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I would love to see an ork player turn this into a Battlewagon. I can just picture a deffroller on the front.....awsome


Honestly, I think that a little plasticard to extend the fusilage back a bit with a hollow bottom and a little more to connect the wings to the cockpit area and the model will be fine. It is meant to basically be a flying Land raider in terms of game use, so it should not look dainty.

Also, we have no idea what other decortive options come with the kit, for example there could be smaller wing sets or something else..

Maybe it's because I don't (and probably never will) play Space Mahreens, but I don't think it's that bad of a kit. If it wasn't ridiculously expensive, I'd even like to have it so I could wreck it.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I like it! It fits in rather nicely with the 'chunky' Space Marine aesthetic. I'lll hold off on my full judgement before I see a few more shots, but I have a feeling this will go down much like the new Daemon Prince did; ugly as sin in the promo shots, but actually quite nice IRL.

L. Wrex

Addendum: I see a lot of people complaining that it looks to front-heavy. Don't forget this thing has a DREADNOUGHT slung underneath it people! Imagine that pic, and then add a Dreadnought and I think your weight/balance issues might be addressed.

Except it wont have a dreadnought on the back. If scale is any indication a dread will be physically too big to put back there. Also who's dread? Not mine as there are banners or other top/shoulder/weapon embellishments that will make it impossible to attach. Even if you could physically put a dread behind it, after turn 2 the dread will probably not be a passenger anymore as its off rampaging on its own. The ship needs to hold its own as is, unfortunately its ugly and unbalanced on its own.

vitki wrote:I dub it the chibi-hawk

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svendrex wrote:
Honestly, I think that a little plasticard to extend the fusilage back a bit with a hollow bottom and a little more to connect the wings to the cockpit area and the model will be fine. It is meant to basically be a flying Land raider in terms of game use, so it should not look dainty.

Also, we have no idea what other decortive options come with the kit, for example there could be smaller wing sets or something else..

It wouldn't take much for GW to correct a few of the niggles.

Too front heavy : add some retros at the front
Too tall/not streemlined enough : remove the top twin lascannon turret and add a smaller razerback las turret in its place or a far more cool underslung lascannon turret below at the front.
Wings seem disconnected from the hull by too much of a gap : move them forward and/or extend the hull further backwards. Think this will make the proportions better, though will reduce the ammount of space for a dread.

Edit : Thanks Melissia

*mutters annoyingly at the use of the incorrect spelling of "turret"....*

I wish I was surprised that people judge something based off of a single pic with a weird angle instead of holding off for some more in depth images with a wider variety of angles.

If we can get BLOS to call it the Chibi-Hawk (when they report this as Breaking News a week from now), then it will stick.

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Darkness wrote:Its like an A-10. Ugly as Sin, but beautiful in what it does

Oddly enough, I like the visuals of the A10 better than I do... any military aircraft with the F prefix that I know of other than the F-117. A pity that the F22/F35 crafts which replaced it are such ugly little gaks.

This also is nothing like the A-10. The A-10 is an actual aricraft. It can fly. This can't even fly conceptually with magic space tech.

It's only source of lift is in it's tail
it's stupidly front heavy
it's wings aren't functioning (so it RELIES on that weird tail wing jet thrust)
it's melta weapon platform is positioned inside the craft despite being a close range weapon presumably designed to strike ground targets.
It's wing thrusters are jets, and this is a spacecraft. That doesn't work.
It's wing thrusters are placed at the top and rear of the craft meaning the moment they fired it would tumble forward.

It's got a tail!
A tail with no purpose
It's not aeodynamic
It's not a weapons platform
It doesn't control the aircraft in any way
What the hell is the tail for?


This would use it's tiny wing thrusters to lift it's tail up, it would flip forward, then it's tiny tail thrusters would push it forward like a vertical boat until it's big engines kick in and smash it into the ground. This thing is awful.

I thought that this was a new ork flyer at first



I wonder what GW's FB page is like right about now

ceorron wrote:It wouldn't take much for GW to correct a few of the niggles.

Too front heavy : add some retros at the front
Too tall/not streemlined enough : remove the top twin lascannon turrent and add a smaller razerback las turrent in its place or a far more cool underslung lascannon turrent below at the front.
Wings seem disconnected from the hull by too much of a gap : move them forward and/or extend the hull further backwards. Think this will make the proportions better, though will reduce the ammount of space for a dread.

except that would require a major retooling of the dye which is supposedly quite expensive (not my area of expertise). or... gw can simply put it out as is and count on fanbois doing their own conversions at no cost (other than lost sales) to them.

warboss wrote:

ceorron wrote:It wouldn't take much for GW to correct a few of the niggles.

Too front heavy : add some retros at the front
Too tall/not streemlined enough : remove the top twin lascannon turrent and add a smaller razerback las turrent in its place or a far more cool underslung lascannon turrent below at the front.
Wings seem disconnected from the hull by too much of a gap : move them forward and/or extend the hull further backwards. Think this will make the proportions better, though will reduce the ammount of space for a dread.

except that would require a major retooling of the dye which is supposedly quite expensive (not my area of expertise). or... gw can simply put it out as is and count on fanbois doing their own conversions at no cost (other than lost sales) to them.

If this thread is anything to go by there may be quite a few lost sales, I might consider the "considerable expence" worth it.

Your forgetting the inevitable cost of the minimal redesign years later that they could just go and do now. This could be a potential save for GW and a lesson in sometimes it is best to get it right first time.

Feth me, that's ugly.

Granted, it might be an unflattering angle, but no good model can look this bad, surely?

ceorron wrote:

warboss wrote:

ceorron wrote:It wouldn't take much for GW to correct a few of the niggles.

Too front heavy : add some retros at the front
Too tall/not streemlined enough : remove the top twin lascannon turrent and add a smaller razerback las turrent in its place or a far more cool underslung lascannon turrent below at the front.
Wings seem disconnected from the hull by too much of a gap : move them forward and/or extend the hull further backwards. Think this will make the proportions better, though will reduce the ammount of space for a dread.

except that would require a major retooling of the dye which is supposedly quite expensive (not my area of expertise). or... gw can simply put it out as is and count on fanbois doing their own conversions at no cost (other than lost sales) to them.

If this thread is anything to go by there may be quite a few lost sales, I might consider the "considerable expence" worth it.

Your forgetting the inevitable cost of the minimal redesign years later that they could just go and do now. This could be a potential save for GW and a lesson in sometimes it is best to get it right first time.

People buy Leman Russ' and space marine dreadnauts so I doubt that there is really a big concern about whether idiotic designs can't sell.

Its like an A-10. Ugly as Sin, but beautiful in what it does

The A-10 is the most beautiful aircraft of all time!

ShumaGorath wrote:
People buy Leman Russ' and space marine dreadnauts so I doubt that there is really a big concern about whether idiotic designs can't sell.

Russes and Dreads are cool (although predator>>>russ design wise)

this is laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

Don't like it, don't buy it... pretty simple.

I like it... I'm planning a GK force. I'll buy at least 1, if not more than 1 of them.

kenshin620 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
People buy Leman Russ' and space marine dreadnauts so I doubt that there is really a big concern about whether idiotic designs can't sell.

Russes and Dreads are cool (although predator>>>russ design wise)

this is laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

This thing can not logically walk, stand up, or even flip over after falling.
It has a tiny eyehole slit for the guy inside.
It has exposed floating cables on it's legs, arms, everything else that would catch on things at it walks or get hit with regularity.
It's got dozens of bullet traps at every angle

It's just as bad at this flying brick with tail jets.

Well we've seen how the Dread walks. Relic made it walk. It's not pretty, but it can walk (and then we try to factor out that 'Mecha' don't make any sort of practical sense anyway). All Mechs are style over substance. They don't make sense at all, so at least make them look cool. In the blocky aesthetic that is the Imperium, things like Dreads and Sentinels and even the Penitent Engine fit. The Chibi-Raven... does not.

As far as the cables and exposed wiring... so many things in 40K have that. That doesn't excuse it, but to single it out as a Dreadnought-centric problem is somewhat disengenuous. Marines have exposed cabling and no one seems to care about that.

Ed_Bodger wrote:

vitki wrote:I dub it the chibi-hawk

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I get what this is but it's just spam like this. Please post along with content from now on. Thanks!

Well we've seen how the Dread walks. Relic made it walk. It's not pretty, but it can walk (and then we factor in that 'Mecha' don't make any sort of practical sense). All Mechs are style over substance. They don't make sense at all, so at least make them look cool. In the blocky aesthetic that is the Imperium, things like Dreads and Sentinels and even the Penitent Engine fit. The Chibi-Raven... does not.

If you scrutinize the walking in the dawn of war games done by the dreads they technically break their knee joints and clip into themselves with every step. They also stay perfectly level when walking up hills, something dreads could not physically do.

As far as the cables and exposed wiring... so many things in 40K have that. That doesn't excuse it, but to single it out as a Dreadnought-centric problem is somewhat disengenuous. Marines have exposed cabling and no one seems to care about that.

I care :( .

All I can think of is a nerf ball lol. Maybe they should attach whistles to it and just lob it at the enemy, seems like it would be more realistically effective that way.
EDIT: For the unenlightened:

I wouldn't buy it as it is a Space marine model, but I kind of like cutie chibi-hawk. But then again, I also play Tau
Here a leaked pic of the Blood Angels crew BTW



But actually, I can't understand the hate for this model. It is an unaerodynamical blick (or current Land Raider) with wings for sure, but then again, the Arvus lighter or Thunderhawk are the same (or Rhino, Leman Russ, Land Raider and Chimera just unbelievable bricks with tracks):



Here is a quick photoshop of how a more aerodynamic transport could look like, but somehow, it doesn't fit into the IoM I guess



But I agree that MajorTom11's conversion looks better.

ceorron wrote:What they are most likely doing is testing the water with a beta model to get our first impressions on a model they are not 100% on themselves. With the idea being that if we all go "yay, we love it" they schedule a release sometime early 2011 with the new Plastic Furioso Dread (see my previous post). If we all go "no, thats just bad" (as in this case), GW pass it off as a goof up and the designers are sent packing back to the drawing board.

I don't buy that. For that to be the case, GW would need plausible deniability, whereas this is a model that's already been painted by their studio guy to their normal display standard. It doesn't look like a beta, or anything they could later pass off as not intended for release. They'd've had to go for a CAD drawing or a crude mockup in that case.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I like it! It fits in rather nicely with the 'chunky' Space Marine aesthetic. I'lll hold off on my full judgement before I see a few more shots, but I have a feeling this will go down much like the new Daemon Prince did; ugly as sin in the promo shots, but actually quite nice IRL.

L. Wrex

Addendum: I see a lot of people complaining that it looks to front-heavy. Don't forget this thing has a DREADNOUGHT slung underneath it people! Imagine that pic, and then add a Dreadnought and I think your weight/balance issues might be addressed.

Huh? People actually like that piece of crap? I'm still utterly repulsed by it. I've since bought two of the old metal ones.

Sorry for this guys but I don't have a copy of the BA dex to hand but isn't the SR supposed to hold 20 marines or am I misinformed?

The scaling of this thing seems to be even further out of wack than the Rhino APC if that is indeed the case. I mean frack me what is this thing the TARDIS or something?

Oh and agreed, can't believe that anyone actually likes the new DP, for a start one of its poses just looks like he's flipping someone off, that deserves an ASBO not a blood curdling scream.

ShumaGorath wrote:I care :( .

Then you're in the wrong hobby.

Lennysmash wrote:Sorry for this guys but I don't have a copy of the BA dex to hand but isn't the SR supposed to hold 20 marines or am I misinformed?

12, with termies and jump infantry counting as 2... plus the dread in the trunk.

Well, being a brick on tracks seems actually advantagous for a tank. As for the flying bricks, you would have though the mechanicum might have designed somthing beyond the point of "attach enough rockets to it and its BOUND to go somewhere!" Sure, innovation is heresy, but it wasnt during the crusade surely, plenty of time to work out aerodynamics.

Trilobite wrote: Sure, innovation is heresy, but it wasnt during the crusade surely, plenty of time to work out aerodynamics.

AdMech SINGS to a machine until it works for Christs sake, only Tau use real engineering. Make any SM vehicle sleak, aerodynamical and practical, everyone would complain about it being too Tau'ish.

Kroothawk wrote:But actually, I can't understand the hate for this model. It is an unaerodynamical blick (or current Land Raider) with wings for sure, but then again, the Arvus lighter or Thunderhawk are the same (or Rhino, Leman Russ, Land Raider and Chimera just unbelievable bricks with tracks):

The Arvus Lighter is no where near as preposterous as the Chibi-Hawk.

I mean, it looks like it could fly (especially in space):



This new... thing... not at all.