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I trust your judgement on it, Black. You are WAY better at judging that sort of thing than I......

I think, IMO, that they are just right, however, if not you can always adjust the size and proportionality of the rest of the Warlord to compensate....

Even if you do have to adjust those things, I wouldn't think any such adjustment would be so major that it would affect the overall look, do you?

The_Blackadder wrote:A pal nut is a low profile nut usually used to lock a standard nut. Cheap ones are also called 'single thread nuts' and are stamped out of sheet metal but I mean to make my own (if I can't buy them) with two to three threads by grinding down a standard nut to 2.0 to 3.0 mm and secure it into the styrene in hex shaped recesses.

That sounds awesome.

The_Blackadder wrote:Yeah but are these feet too damned big? Compared to Arethusa?

Good God, I typed in 'Arethusa Baneblade' into goolge search and my stuff dominated the image results! Hope FW doesn't see that.

Ha, nice.


I agree that the foot as it looks in your set-up looks too big. I think it's an easy salvage as you should be able to just trim 3cm or so of the inside-pulling all the toes in a bit.

How difficult would it be to mock up the lower leg for perspectives sake to get a better idea?

maybe just one leg....


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And as far as dominating a google search: thats what you get for being so darn good......

Must be the time change but reading some of the posts on the other fora is/are certainly a downer. "probably won't finish it." "Too much work." "Wait for FW to put one out."; yeah right like I've got a thousand bucks to drop on a hunk of resin. Besides why should I pay for the privilege of correcting someone else's mistakes.

Closer to home gad even Jabba thinks my feet are too big

Well I finished all the basic toes and suspended my printout above the feet and Damn me it looks right. The Greaves still have the side frames to be added and once the body is bulked up I think you would want a good solid base to stand on.

I was just flabbergasted at that image search and had to comment on it not to be searching for any accolades.

Accolades where they are due, though, Black. And I think you are right about their size. A monstor this size would require a hefty feet anyway.....


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I hadn't bothered printing you front template but as i see it is scale so I follow along a bit with you on this. I hope you don't mind.....

Nothing like learning from a mentor in real time over many hundreds of miles.....

This will be enough for today. The toes on this beastie are a snap compared to the Warhound. I'm going to be hard pressed to add any unique features. I've gone from worrying that the feet are too big to now I'm concerned that they might not be big enough!

Anyway I started detailing the diagonal toes, note the rounded edges which add a nice touch. I ran out of 1 X 2MM strips so I can't finish the top toe detail. Have to make a shopping list.

I was just going off of your desire to mimic the Titan on page one. I'm not being negative or anything, but if you compare the size relative to the Baneblade your using verses the Leman Russ'.... Just seems a bit big. Yeah, looks fine when you put your paper mock-up as a stand in. I believe you will finish it. The only thing that holds people back in completing projects is money, time & interest. I would put money on you completing this.

If you look to the far right of the aerial view and the front view there is one of those plastic Baneblades. It's a little closer to the foreground so the foot pad looks a tad smaller but actually as large as the Baneblade.

Of course, totally missed the Baneblade in that photo.

I know I'm gonna reap a lot of flack for ignoring the T'hawk but I'm on a roll with this project and will ride it for all it's worth.

This new enthusiasm is refreshing as working on the T'hawk was becoming tedious but already I'm looking at it with fresh ideas

The toes of Chrysagon coming along nicely an if I have to make the body a few inches taller so be it.

Dude, don't sweat it. If the build is good, and we all know it will be, then no one will complain.....

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE IGNORE THE T-HAWK! Seriously, who could complain? You're an artist, you can't be caged. Would it be a bit much to ask if you could keep a figure in the back ground to give scale reference when possible?

That would be a huge help......

I'v got to get a figure from my son I'll post with it tomorrow.

Meanwhile:

I've also been in the process of building a structurally sound Warlord Titan recently, and thought this schematic I completed recently might be helpful. You could replace the piston with ones that have ball joints at the end as well, the kind in the picture are just easier to manipulate in Google Sketchup. The disc is upside down in the picture, it sits in the bowl shaped recess in the middle of the foot and attaches to the pistons via the pegs.

Thanks, That's a very interesting set of drawings and are very much in accord with that which I envision although where you have the diagonal pads movable I perceive them to be stabilizers** at the most very limited in movement.

The side and front/back pads replicate the mechanics of bipedal walking. The front pads being that which imparts the pressure to propel the foot and lower leg forward (much the same as our toe function and eliminating the comical gait of 'ASIMO' which because it has no functional toes walks like it has a full nappy/diaper.)

The side pads to allow for variations in terrain and steering, the rear pads to absorb the shock of the step and mimicking the front action when the machine is stepping backwards.

The three toe-like devices front and back would perform subtle movements and move independently on account of terrain variation. Having toes on the front and back of the feet are an innovative step (groan) and a big improvement on our evolved natural foot although had we evolved a foot of that sort shoes would be ludicrous in size and shape and driving an automobile would be a much more complex affair.

I also have given some thought to the disc above the toes and that having two axises for front and back and side to side tilting for steering and varied terrain stabilization performing the ankle function of our own foot which is similar in construction.

There will be a fore to aft axle below the disc not a gymbal as you have in Lucie which may be adequate for a relatively lighter vehicle but a weak attachment for a monstrous entity such as a warlord.

Above the disc the attachment of the lower leg will be to attached to a semicircular gear duplicating the upper ankle process and the stepping mechanics.

**These stabilizers are cut out on my model to allow the F/B-S/S walking pads a full hinge point where they attach to the main foot plate, a much stronger connection point in my estimation.

All this proves The Black Adder has devoted an inordinate amount of thought to this and is thoroughly around the bend and really needs to consider doing some serious shagging.

BTW I came across this interesting structure whilst searching for a word for 'semicircle' in the vein of quadrant, sextent, octant etc

Black, I understand your thought process on the foot .

Silentexile, I can see some structural weakness in your design. The placement of the connection points on those pistons seems as if there would be very little leverage for them to exert any measurable force on the pad for a leg of the size we are talking about. The angle of attachment seems like it could stand to be much more sharply angled in order to provide better stability. Even if the piston is nothing more than a shock absorber, IMHO (which Black knows I consider to be very engineering -ly inadequate) than I think that a heavy duty Spring or Leaf Spring system would be more appropriate in that set up. A strong enough spring shock system could actually lessen the amount of power the gearing in the foot would require, I would think, and act as an auto level of sorts.....

Mine is a very uneducated opinion, Just looking at it from a common sense, backyard mechanic point of view.....

Plodding along as is my wont I successfully attached the step pyramid style ends of the toes this morning which for the life of me serve no earthly purpose other than aesthetic appeal. (If you like toes.... Jabba )

Mine differ from DS's in that they are slightly wider but the overall design is the same.

Accompanying the feet are some figures to convey scale donated by my son.

Titan toes are always a problem... I knew that the ankle structure in the sketch-up wouldn't pass your muster. I'll be curious to see how you hinge that foot together. Thanks for including the minis. I wish I had the energy to put that much design thought into a project.

Are those toes attached yet? Or do you need still to put connecting mechanisms into them?

They just seem so much bigger than I already knew them to be sitting there with those minis....

Fantastic.....

Nice feet - those minis look pretty good too!

jabbakahut wrote:Titan toes are always a problem... I knew that the ankle structure in the sketch-up wouldn't pass your muster. I'll be curious to see how you hinge that foot together. Thanks for including the minis. I wish I had the energy to put that much design thought into a project.

ditch the girlfriend.

mxwllmdr wrote:Are those toes attached yet? Or do you need still to put connecting mechanisms into them?

They just seem so much bigger than I already knew them to be sitting there with those minis....

Fantastic.....

Working on the disc actuator hydraulics right now; four stabilizers per disc, massive 1/2 inch cylinders with extremely short pistons. Powerful mechanisms commensurate with the towering mass of this construct.

Blackadder waxes poetically

Personally, I'd rather have the girlfriend to play with than little plastic men (or big plastic men as it were).
But whatever floats your boat .

Looking forward to how this'll turn out though

So have you started building yet?

Ovion wrote:Personally, I'd rather have the girlfriend to play with than little plastic men (or big plastic men as it were).
But whatever floats your boat

Thats right, having a girl is like owning a boat the two happiest days are the the day you get her and the day you get shed of her.

this looks awesome.

I have been married 20 years. I love her very deeply....






Many times a day I prefer the little plastic men.........


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mxwllmdr wrote:I have been married 20 years. I love her very deeply....






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Now that is disturbing!

A bit further along on the disc mount mechanism placed but not glued are the rough cylinder trunnion mount blocks which are in essence pairs of pillow block bearings. Not glued because I don't know how much distance I need for the cylinder travel and still allow the disc plate a full range of tilt. mebbe I should do a drawing.