ship. You also have great defense against both human and zombie attackers. On a ship you may be safe from zombies, but don't think everyone won't run to the docks when they realise what is happening. Not everyone on the seas will be playing nice.

They don't have to be at sea. Stay moored in port. They are the ultimate moat scenario castle. Put someone by the anchor chain to make sure they can't come that way and you're good.


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SilverMK2 wrote:The problem with swords is that it is rare to be able to get a good one - there are so many show and replica swords around.

However many sporting goods stores have machetes for sale. They are real.

But again, Shawn of the Dead showed us the way. We don't need swords, or guns, or machetes. We only real just need a cricket bat or a nice five iron. There are five irons all over the place. : )


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Death Gear wrote:I would go to my friends house, his dad has 30 shotguns 5 pistols 3 rifles and plenty of food storage to last 30 people a month of food, water and ammo. Trust me I helped him move all those guns in their new house

Why do you think he's going to let you in?


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Guitardian wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:The problem with swords is that it is rare to be able to get a good one - there are so many show and replica swords around.

dude take the scadian trash and sharpen it on a rock. a blade is a blade. it doesn't have to be excalibur, just a big long blade that doesn't need reloading. You could kill slow staggering zombies all day with a big piece of sharp head-chopping metal (which is also a music genre I think)

Thats not quite accurate G. Usually the difficulty is one of two areas:
1) 'Cletus that ain't no steel!' Use of aluminum or cheap grade steel
2) Tang. The tang is usually insufficiently strong for a real sword and the blade will snap off with a real swing.

Also: there are old cold war bunkers all over the place, sometimes in cities, sometimes in the middle of nowhere.

That said: Remington trench broom, spas 12 with 50 round drum, or 2 TA-5 pistols with 100 round drums.

Otherwise: M1 rifle.

All of these ammo is plentiful, and are solidly built and unlikely to wear out quickly. The AK is also an option, but remember to conserve ammo with one. Having to change a clip in the middle of an assault is bad.

If you're bunkered up, just keep hitting them with molitovs/a flamethrower (I have one, and they are legal to own without a permit). You can kill quite a few with one shot and fuel is plentiful.

Shawn if the dead taught us that really all we need is the pub down the road...

Mistress of minis wrote:Mr. Jerry Babar, President/CEO of Military Police Systems, Inc. (MPS, Inc.) of Piney Flats, Tennessee and developer of the AA-12 Shotgun, kindly answered my questions today, 23 Feb 2009, which I transcribed (possibly with some minor errors) as follows: "[I am returning] your call about the AA-12. By the 1986 Federal law, any [machine] guns made prior to 19 May 1986 are transferable, and there are 400,000 legal machine guns in the United States. Any [machine] guns made after 19 May 1986 are not transferable to civilians and cannot be [built by or owned (inaudible)] by civilians. And in fact, if I ever get my license up, I can assure you that I can't even have them [AA-12's]. I can't keep them in stock or transfer them, or somebody will have my license. There are 19, almost 20 [AA-12] guns built right now and they are with various military operations for evaluation, and they are involved with some of the manufacture of them [AA-12's]. Watch the Military Channel in June [2009] for the new Robot video that we just did. It is a really good 20-30 minute video. It will be under the "Ultimate Weapons" program. Also, the New Yorker magazine has a six page article on us. I appreciate you for calling. Thanks alot."
That kind of makes the veracity of your claims very dubious. 19, almost 20 of them built by 2009, and you're claiming at least 7 of them are in Seattle gunshops, rather than military testing ranges. Smells like something that needs a shovel to spread about the garden. A class 3 license itself isnt that hard to obtain, but the machine gun transfer IS.

1. it's really sad that you went to those lengths to prove your point. you can't be wrong, huh? have to have the last word?...typicial.


2. I am probably wrong on which model I was holding, so I will give you that. But there are a number of auto 12 models around. I was probably lost in the awe of holding an auto shoty and then my brain made the correlation between that and the AA 12 in my head movies because I play too much MW2. But I DID say an AA 12, SAIGA, or USAS......are you one of those people who doesnt listen (read), because you are too concerned with being right and what you are going to say next? I never implied that there were 7 AA 12s.


3. your prison idea is still gak.








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AndrewC wrote:

IG_urban wrote:
Too much wall to defend, in a swarm situation, even the slowest, dumbest zombies could climb on top of each other over those walls. More people to guard the walls means more people to betray you and possibly to go bat gak crazy.

For the purposes of argument I'm going for the classic shambling zombie here.

Zombies aren't/don't seem capable of cooperation to any extent so the idea that they will perform a circus act to raise some of their number to a point above a castle wall seems a little ridiculous (almost as bad as the thought of a zombie plague, but not as much fun). I would rather have a 6 to 12' thick stone wall to protect me compared to a singe concrete breeze block. Also, consider, your problems are not solely related to the undead. Referring back to the second of Romeros films, a determined human foe is going to go through your walls with minmal thought. From the pictures I can source for Costco it seems to be a steel frame construction with 'filler' walls. It also seems to have a 'no walk' roof.

In the short term, the Costco idea has lots going for it. Food & supplies.
Long term, it's is a box that requires electricity and modern amienities (eg sewers & running water) to function, no fall back bastions, no natural lighting, and no way of self support in the long term. It is not designed to house large numbers of people permanently. The roof is a liability as should the zombies get onto the roof they will simply fall through into the shop below.

Now compare.

In the short term a castle has little to recommend. There will be an effort required to initially secure it, and unless there is a cafe or such little supplies.
Long term, it is a construction of proven durability, designed with the express purpose of keeping people out, dead or alive. There will in all likelyhood be a spring or well within the walls to provide water and has considerable space to either keep livestock or grow food. It is not designed to rely on modern amienities. The castle can become self sufficient after a time. It is designed to house large numbers of people. Should the worst come to the worst there are fall back positions to consolidate to and perhaps attack back from.

Its apples and oranges.
Are you preparing short term or long term? Me, I'd rather think long term.

Cheers

Andrew

PS want an ideal place to stay, google Fort George, Scotland and have a look at the satellite plan. Okay you need a few bodies to secure it, but once you have......

I don't have castles man. and costco is fething HUUUUGE...and there is so so so so so much perishable and non perishable food.....

remember when I said I wasted hours on this idea?....well...I used to smoke a lot of weed....and this was one of our main brainstorms. we went as far as touring a costco and facilities. the roof is totally walkable, the walls are about 3 feet thick, reinforced with steel.

drinking water? there are at least 50 pallets containing 20 water cooler sized bottles. this is not counting the countless water bottles both small medium and large. also, yard waste bins, huge mixing containers from the kitchen, garbage cans (both the ones for sale and the ones in the place) to be filled with water while the water is still running...plus, I live in seattle, man....the rainiest place in the USA...it seems. we get rain the majority of the year.

my party would have no more than 6 people...

my party is also full of city living, ron paul, supporting gun collectors. we all know how to shoot, we paintball and go shooting weekly (when possible). We all have stores of ammo and weapons. any "determined" human foe is getting two in the chest and one in the head, no questions asked.

I am in class, but I will be more than happy to type out my complete plan tonight....my friend is a literal certified genius. I am (despite how fast and inaccurately I may type, or how hot headed I may get on here, and how I am 23 and sometimes, not as often as a few years ago, but still, I don't think about things before I say them) pretty dang myself. We have run hundreds of scenarios. We have thought up everything that we could conceive, and are intelligent enough to adapt to un-thought-of-situations.

IG_urban wrote:
I don't have castles man. and costco is fething HUUUUGE...and there is so so so so so much perishable and non perishable food.....

remember when I said I wasted hours on this idea?....well...I used to smoke a lot of weed....and this was one of our main brainstorms. we went as far as touring a costco and facilities. the roof is totally walkable, the walls are about 3 feet thick, reinforced with steel.

i think you are overestimating the thickness/construction of the the walls as well as the roof. All the pictures I could source showed a steel girder frame construction with filler walls on the side, the roof was of open frame construction with no internal supports, which while having walkable portions is not completely safe. And I seriously doubt that Costco wuld let you walk over it to test the load points.

drinking water? there are at least 50 pallets containing 20 water cooler sized bottles. this is not counting the countless water bottles both small medium and large. also, yard waste bins, huge mixing containers from the kitchen, garbage cans (both the ones for sale and the ones in the place) to be filled with water while the water is still running...plus, I live in seattle, man....the rainiest place in the USA...it seems. we get rain the majority of the year.

my party would have no more than 6 people...

with an average usage of 60 to 90 litres a day you're going to run out quicker than you think.

my party is also full of city living, ron paul, supporting gun collectors. we all know how to shoot, we paintball and go shooting weekly (when possible). We all have stores of ammo and weapons. any "determined" human foe is getting two in the chest and one in the head, no questions asked.

I am in class, but I will be more than happy to type out my complete plan tonight....my friend is a literal certified genius. I am (despite how fast and inaccurately I may type, or how hot headed I may get on here, and how I am 23 and sometimes, not as often as a few years ago, but still, I don't think about things before I say them) pretty dang myself. We have run hundreds of scenarios. We have thought up everything that we could conceive, and are intelligent enough to adapt to un-thought-of-situations.

And so is every other person in Seattle. If it ever did happen, you and everyone else is going to be running to the same place. Look at all the panic buying that happens whenever something unforseen happens, first place that gets hit is the stores. And if the Army, police or National Guard decide they want Costco, you're not holding on to it.

Please don't take this the wrong way, you claim you and your friend are both either genius or extremely intelligent, but you both failed to take into one consideration, your plan may be horribly wrong, so claiming that it is foolproof is very stupid. We all make mistakes. Case in point, and could be said a cheap one, if you, a self confessed gun collector, can misidentify a shotgun you claim to have held, what else have you got wrong?

Cheers

Andrew

I think I'll be sleeping with the light on tonight....

Guitardian wrote:Loot the local pawn shop for a sword. Swords don't run out of ammo like shotguns, don't run out of fuel like chainsaws, and decapitate much easier than a ball bat. Swords are the answer to zombies. Trust me... I've dealt with it a couple of times before, and my wakazashi is never far from my bed nowadays. Maybe I'm NUTS or maybe I'm PREPARED! that's for cops to figure out... if they survive the next outbreak.


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we get them here a lot, almost as often as tornados... just go to walmart and take a look around you'll see what I'm talking about... They're EVERYWHERE, just waiting, eating, growing, shuffling around.... so yeah get a good sword and you'll be fine

.....its people like you that I'd want in my survivor party

AndrewC wrote:
i think you are overestimating the thickness/construction of the the walls as well as the roof. All the pictures I could source showed a steel girder frame construction with filler walls on the side, the roof was of open frame construction with no internal supports, which while having walkable portions is not completely safe. And I seriously doubt that Costco wuld let you walk over it to test the load points.

Well considering each costco is built differently, and you are looking at images on the internet, you really have no idea what you are talking about. Well I was up on the roof for about 20 minutes. I didn't run the gauntlet of scientific load bearing tests....but who gives a gak? What am I storing up there....elephants and tanks?

AndrewC wrote:with an average usage of 60 to 90 litres a day you're going to run out quicker than you think.

why the hell would I be using that much water?....seriously? in a zombie situation I would sponge bathe every couple of days, be drinking AT MOST a litre of water per day, x 6.

AndrewC wrote:And so is every other person in Seattle. If it ever did happen, you and everyone else is going to be running to the same place. Look at all the panic buying that happens whenever something unforseen happens, first place that gets hit is the stores. And if the Army, police or National Guard decide they want Costco, you're not holding on to it.

really? really? have you ever been to Seattle? Let alone the US? We are one of the most liberal democratic areas...people are so ridiculously gun-scared here. Please, do not argue if you have nothing to base it off of.

oh and I cut off some of your quote, but as far as people in costco, 6 heavily armed people could clear it out pretty quick (hence the gun fear). Besides, I live 10 minutes from a costco. And while everybody else is gathering their airlooms and supplies and getting eatn, I will make my way there with my 4runner.

We have Bangor Naval Base, McChord Airforce Base, and Fort Lewis within 100 miles....the armed forces are not going to need a costco....these bases are so huge....to give an idea, Bangor has a very large percentage of the total number of nuclear subs our navy has. McChord is massive. Just down the road from downtown seattle we have a HUGE natl guard/army storage plant with a large number of combat/supplie/armored vehicles...and that isn't even a base.

in fact...here...

Army

* Yakima Firing Center
* Fort Lewis

Navy & Marine Corps

* Puget Sound Naval Shipyard
* Everett Naval Station
* Naval Station Bremerton
* Naval Underwater Warfare Engineering Station
* Whidbey Island Naval Air Station
* Naval Strategic Weapon Fac Pac
* Bangor Naval Submarine Base

Air Force

* Fairchild AFB
* McChord AFB

Coast Guard

* Thirteenth Coast Guard District
* Group Port Angeles
* Group Seattle
* Marine Safety Office Puget Sound
* Air Station Port Angeles
* National MotorLifeboat School
* Vessel Traffic Puget Sound

Personnel Totals

* Army 17,367
* Navy & Marine Corps 7,751
* Air Force 7,280
* Coast Guard 2,112
* Active Duty Military 32,398
* Reserve and National Guard 31,105
* Total Personnel 65,615

they don't need a costco.

AndrewC wrote:Please don't take this the wrong way, you claim you and your friend are both either genius or extremely intelligent, but you both failed to take into one consideration, your plan may be horribly wrong, so claiming that it is foolproof is very stupid. We all make mistakes. Case in point, and could be said a cheap one, if you, a self confessed gun collector, can misidentify a shotgun you claim to have held, what else have you got wrong?

Cheers

Andrew

I think I'll be sleeping with the light on tonight....

Misidentifying a class III non-civilian full auto shotgun and owning WWII rifles, an AK47 an SKS (which count as curio and relic by law) and Mossberg 500 and a few handguns are very different things.

I don't really like your confrontational attitude, my friend. But, whatever. It's the internets.


Please, IM me, try to find holes in my plan...it's not perfect, but I guarantee you that I have thought about it extensively.

IG_urban wrote:

1. it's really sad that you went to those lengths to prove your point. you can't be wrong, huh? have to have the last word?...typicial.


2. I am probably wrong on which model I was holding, so I will give you that. But there are a number of auto 12 models around. I was probably lost in the awe of holding an auto shoty and then my brain made the correlation between that and the AA 12 in my head movies because I play too much MW2. But I DID say an AA 12, SAIGA, or USAS......are you one of those people who doesnt listen (read), because you are too concerned with being right and what you are going to say next? I never implied that there were 7 AA 12s.


3. your prison idea is still gak.

1- It didnt take any great lengths- I follow weapons development for revolutionary weapon designs like the AA-12 and Kriss SMG. So it took all of 30 seconds to find that little note in my email archive.

2- You made bogus claims that you could get one at an AA-12 of several Seattle area gunstores- if you want to waffle over semantics so you dont look like you were full of crap or slowed- thats your prerogative. If you cant tell the difference between an AA-12, a USAS 12, or a Saiga- you have bigger issues than me calling your crap online. Theres a big difference to handling these weapons IRL than runnin around in an FPS acting like you're a commando. I realize this is tempered with the flex in reality of zombies, but when you make claims of facts- that are based on something in our reality- dont get offended when someone lets you know you arent right. FYI, the USAS 12 were never commercially available in the US(class 3 destructive device), so just like the AA-12, not something that sits on a gun store shelf.

3- Youre planning on holing up in a Costco-With no power, you have no water. With no power all that frozen and refrigerated food is going to rot. You wont be able to eat a few thousands pounds of produce and meat before that happens, or drink several hundred gallons of milk. No ventilation to get that stink out- its going to smell worse than the zombies in there in short order. The building is too big to adequately defend because its not designed for it. No clear fields of fire, multiple points of entry and about half the time the building is flammable(and wont have working sprinklers). So, just keep callin my idea gak if it makes you feel better

IG_urban wrote:

remember when I said I wasted hours on this idea?....well...I used to smoke a lot of weed....

It shows.

IG_urban wrote:
my party would have no more than 6 people...

That sounds just like every D&D game thats gone bad...

IG_urban wrote:
my party is also full of city living, ron paul, supporting gun collectors. we all know how to shoot, we paintball and go shooting weekly (when possible). We all have stores of ammo and weapons. any "determined" human foe is getting two in the chest and one in the head, no questions asked.

A 'determined' human foe may have 20 freinds that all know how to shoot too. 6 people is NOT enough to secure a building that covers on average 100,000 square feet.

IG_urban wrote:
I am in class, but I will be more than happy to type out my complete plan tonight....my friend is a literal certified genius. I am (despite how fast and inaccurately I may type, or how hot headed I may get on here, and how I am 23 and sometimes, not as often as a few years ago, but still, I don't think about things before I say them) pretty dang myself. We have run hundreds of scenarios. We have thought up everything that we could conceive, and are intelligent enough to adapt to un-thought-of-situations.

Your freind may be a genius, and your local gunstore might stock AA-12's and USAS 12's on the racks next to the Bolters and Plasmaguns. But what it boils down to, is you THINK your plan is perfect and therefore everyone elses must suck. You dont get it. People have different skills and knowledge- yours makes you think a costco is a fort with a lifetime supply of food. You instantly dismiss everyone elses ideas, which is pure ignorance. 'Adapting to un-thought-of-situations' means keeping an OPEN mind, accepting that there are better ideas- taking the parts that are better and making them fit with your skillset and knowledge.

Okay compare this

IG_urban wrote:

Please, IM me, try to find holes in my plan...it's not perfect, but I guarantee you that I have thought about it extensively.

With this

IG_urban wrote:
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my costco plan is failsafe against all types of zombies as well.

At least now you accept that there may be holes in your plan. And according to you, you are the only people in Seattle who own guns? As to the authorities wanting Costco, it's called fair division of supplies, they seize it to distribute to others.

IG, I'm not doubting you've thought that plan through but you've dismissed all other options as non viable and been quite rude and abrupt in some of your posts. Confrontational, pot & kettle spring to mind here.

Cheers

Andrew

AndrewC wrote:
At least now you accept that there may be holes in your plan. And according to you, you are the only people in Seattle who own guns? As to the authorities wanting Costco, it's called fair division of supplies, they seize it to distribute to others.

IG, I'm not doubting you've thought that plan through but you've dismissed all other options as non viable and been quite rude and abrupt in some of your posts. Confrontational, pot & kettle spring to mind here.

Cheers

Andrew

Oh come on Andrew, he obviously knows everything, we should be hoping he lets us be one of the 6 in his party at his Costco citadel that has 3 foot thick walls. With his vast experience in his 23 years of playing video games while smoking weed with his certifiable genius friend, he obviously has the 'right stuff' to stop the zombie menace.

Mistress of minis wrote:Oh come on Andrew, he obviously knows everything, we should be hoping he lets us be one of the 6 in his party at his Costco citadel that has 3 foot thick walls. With his vast experience in his 23 years of playing video games while smoking weed with his certifiable genius friend, he obviously has the 'right stuff' to stop the zombie menace.

Sorry, I'm heading to Fort George hoping the 3rd Black Watch will let me in.

As an aside, I was in the local "Pound Shop" (a place where everything costs a pound) and found a farmers guide to crop rotation and a full aisle of kiddies grow your own veggies packs. Since the BBC "Survivors" is more likely than "Zombie Apocalyps" I now know where I'm heading first

Andrew

Could we please stop the fighting? I understand where mistress of minis is coming from with her arguement, but the way you are going about it is a little inflammatory which could result in the thread being closed.

Ig Urban has admitted to his mistakes over handling weapons, and we seem to be able to spot the holes in his plan when he can't. Let's try and do it a bit nicer tho?

And dude, admitting that you came up with this idea while smoking weed is like convincing your girl to do a position cause oyu saw it in porn.

Not exactly helping you out.

if you wish to continue this conversation debating each others plan, choice of weaponry, etc etc, I ask that you then please do so over pm.

Mistress of minis wrote:Oh come on Andrew, he obviously knows everything, we should be hoping he lets us be one of the 6 in his party at his Costco citadel that has 3 foot thick walls. With his vast experience in his 23 years of playing video games while smoking weed with his certifiable genius friend, he obviously has the 'right stuff' to stop the zombie menace.

Well... if this was Shawn of the Dead... I suppose so...

I'll stick to my plan involving blast doors that can withstand a 5 megaton direct hit. I think that will keep the zombies out fairly well.

Costco is a really bad idea simply because everyone and their brother will run there for supplies, which you will quickly run out of.

And remember, the government subscribes to the idea of 'Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure' when it comes to the big 'Z'.

AndrewC wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:Oh come on Andrew, he obviously knows everything, we should be hoping he lets us be one of the 6 in his party at his Costco citadel that has 3 foot thick walls. With his vast experience in his 23 years of playing video games while smoking weed with his certifiable genius friend, he obviously has the 'right stuff' to stop the zombie menace.

Sorry, I'm heading to Fort George hoping the 3rd Black Watch will let me in.

As an aside, I was in the local "Pound Shop" (a place where everything costs a pound) and found a farmers guide to crop rotation and a full aisle of kiddies grow your own veggies packs. Since the BBC "Survivors" is more likely than "Zombie Apocalyps" I now know where I'm heading first

Andrew

Funny how so few people plan past hoarding some ammo and cans of tuna. I hate gardening, so I'd have to get me some serfs & peasants to herd my goats and grow the veggies

Wife and two kids here, I have to plan ahead.

Good night all.

Andrew

And I'm still sleeping with the light on it may sound funny but the idea of zombies scares the crap out of me. Seriously. No joke. Never got over seeing the first Romero film.

Mistress of minis wrote:1- It didnt take any great lengths- I follow weapons development for revolutionary weapon designs like the AA-12 and Kriss SMG. So it took all of 30 seconds to find that little note in my email archive.

bs.

Mistress of minis wrote:2- You made bogus claims that you could get one at an AA-12 of several Seattle area gunstores- if you want to waffle over semantics so you dont look like you were full of crap or slowed- thats your prerogative. If you cant tell the difference between an AA-12, a USAS 12, or a Saiga- you have bigger issues than me calling your crap online. Theres a big difference to handling these weapons IRL than runnin around in an FPS acting like you're a commando. I realize this is tempered with the flex in reality of zombies, but when you make claims of facts- that are based on something in our reality- dont get offended when someone lets you know you arent right. FYI, the USAS 12 were never commercially available in the US(class 3 destructive device), so just like the AA-12, not something that sits on a gun store shelf.

It's not a bogus claim. Stop.

It's not waffling, you absorbed a very vague and loose translation of what I said. And judging by the rest of your post, you barely read any of it.

I am not saying I went to the gun store yesterday and I go every day. These things happened at different intervals in time, and I was merely stating that I may have remembered it wrong. So ease off the b switch, please.

Yeah, and drugs are not commercially available in the US either. The street sweeper, I believe, is also a class III DD, but they used to be sold in the back of soldier of fortune magazine, and if you bought it before the ban its yours legally. Which means a gunshop could EASILY have one, or a USAS on display. Which is why I have seen one before. Just because you have not seen something, does not mean it does not exist. Also, I never said that I could purchase one. I said I could possibly obtain one, in the event of the ZA.

Mistress of minis wrote:3- Youre planning on holing up in a Costco-With no power, you have no water. With no power all that frozen and refrigerated food is going to rot. You wont be able to eat a few thousands pounds of produce and meat before that happens, or drink several hundred gallons of milk. No ventilation to get that stink out- its going to smell worse than the zombies in there in short order. The building is too big to adequately defend because its not designed for it. No clear fields of fire, multiple points of entry and about half the time the building is flammable(and wont have working sprinklers). So, just keep callin my idea gak if it makes you feel better

Costco has thousands of pound of canned vegetables and fruit and nuts. which, last time a checked, last a REAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLY long time. also, vacume sealers, which, untill the power gets switched off, I can seal perishable food. yes, frozen and refrigerated and a lot of perishable food will go bad...never said it wouldn't. There is plenty of ventilation. Not to mention the 100+ gallons of reserve fuel for the stores generators which switch on in the event of a power outage to keep the food from going bad. AND the HUGE propane tanks they sell with BBqs, and the propane refilling station in the store, and the the thousands of batteries of the AA AAA C D DD etc variety. I am not an idiot, Im not going to blow the place up. jesus. I don't need sprinklers. The building is made out of metal and concrete, the shelves are made out of metal, the roof is made out of metal, the floor is concrete. it's not going to catch on fire easily.

READ POSTS BEFORE YOU RESPOND!!!!!!! there are at any given time, 5 forklifts meant for lifting thousands of pounds in a costco. take the freezer boxes, which are about 12 feet high, 20 feet long, and who knows how heavy, and place them in front of the metal sliding doors. do the same with all other doors. they can be moved if needed. there are welding supplies in a costco, weld all of the doors shut, reinforce them with peices from the shelves. I can tig and mig weld, anything else I could figure out.

and I am just going to let the food sit and rot?....piss no, I have nothing else to do...I'll bring it out on the roof and throw it over the side.

your plan is gak, and you are a venomous, nasty, person with a daunting need to be right. and it makes me feel GRRRRRRREAT! to say so.

AndrewC wrote:Okay compare this

IG_urban wrote:

Please, IM me, try to find holes in my plan...it's not perfect, but I guarantee you that I have thought about it extensively.

With this

IG_urban wrote:
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my costco plan is failsafe against all types of zombies as well.

yes, I know. I said it is failsafe against all zombie types, not all problems. not the same thing, thank you, come again. at another point in this thread I said it is fool-proof...because I am not an idiot.

AndrewC wrote:At least now you accept that there may be holes in your plan. And according to you, you are the only people in Seattle who own guns? As to the authorities wanting Costco, it's called fair division of supplies, they seize it to distribute to others.

No, we are not the only people...but the majority of the owners have a handgun or shotgun with a box of ammo maybe, and the ones with more are not going to be going to a downtown costco, let alone be anywhere near one...most of theme are on the other side of the mountains in eastern WA. AND IF the military comes....I will cooperate. and insist on riding in a tank, and them letting me keep my guns. in that situation, I bet they would...if not...at least I will be in a tank. if they want to send me to a FEMA camp, I will run. My guess is, that they will be too busy securing VIPS and fighting off the hoards. maybe after a few weeks they might, but by that time, it will be safer to move about. the zombies will have spread out more.

AndrewC wrote:IG, I'm not doubting you've thought that plan through but you've dismissed all other options as non viable and been quite rude and abrupt in some of your posts. Confrontational, pot & kettle spring to mind here.

Cheers

Andrew

I fight fire with fire, me boyo. I have tried to be nice, but certain people just need to be right and/or started off nasty.

and I have only dismissed 2 ideas. the prison idea and the castle idea.....

oh wait, and GES' hide in the house idea.

the castle idea has its charms, I will admit now....but there are no castles around here. and I would rather be in costco.


[figurative]I am the pot...and I am black...and so is the kettle....neither one is better than the other. the kettle just needs to realize this, too...[/figurative]

I haven't followed the entire fight...but....reading this.....IG_Urban.

This is endgame my friend....I'm sorry to say but she burned you so bad that I have 3rd degree burns from reading it.......acceptance of defeat is your only option

PS: Damn Mistriss.....Damn....that was epic burnage......but you made me laugh when you said "AA-12's and USA 12's on the racks next to the Bolters and Plasmaguns"

Mistress of minis wrote:Oh come on Andrew, he obviously knows everything, we should be hoping he lets us be one of the 6 in his party at his Costco citadel that has 3 foot thick walls. With his vast experience in his 23 years of playing video games while smoking weed with his certifiable genius friend, he obviously has the 'right stuff' to stop the zombie menace.

now you are crossing the line. piss off.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Could we please stop the fighting? I understand where mistress of minis is coming from with her arguement, but the way you are going about it is a little inflammatory which could result in the thread being closed.

Ig Urban has admitted to his mistakes over handling weapons, and we seem to be able to spot the holes in his plan when he can't. Let's try and do it a bit nicer tho?

And dude, admitting that you came up with this idea while smoking weed is like convincing your girl to do a position cause oyu saw it in porn.

Not exactly helping you out.

if you wish to continue this conversation debating each others plan, choice of weaponry, etc etc, I ask that you then please do so over pm.

I think you need to smoke more weed. There have been many great ideas thought of whilst smoking weed.

I admitted mistakes in handling 1 type of weapon...and I have invited, NUMEROUS times for people to IM me about holes in my plan....and I have been addressing each one that has been brought to the table, all the while dealing with people being nasty.



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Commissar NIkev wrote:
I haven't followed the entire fight...but....reading this.....IG_Urban.

This is endgame my friend....I'm sorry to say but she burned you so bad that I have 3rd degree burns from reading it.......acceptance of defeat is your only option

PS: Damn Mistriss.....Damn....that was epic burnage......but you made me laugh when you said "AA-12's and USA 12's on the racks next to the Bolters and Plasmaguns"

no, not really.

IG_urban wrote:

Costco has thousands of pound of canned vegetables and fruit and nuts. which, last time a checked, last a REAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLY long time. also, vacume sealers, which, untill the power gets switched off, I can seal perishable food. yes, frozen and refrigerated and a lot of perishable food will go bad...never said it wouldn't. There is plenty of ventilation. Not to mention the 100+ gallons of reserve fuel for the stores generators which switch on in the event of a power outage to keep the food from going bad. AND the HUGE propane tanks they sell with BBqs, and the propane refilling station in the store, and the the thousands of batteries of the AA AAA C D DD etc variety. I am not an idiot, Im not going to blow the place up. jesus. I don't need sprinklers. The building is made out of metal and concrete, the shelves are made out of metal, the roof is made out of metal, the floor is concrete. it's not going to catch on fire easily.

Dude....but if you only have like 6 people that be A LOT of work. I've never been in a Costco but I've read about how large you guys said it was.....there is just no way 6 people can do that in time. Survivors may come in or Zombies may venture in because of your scent.... Plus you'd all be so busy watching your backs that you'd barely get any work done....


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IG_urban wrote:
no, not really.

I must say yes.
...you know......you could just leave this thread if you're going to tell people to piss off.....If this really makes you that mad.....you don't have to be on this site you know. Thought someone as apparently smart as you would think of that by now.

Mistress of minis wrote:
1- It didnt take any great lengths- I follow weapons development for revolutionary weapon designs like the AA-12 and Kriss SMG. So it took all of 30 seconds to find that little note in my email archive.

Mistress of minis wrote:Mr. Jerry Babar, President/CEO of Military Police Systems, Inc. (MPS, Inc.) of Piney Flats, Tennessee and developer of the AA-12 Shotgun, kindly answered my questions today, 23 Feb 2009, which I transcribed (possibly with some minor errors)

transcribe means that it came from audio.....why not just copy and past the email? Oh, and you also said "inaudible" in that same post..implying you probably called and left a message in a failed attempt to "burn" me for this topic.

Mistress of minis wrote:Your freind may be a genius, and your local gunstore might stock AA-12's and USAS 12's on the racks next to the Bolters and Plasmaguns. But what it boils down to, is you THINK your plan is perfect and therefore everyone elses must suck. You dont get it. People have different skills and knowledge- yours makes you think a costco is a fort with a lifetime supply of food. You instantly dismiss everyone elses ideas, which is pure ignorance. 'Adapting to un-thought-of-situations' means keeping an OPEN mind, accepting that there are better ideas- taking the parts that are better and making them fit with your skillset and knowledge.

no the only plans I have said anything about were the castle and your prison (and GES's). I have gone back and admitted that I was wrong a number of times, wheres you just turned on your b switch as soon as I had issues with your plan. because you have to be right.



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Commissar NIkev wrote:I must say yes.
...you know......you could just leave this thread if you're going to tell people to piss off.....If this really makes you that mad.....you don't have to be on this site you know. Thought someone as apparently smart as you would think of that by now.

stop being a troll. mistress is being needlessly nasty....I will not tolerate that. I cannot stand people making idiotic assumptions about my life based on a few lines of text...typical ignorance.

IG_urban, I regret to inform you that you are 100% failed to provide a viable survive the zombie plague plan. This is because by standing around arguing loudly you have attracted some zombies. It is a pity you and those you are having a slagging match with were too busy comparing weapon stats to notice the shuffling noises from all around until way too late.

You have been bitten, game over.

1) Find an army base
2) Grab guns, nades, RPGs, etc.
3) Grab APC
4) GET TO DA CHOPPA!

IG_urban wrote:
stop being a troll. mistress is being needlessly nasty....I will not tolerate that. I cannot stand people making idiotic assumptions about my life based on a few lines of text...typical ignorance.

Okay....I am not like 10 meters tall and stomp around the world smashing things and bashing stuff with a club......thats just ridiculous. But dude, you said you smoked weed and made these plans. Its obvious that you're plan will have many many holes and mistakes when you plan it when your high on that Mary-Jane.

But yea.....I'm going to do what you should have done when you got 'mad', I'm signing off for now.

Orlanth wrote:IG_urban, I regret to inform you that you are 100% failed to provide a viable survive the zombie plague plan. This is because by standing around arguing loudly you have attracted some zombies. It is a pity you and those you are having a slagging match with were too busy comparing weapon stats to notice the shuffling noises from all around until way too late.

You have been bitten, game over.

nice. you win.





I wash my hands of this thread. unless its OT.

Orlanth wrote:IG_urban, I regret to inform you that you are 100% failed to provide a viable survive the zombie plague plan. This is because by standing around arguing loudly you have attracted some zombies. It is a pity you and those you are having a slagging match with were too busy comparing weapon stats to notice the shuffling noises from all around until way too late.

You have been bitten, game over.

Awe.......Darn........Wait....DO I have time to shoot myself so I don't attack anybody else? If so, I'll do that so I don't become a possible doom for anyone else.


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Brunius wrote:1) Find an army base
2) Grab guns, nades, RPGs, etc.
3) Grab APC
4) GET TO DA CHOPPA!

nice