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as a side note, i saw this pic yesterday on someone's blog and saved it. unfortunately, i didn't save the actual link so i can't credit them directly... either way, it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.

theduncan wrote:Why tacticals in the battleforce?

Why?????

By golly, you're right!

...they should be Scouts instead, right?

warboss wrote:as a side note, i saw this pic yesterday on someone's blog and saved it. unfortunately, i didn't save the actual link so i can't credit them directly... either way, it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.

size is good and i like the top down view, nice find

The only problem I find with the dread is that the Force Weapon is on his left arm. If it was made for his right arm you could make a second Furioso by putting the arm on a normal dread.

You know, invert those wings and you've have something very similar to the old Wing Commander Broadsword heavy fighter. It is achieving the sort of pug fugly I like!

bhsman wrote:

theduncan wrote:Why tacticals in the battleforce?

Why?????

By golly, you're right!

...they should be Scouts instead, right?

they should have ditched the rhino and tac and put in more assault marines and a baal predator or DC and devastators or something.. you may as well just get a standard marine battleforce and DC box instead of this one

pj-brainz wrote:I love the new dreads its taking a bit of incoming fire but i suppose you cant please everyone but the models are still gonna sell loads regardless. The new models are definetely making me consider doing a BA army.

Well, to be fair, I've read very few complaints about the Dreads. Only really complaints regarding their inability to be used for multiple purposes, therefore making you buy multiples...

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The only problem I find with the dread is that the Force Weapon is on his left arm. If it was made for his right arm you could make a second Furioso by putting the arm on a normal dread.

Wouldn't worry too much about it anymore bud, now that there is a plastic right arm, I am betting you will be able to come across them easily enough from ebay.

Side note, not a Chibi fan in general as-is, but it looks pretty darned good from the top!

I'm waiting for someone to build a model that shows a dread running and holding the chibihawk above it.

See - this is how they get them going. the dread just has to run fast enough then hangs on...

I heard the SR is actually the gestalt form of the dreadnought

Has anyone seen a pic of it actually on a flight stand?

MajorTom11 wrote:Side note, not a Chibi fan in general as-is, but it looks pretty darned good from the top!

agreed. if they had "leaked" the top down photo (definitely its best angle), i wouldn't have been disappointed until this week! from the sprues, this thing is going to be a PITA to transport, though. the wings don't slot-fit like the valkyrie and will probably have to be glued on in most cases. from the dimensions in the pic, i think one would be lucky to fit the bird in a GW size tray (the kind i use) with them glued on.

Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"

Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.

Son_of_Iron wrote:Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"

Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.

That's been covered all ready in this thread and it's generally reckoned it's not a bare head. Apart from it being gold and completely smooth- despite it being the head of a semi-dead Space Marine Veteran.
Loreal Wrinkling Cream in 40K isn't that good that a bear head would be so silky smooth...

Son_of_Iron wrote:Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"

Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.

its a death mask on the librarian and if its a genuine skull on the DC then well.. he's clearly not using his face a great deal right now.

i somewhat agree with the exposed face rage tho.... marneus calgar.. dead, tycho.. just put a helmet on, azrael.. very good, you have a midget slave, now put ur helmet on before someone has ur eye out. lysander.. what s the point in wearing the termi armour if ur not gonna put it all on?

all scouts! infiltrating and what not, definately dead with a garot or a bit of shrapnel. it makes no real sense, although spacewolves have the cheap excuse of "my hair doesnt fit" or "i cant smell stuff so good with it on"



..just my opinion you understand

I'm gonna have to start Blood Angels *drools*

abatha wrote:

Son_of_Iron wrote:Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"

Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.

its a death mask on the librarian and if its a genuine skull on the DC then well.. he's clearly not using his face a great deal right now.

Ha! Quote of the week, right there!

MajorTom11 wrote:This was my re-design that made the rounds a month or 2 ago,

I rather liked that version.

With the final kit, suppose one were to remove the turret and the upper vents for a slimline "Razorback"-style turret, and extend the tail boom by about 3 inches - I could do that with plasticard. Maybe push the engines back a bit more.

But frankly, it's the sort of thing I'd rather kitbash starting with a Rhino.

warboss wrote:as a side note, i saw this pic yesterday on someone's blog and saved it. unfortunately, i didn't save the actual link so i can't credit them directly... either way, it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.

Hmm its chibi alright. In Canada it still costs more than a Land Raider.

Important question , anyone know if the new Furioso chest plates and arms are interchangeable with Iron Clad and Venerable Dred?
i meant directly without any need for ( yes minor or not ) conversions.

Also, does the multimelta on the chibi hawk swivel? It sticks out stiff like a bad conversion...

That's what she sai----

... No?

Yes, some of us HAVE assembled metal dreads, but before I assembled it I got some advice from a gamer at my FLGS and he told me to pin it down, so I had no issues, and some of ther metal minis I actually happen to like, and to be completely honest I am happy I can buy a Bjorn model now.

MajorTom11 wrote:Exactly. Sometimes they don't even bother moving the mini, just clone it over to the next spot. Need to look again but they did it with the DC Furioso in one of the army shots.

Anyways, I don't mind, it's perfectly legitimate for the purposes they use it for in my opinion.

They did it with the AoBR dreads in RedS8n's 2nd picture on page one.
Both have the exact same transfers on them. As in, one is just a photoshop.

bhsman wrote:You mean like the email we got at the start of last year previewing the Deff Dread? Y'know, previews like that?

Wow really? Are you that desperate to make me look wrong bhsman that you're going to bring up a tiny picture from over a year ago when all recent 'previews' have been nothing other than "Soon we're gonna show you something... eventually... maybe!".

Jesus man, everyone here has noticed how tight GW is with info. Are you going to be wilfully ignorant of that fact because you don't like me and/or you're an ass?

I'm not saying they aren't tight with info, but it was obvious to anyone who read the fluff for the Stormraven knew the Grey Knights would get one. I'm just saying I was expecting maybe an alternate paint scheme, even a tiny picture. Chill.

Guys, just made a pre-order with EmpChild from Battleroad games, he gives a great service and discounts, and is one of our own, so support! Def better than paying GW prices lol!

So... no one know if they are interchangeable? ah... comes out Feb 5th... no inside info then?

abatha wrote:
not only was it originally released a good 15 years ago when GW couldnt even begin to consider injection moulded kits on that scale, but it is indeed a well loved classic, which the youngsters in the hobby are getting a chance to appreciate (for a classicly high price). if you wanted a plastic SW dread then between ironclad, venerable, multiple plastic spacewolf parts, a ton of forgeworld variants and now this new furious chap im sure anyone with a little patience and imagination could come up with something pretty ace...

I know it's old. I've only been playing 40k for 9 or so years, but I've been "Oohing and aahing" over GW miniatures since the early 80's.
My opinion re: brick o'metal won't change. They need better.
Turning around and talking about how someone could convert one doesn't really hold water with me. The thing is that GW's trying to present a model to represent a unit. That being the case, they should present the best that they're able to and that dread just isn't it.

Eric

Yes, how dare GW re-release a model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades.

We get it, you don't like it and won't buy it. GW would be better serving Space Wolf players by eventually making a plastic kit, but what they did instead wasn't wrong, either.

btemple0 wrote:Yes, some of us HAVE assembled metal dreads, but before I assembled it I got some advice from a gamer at my FLGS and he told me to pin it down, so I had no issues, and some of ther metal minis I actually happen to like, and to be completely honest I am happy I can buy a Bjorn model now.

Pin it? All that's going to do it hold the pieces together. I've seen more than a couple dreads which had one half actually warped.
You can't do anything with that, but fill in the gap, have it look awkward, and lost the associated detail, as you have to make it look "right."

I like a LOT of their metal models. I'd just like them more in plastic. : )

Don't get me wrong. I think it's good they want to have a Bjorn model. I don't like that they just started recasting an inferior model, when they could've easily done it justice in plastic.

Eric


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bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.

With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.

bhsman wrote:We get it, you don't like it and won't buy it. GW would be better serving Space Wolf players by eventually making a plastic kit, but what they did instead wasn't wrong, either.

Just because it wasn't wrong doesn't mean it was *right*.

Eric

Fantastic dreadnought kit. It is everything I wanted and more even if the librarian has to carry a massive harpoon launcher around with him I am also happy that it is priced the same as a regular dred despite all the extras.
As for the SR, I think I will wait to get it until one of our converting geniuses finds a way to make it look less chibi which I do not think will be too much of a problem given the skill that some of us have.