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Not wanting to make too heavy a point but just had a friend of mine that is a big Blood Angels fan, that was definitely going to get the model, enter the room eager and excited to see the new stormraven model.

Only to be struck with that picture and tell me moments later that if that's what GW are going to put out then he won't be getting one.

Sigh

Samus_aran115 wrote:Huh? People actually like that piece of crap? I'm still utterly repulsed by it. I've since bought two of the old metal ones.

I very much agree that the old metal Daemon Prince and the Nurgle Daemon Prince are *leagues* ahead of the plastic one, but what I'm saying is that there was a massive knee-jerk reaction to how 'bad' that model was (I was one of them). And yet, upon seeing one in person and actually being able to view the model from every angle it didn't look as atrocious as the promo pics made it look.

I think this is very much in the same vein. People hate on it because the picture is unflattering, but they haven't seen the model in its entirety which may allay some of the proportion worries.

Also, if people haven't noticed yet, it's got four whopping great big VTOL engines (two on the main body and two on the wing). So it obviously does have a way to propel itself off of the ground.

L. Wrex

BTW I have heard GW UK is looking for a new website manager

On second thought, having this page written and tested now would point at a December Xmas release for that model.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Huh? People actually like that piece of crap? I'm still utterly repulsed by it. I've since bought two of the old metal ones.

I very much agree that the old metal Daemon Prince and the Nurgle Daemon Prince are *leagues* ahead of the plastic one, but what I'm saying is that there was a massive knee-jerk reaction to how 'bad' that model was (I was one of them). And yet, upon seeing one in person and actually being able to view the model from every angle it didn't look as atrocious as the promo pics made it look.

I think this is very much in the same vein. People hate on it because the picture is unflattering, but they haven't seen the model in its entirety which may allay some of the proportion worries.

Also, if people haven't noticed yet, it's got four whopping great big VTOL engines (two on the main body and two on the wing). So it obviously does have a way to propel itself off of the ground.

L. Wrex

You have no basis to say it's an unflattering angle, for all we know it may be the best angle of the thing just as easily as the worst. Try to keep hopes out of arguments, they tend to detract from the good points you made. IMHO anyways... for the record, I am still no fan of the plastic dp, if they couldnt match or outdo the metal 40k dp's, or belakor for that matter, they should have just held off. Also IMHO though of course!

Ummmmmmm. . .Uhhhhhhhh. . .Ehhhhhhhhh. . .Frankly. . . .It looks like a giant anal suppository. It's complete crap. One of the worst models they've ever made and that includes the original Land Raider, the original tyranid line, those really manly looking slaanesh chicks from a million years ago. I would rather make my own then use that absolutely stupid model. Dimensionally, it looks incapable of flight. Honestly, all the weight's in the front. I just don't see how it can fly. . .unless it depends on anti-grav engines or some other sci-fi magic. Sadness has eaten my soul. Seriously, what's up with those ridiculous bubble turrets. This isn't supposed to be a WWII bomber. *Sigh* I'm done. . .until it comes out and I make fun it every game that I play that has one it in, for the entire game. . .

I am huge fan of the Marine range, and in my younger days, I often was happy to act as a defender of the range and concept. And I will continue to be so.

Now that my bona fides are established, let me contribute to the conversation. Conceptually, that is terrible. I get the desire to hew to the current chassis for the tanks, and even the thunderhawk. But the width, height, and length ratios are absolutely horrendous. It is literally a less aerodynamic Land Raider with wings stuck on the side.

Hideous.

Grim Smasha wrote:Ummmmmmm. . .Uhhhhhhhh. . .Ehhhhhhhhh. . .Frankly. . . .It looks like a giant anal suppository. It's complete crap.

most suppositories are actually quite aerodynamic being bullet shaped for easy entry. don't ask how i know... as for the model, i agree that it's pretty fugly.

Grim Smasha wrote:One of the worst models they've ever made and that includes ... those really manly looking slaanesh chicks from a million years ago.

Ugh, I don't know if I'd go that far!

Though I will not be buying one of these either.

I think the nays have it...

Good news for those who have the scratch building skills to convert valks for people.

I heavily dislike it the heavy boxy front with the empty back
the only way it could be redeemed is if they had some kind of "hook" or something to hold the dreadnought to hold the enormous gap on its rear

It might have one, you couldn't tell from this angle.

MajorTom11 wrote:Figured better post this in case they try to yank it -



Gotta say, I am not sure if it is a kit-bash or not. A good one mind you, but certain parts still look all too familiar. Pretty cool, but not as cool as it could have been if it is the real deal. It look a hell of a lot like the conversions done by hobbyists, almost like they copied the conversions for the design lol.

As for the realism of the model,it's really hard to say without seeing the back of the model and some other angles. The massive vent on top appears to be blocking a good deal of the airflow to the back wings. The only thing I can think of is that the Stromraven is a vectored thrust craft with thrusters on the bottom to help it maintain lift,which would require the top intake. That would also make sense,as then it would move forward with a tilt and the vent wouldn't get in the way of the rear wings. That would also make the top mounted turret make sense,as oppossed to a bottom mounted one,because if the SR moves forward at an angle,the turret would get a better field of fire to enemies on the ground if mounted on top than on bottom. If that is indeed the concept for the SR,then hopefully the wings will be able to pivot on an axis. Or,it could just be an unrealistic and poorly thought out design.

Aesthetically,the SR looks like crap from that photo. It screamed for a great model,and appears to have come up horribly short. Perhaps it can be made to look halfway decent with some kitbashing,but so far looks like a dissappointment. That sentiment may change once I see some more pics and/or the actual model,however. Unfortunately,this is apparently the kind of hit/miss stuff for other armies we can look forward to for a while after GW let their plastics design head spend 6 years on DE.

Kroothawk wrote:
But actually, I can't understand the hate for this model. It is an unaerodynamical blick (or current Land Raider) with wings for sure, but then again, the Arvus lighter or Thunderhawk are the same (or Rhino, Leman Russ, Land Raider and Chimera just unbelievable bricks with tracks):

The thing is, even though the Arvus lighter is a flying brick, at least the wings/engines are firmly attached to the body. With the StormRaven, it just looks like they're begging to be snapped off in terms of both the model and the air/spacecraft it is supposed to represent.

It's still savable, but it needs a LOT of work to look anywhere near as good as most of the conversions that have been made so far.

Yes, from this angle that is what they look like.

Still, I am quite certain that the design process started with a current Land Raider hull without the tracks, then adding Valkyrie wings and stuff. Seems to have the exact same volume and form (including lower part of front door, even having similar nodges at the upper edge of the hull). Makes sense for transport capacity and the Imperium being short on templates.

Melissia wrote:Yes, from this angle that is what they look like.

You trump angle too much. This isn't using a photostitch or some sort of ridiculous fisheye lens. It's faults are plain to see. The other side could look like the mona lisa but this side is still ugly as sin and painfully dysfunctional.

Melissia wrote:

Darkness wrote:Its like an A-10. Ugly as Sin, but beautiful in what it does

Oddly enough, I like the visuals of the A10 better than I do... any military aircraft with the F prefix that I know of other than the F-117. A pity that the F22/F35 crafts which replaced it are such ugly little gaks.

Agreed... A-10 is a very sexy beast, ugly is hardly a word I would use to describe it. Although I wouldn't go so far to say that the F22 is ugly, I actually quite like it. F-35... not so much... now the F-15(E especially)... thats a sexy F prefixed plane... and the F-4... awww yeah...

I think I'll stick w/ my plan of converting Caestus Assault Rams thank you... at least until someone produces an extension kit.

It would've been better like a flying rhino. IT's almost got the same AV any how. . .*vomiting profusely* I can't look at it any longer. . . :(

ShumaGorath wrote:

Melissia wrote:Yes, from this angle that is what they look like.

You trump angle too much. This isn't using a photostitch or some sort of ridiculous fisheye lens. It's faults are plain to see. The other side could look like the mona lisa but this side is still ugly as sin and painfully dysfunctional.

Yes, because I'm patient enough to not judge based off of a single picture that was released when it wasn't intended to be.

Wow it seems to me just about everyone is being cry babies...you cry when there is no model you cry when they do release a model..

"well it looks unrealistic the wings would be ripped off.. Flying brick etc etc" NEWS FLASH it is a game of plastic army figures!!! It won't be realistic!! There are no giants bugs trying to eat you and all that BS. Quit nerd raging and get over it.

Dahlberg66 wrote:"well it looks unrealistic the wings would be ripped off.. Flying brick etc etc" NEWS FLASH it is a game of plastic army figures!!! It won't be realistic!! There are no giants bugs trying to eat you and all that BS. Quit nerd raging and grt over it.

Its just that this thing is more unrealistic than usual

Dahlberg66 wrote:Wow it seems to me just about everyone is being cry babies...you cry when there is no model you cry when they do release a model..

"well it looks unrealistic the wings would be ripped off.. Flying brick etc etc" NEWS FLASH it is a game of plastic army figures!!! It won't be realistic!! There are no giants bugs trying to eat you and all that BS. Quit nerd raging and get over it.

Ya ya, buy it, don't judge it. If you have any response but utter love it's toy soldiers so it's not important enough to have an opinion on... it is important enough to buy though.

Cry-babies... You would cry too if you weren't firmly already clamped onto momma GW's teet lol. Go be an opinion faschist somewhere else dude, it's a discussion board. You just want to see the new models, stick to GW's news page. It will stress you less than all these awful people with different opinions lol

Great model, really, fabulous! Seriously, fabulous.

The only thing missing are two Giant fists coming out of the sides a-la the "Supermobile".

Then their failure would be complete.

Deadshane1 wrote:Great model, really, fabulous! Seriously, fabulous.

The only thing missing are two Giant fists coming out of the sides a-la the "Supermobile".

Then their failure would be complete.

Awesome quote

MajorTom11 wrote:

Dahlberg66 wrote:Wow it seems to me just about everyone is being cry babies...you cry when there is no model you cry when they do release a model..

"well it looks unrealistic the wings would be ripped off.. Flying brick etc etc" NEWS FLASH it is a game of plastic army figures!!! It won't be realistic!! There are no giants bugs trying to eat you and all that BS. Quit nerd raging and get over it.

Ya ya, buy it, don't judge it. If you have any response but utter love it's toy soldiers so it's not important enough to have an opinion on... it is important enough to buy though.

Cry-babies... You would cry too if you weren't firmly already clamped onto momma GW's teat lol. Go be an opinion fascist somewhere else dude, it's a discussion board. You just want to see the new models, stick to GW's news page. It will stress you less than all these awful people with different opinions lol

Funny that you're calling him "an opinion fascist" while trying to shut his opinion down.


You don't like the model? Fine, that's great you've expressed your opinion.
If someone does like the model, that doesn't mean you get to start in with this crap that's constantly thrown about here on Dakka accusing people of being apologists for GW.

moving to the other side of the bowl to take a picture of a turd from another angle isnt going it make it look any better. This model sucks from this angle, and it is going to suck from other angles as well. Many other angles.

MajorTom is in some serious danger of having his (derivative?) IP stolen, however, by posting that picture of win and awesomeness.

If I want one, Imma scratch build it for sure. I MIGHT get one of these for parts and for a base ot work from, but frankly I am not sure. It would just require so much structural work. Really not sure. Might give it a shot. Might just say screw it and bust out the plasticard.

This is so lame, it is obvious to me that this was a rushed job... I mean you can spot the reused design of the land raider which is so pathetic...

I think what is killing it the most is the tail and the sudden end to the hull in the back, I think I would add more thrusters to the wings also.

I wish I could destroy all memory of this event.

If Rhinos are metal bawkses and LR and giant bawkses ,
then certainly to keep up with GW 's Space Marine design scheme : "Large winged metal bawkses" is needed.

MajorTom11 wrote:This is what I woulda done/will do myself -

Wow someone ingrained with artistic talents even your random photoshop looks better than the original.

I'll take 6 (three red, three silver)... thanks