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I'm sorry. I love the Blood Angels, but the Stormraven is an awful design through and through. I think that chibi picture pretty much describes what I think it looks like. Its a chibi Thunderhawk in every sense of the word "chibi". Its also somewhat of a points sink. I would have considered buying the model just to have it, but right now it doesn't seem all that appealing.

Did anyone notice that on the second sprue pictured for the Stormraven there are chapter icons? There are 4 Blood Angel (blood drop with wings) and 4 Grey Knight (book with sword). I guess that confirms that GK get them but not that other chapters will (at least until the next vanilla codex).

Did anyone notice that on the second sprue pictured for the Stormraven there are chapter icons?

Yes, nearly everyone, starting several days ago when the sprue pics first leaked out.

BladeWalker wrote:Did anyone notice that on the second sprue pictured for the Stormraven there are chapter icons? There are 4 Blood Angel (blood drop with wings) and 4 Grey Knight (book with sword). I guess that confirms that GK get them but not that other chapters will (at least until the next vanilla codex).

that doesn't necessarily mean anything. the drop pod just happened to spoil us with the number and breadth of the icons it came with; the rhino and land raider don't have any chapter icons but that doesn't mean vanilla chapters can't use them. gw needs sales and i think they'll LRC the stormraven into other chapters sooner rather than later (with the full codex fluff redo next edition).

In retrospect, I'm surprised they didn't paint a Stormraven in Grey Knight colors.

MagickalMemories wrote:Yeah. It's the Brett Favre of models. It needs to actually STAY retired.
Who cares? Me. I'm not alone, either. There are a lot of people who don't like metal models.

Plus... you ever tried to assemble a metal Dread? If the pull isn't PERFECT, it's a HUGE PITA to assemble.

Eric

Bjorn is a classic model and kinda owns, deal with it. It's not like re-releasing him takes crucial resources from developing new models or anything, so chill.

Just thought it was cool to see something new for GK even if it's just a icon for a vehicle.

So I looked at the Storm Raven. I was excited. I thought it would look better from a different angle. I slowly turned to the back of the model, and then vomited in all directions.

ITS AWFUL! WHY GOD? WHY COULDN'T THE HULL EXTEND JUST TWO MORE INCHES!?! AT least I can remove the STUPID DRAG CREATING VENT and make it a passable model.

Although they are accepting pictures of Blood Angels Armies. Wounder if a DYI successor chapter counts...

bhsman wrote:Bjorn is a classic model and kinda owns, deal with it. It's not like re-releasing him takes crucial resources from developing new models or anything, so chill.

Well, I admit you've got a point, re: critical resources. I couldn't and wouldn't dare say it does that.
Still, though, that fact doesn't keep me from looking at the beast and feeling like GW is hosing everyone who buys it.

Eric

After looking at the Dreadnought sprues again, I begin my quest to figure out how to make a magnetized dread for both options (Blood Talons and Librarian) out of one box.

OK, I think I'm going to get one of these. It's really grown on me.

Ouze wrote:I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.

I was thinking that too. The paint details down to the various exhaust port soot stains are identical on all three.

The vehicle itself would be awesome if its fuselage was twice as long as it actually is.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Ouze wrote:I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.

I was thinking that too. The paint details down to the various exhaust port soot stains are identical on all three.

If you look at the back of the WD issue where Spearhead was released, you can see this several times - the same battlewagon appears 3 times, the same leman russ appears twice, and a deff dread is cloned, as I recall (i'm at work, so don't have it with me).

It is pretty ironic that for a company which is all about pushing you to buy metric tons of plastic crap and then paint it all to 'eavy metal standards, they clearly can't be bothered to do so themselves in their own marketing materials.

I love the new dreads its taking a bit of incoming fire but i suppose you cant please everyone but the models are still gonna sell loads regardless. The new models are definetely making me consider doing a BA army.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
How about a plastic Space Wolf Dreadnought kit which happens to also make a Bjorn-like Dread?

I'd be OK with that.

I kinda think there are other kits that should be made before 1000 loyalist chapters each get their own plastic Dreadnought. But that's just me. I'm guessing there will be at least two more (GK, BT) before Chaos gets one.

I shoulda seen this coming
The day after I buy a Venerable Dread to convert, GW puts the new ones up and I don't like a single one of the designs.
Making the mad dash to buy the now old metal version before they sell out.

But damn, AUS $110 for The Flying Brick?
Think I'll just jump on the DIY bandwagon and make mine own for cheaper (and it'll look better).

I was tempted to start a new thread in general discussions, but Ill just ask here.


Looking at the pictures of the chibi hawk, notice that there are large bulky something or others in front of the hurricane bolters? It almost looks like it will prevent the hurricane bolters from firing forward. The stormraven is pretty much going to have to point where it is going to fire to hit with both hurricane bolters, if it can fire them forward at all. I dont want to be wasting POTMS on firing both hurricane bolters at different targets, especially when they are defensive weapons.

Thoughts?

bhsman wrote:In retrospect, I'm surprised they didn't paint a Stormraven in Grey Knight colors.

Because GW doesn't do previews?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Because GW doesn't do previews?

You mean like the email we got at the start of last year previewing the Deff Dread? Y'know, previews like that?

If the 3 SRs are one model shopped into 3, they took 3 different pics of it. The reflections on the canopies are all different.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:If the 3 SRs are one model shopped into 3, they took 3 different pics of it. The reflections on the canopies are all different.

thats exactly how they do it. The camera and lighting are kept in static, constant positions, and they merely take 3+ pictures with the models in place, and then blend them together in photoshop...its a fairly easy trick. One they used copiously in their Dark Eldar photo shoots and throughout the warhammer rulebook.

Exactly. Sometimes they don't even bother moving the mini, just clone it over to the next spot. Need to look again but they did it with the DC Furioso in one of the army shots.

Anyways, I don't mind, it's perfectly legitimate for the purposes they use it for in my opinion.

MajorTom11 wrote:Anyways, I don't mind, it's perfectly legitimate for the purposes they use it for in my opinion.

Legitimate in that it's marketing material, sure. Absolutely. I'm not giving them one iota of grief over that.

But if you're one of those people who has a hard time motivating yourself to cranking out a giant army just like the epic ones you're always seeing in WD, you should keep in mind that these guys don't bother doing it, either - and they get paid to. Remember it when you're reading their subtle exhortations that "this is the way to play warhams" as they represent this as a typical army. No one actually buys 3 stormravens and paints them to 'eavy metal standards, not even the guys who do it for a living. So don't feel like you need to, if you don't want to.

guys don't bother doing it, either - and they get paid to.

GW staff get paid to complete the minimum work needed to get the job done before moving onto another project, just like any job at any company. Efficiency, deadlines and cost are all in play. Customers are doing it as a hobby. The use of a single model multiple times in advertising shots is not really a valid argument as to whether customers should or should not paint a lot of models for their hobby. I can't believe this is now a bone of contention for some hobbyists, but then, complaining seems to be the primary purpose of the forum, especially when it comes to the Stormraven kit. That is, till the next source of GW customer outrage is released.

MagickalMemories wrote:

bhsman wrote:Bjorn is a classic model and kinda owns, deal with it. It's not like re-releasing him takes crucial resources from developing new models or anything, so chill.

Well, I admit you've got a point, re: critical resources. I couldn't and wouldn't dare say it does that.
Still, though, that fact doesn't keep me from looking at the beast and feeling like GW is hosing everyone who buys it.

Eric

not only was it originally released a good 15 years ago when GW couldnt even begin to consider injection moulded kits on that scale, but it is indeed a well loved classic, which the youngsters in the hobby are getting a chance to appreciate (for a classicly high price). if you wanted a plastic SW dread then between ironclad, venerable, multiple plastic spacewolf parts, a ton of forgeworld variants and now this new furious chap im sure anyone with a little patience and imagination could come up with something pretty ace...



on another note..



was anyone else expecting something more along these lines? ..that is some serious cop-out to resort to 'yeah, dread hangs on the back with a magna grapple'



i dont mind the cloning so much in the sample armies but why the hell do they put up sample army with a picture but the picture only has half the stuff in the list?!? (theyre there, cant be bothered finding a link right now)

Why tacticals in the battleforce?



Why?????

Kind of a neat model, abatha. Are the thingies on the wingtips the actual landing gear, ro do the grabbers on the cargo area do double duty?

That's the Valkyrie Sky-Talon.

And yes, those "thingies on the wingtips" are the landing gear. They're like that on every Valkyrie, meant to reinforce the idea that they're "helicopters" rather than "jets", if that makes sense.

Balance wrote:Kind of a neat model, abatha. Are the thingies on the wingtips the actual landing gear, ro do the grabbers on the cargo area do double duty?

what grabbers in the cargo area? i thought one of the complaints here is that there isn't a visible exterior clamp for the dread?

edit: ahh, you're talking about the sky talon. never mind. yeah, definitely a cool model.

was anyone else expecting something more along these lines? ..that is some serious cop-out to resort to 'yeah, dread hangs on the back with a magna grapple'

Oh I'm sure they could have designed something at least 50% larger that would look more plausible for toting Dreadnoughts around and it would take up more space and cost considerably more. I'm thankful the 40K transports are generally a bit undersized and require some suspension of disbelief, it's more practical and less expensive than if all the models were larger and even pricier.

Jaon wrote:I was tempted to start a new thread in general discussions, but Ill just ask here.


Looking at the pictures of the chibi hawk, notice that there are large bulky something or others in front of the hurricane bolters? It almost looks like it will prevent the hurricane bolters from firing forward. The stormraven is pretty much going to have to point where it is going to fire to hit with both hurricane bolters, if it can fire them forward at all. I dont want to be wasting POTMS on firing both hurricane bolters at different targets, especially when they are defensive weapons.

Thoughts?

I should think they act like normal LR sponsons or Pred sponsons with line of sight?