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Here is a link to my friends trollblood army it is a great example of what dipping can do. http://s7.zetaboards.com/Texas_Warmachine/topic/8464056/1/

As a side note, here is a suggestion for the next front page poll, keeping the weighting used in this poll intact:

Was the dipping poll the most heavily biased poll in Dakka history?

It was great!
I've seen better
Worst poll ever
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Other (write in)

Ouze, I think you have completely nailed this one. It is pointless, uninformed, stupid, biased bandwagoning.

I think we all mellow with age, the young are desperate for acceptance and will say what they think their peer group or people they want to impress want to hear. Some older types just want to rub everyone up the wrong way and enjoy doing it (Abbandon-Fidelis anyone?) and they can be amusing occassionally in a purile way, in small doses, preferably milligram doses.

On the subject of Opinions, I completely disagree with everyone is "entitled" to an opinion. Professional opinion is always based on fact, experience, training and knowledge everyone can give an opinion but only those entitled to do so are listen to have any sway (like in Law Courts for example). Compare me with a Medical Doctor, you could come to me (I am not a Doctor) and you say "I have a pain in my head" and i say "well you've got a headache? Take a Man the Feth up pill". Where as a Doctor would give a proper professional opinion, run tests and give an evidence based opinion, or an opinion based on his experience.

I say everyone can give an opinion but "entitled" implies a knowledge, experience and fact based opinion. Not just an irrational response. To say everyone is "Entitled" to an opinion is to tolerate racism and groups like the KKK, sexism and judging peoples sexuality and Religious Intolerance.

Judging by peoples responses to "Dipping" if we carry on down this "Entitled to their Opinion Road" everyone will be killing each other until the end of time.

Dipping is here to stay, like it or loathe it, everyone get over it, move on, no one wants to hear it.

My buddy just started dipping to test his Blood Angels army, and I love the way they've turned out, but I don't think dipping will go well with a white-themed Eldar Army.

I plan on trying it soon

Hologram wrote:My buddy just started dipping to test his Blood Angels army, and I love the way they've turned out, but I don't think dipping will go well with a white-themed Eldar Army.

I plan on trying it soon

This way looks good (if you don't mind the sepia tint):

http://www.thearmypainter.com/gallery_presentation.php?GalleryId=37&Gallery

Dirty white:

http://www.thearmypainter.com/gallery_presentation.php?GalleryId=45&Gallery

This way takes more time, but it means that the blue receives the shading that it needs:

http://www.thearmypainter.com/gallery_presentation.php?GalleryId=74&Gallery

People are still talking about this? This isn't even an issue. If anyone gets their army painted at all that's great.

dipping doesnt even have to be the last stage in the model,

http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&func=view&catid=25&id=90465&Itemid=87

here is an example of some bretonians painted by dipping, or using the dipping tecnique to speed up the process and the results are great

i have never dipped and i have always heard it refered to as the dipping of a unpainted or just undercoated model into a tub of paint and done, but having seen some of the results it looks great with the army painter stuff. i have a friend who paints really quickly and messy using the liberal aplications of washes and some how when its done it looks great, and i mean slapping the stuff on so it loosk a mess untill the final stage, i used to be annoyed at that as i would paint for hours and hours to get things to look good, but i dont mind now because surely if not the techniques used but the end product


also tau lend themselves to the technique well

Cammy good article find.. +1 Kudos to you, sir.

I think the post assumes that everyone who "dips" models does not bother to add detail.

I have several armies;
Tau - not dipped, but washed, weathered, etc.
Necrons - not dipped, special layering of metalics and shaded clear coats
Marines - not dipped, washed, weathered.
Nids - detailed, AND DIPPED!!

The dipping on the nids does a few things.

Is a great wash effect.
Actually transforms their base color into something amazing....
protects them
Makes the look "shiny' and "gooey". They LOOK like aliens that just hatched out of something vile.

I paint teeth, hooves, tongues, etc. then they are VERY CAREFULLY dipped....there is an art to doing it well.
Lastly, they are custom based.

I spent a LONG time working on their color scheme...trying about a dozen or so variations to achieve my final result. The dip I use combined with the very specific under colors produces an exceptionally rich color mixture when done.

For example, here is one of my models prior to the dip and final details.
He has about five different colors on him, and many details have been picked out.

here is is post dip and basing (forgive the blurry pics, it was late...).


My goal was to create a "chitin" like color on the shells similar to that of roaches.
(if you want bit of detail on the mal, check out my post on him Here


Now, it is also true, that you don't have to do much detail to still get a good look with dipping...nothing is wrong with this.
Its just another tool to get the job done.

mwnciboo wrote:I say everyone can give an opinion but "entitled" implies a knowledge, experience and fact based opinion. Not just an irrational response. To say everyone is "Entitled" to an opinion is to tolerate ....

I agree with you, I think in the USA we would say it differently (but mean the same thing). Everyone is entitled to have and speak their opinion, yes even the kkk, etc. However, some opinions have more value than others. Value being determined by professional status, experience with subject at hand, relationship to listener, etc.

cammy wrote:i have never dipped and i have always heard it refered to as the dipping of a unpainted or just undercoated model into a tub of paint and done.

This really gets to me. Dipping used with regular paint has never been a widely accepted definition of dipping, but it still seems to crop up here an there and skews conversations about dipping.

Dipping is the application of a stain (usually a stain/polyurethane combination) to a model that has had a basecoat and usually block painting already applied.

davethepak wrote:
The dipping on the nids does a few things.

Is a great wash effect.
Actually transforms their base color into something amazing....
protects them
Makes the look "shiny' and "gooey". They LOOK like aliens that just hatched out of something vile.

Very true, and it bears repeating that one of the best things about dipping, is that it is many things.
-A wash to darken colors and accent the crevases
-A Shading. When not over applied, dip settles gradually away from edges. Not a full painted shading (that takes many layers of paint) , but this progressive a shade effect which is one of the things that sets dip most apart from models that are clearly just block painted.
-A faux highlight. Because dip settles away from edges as mentioned above, when lighter colors are used it creates a highlight effect near the edges.
-Protects. Nothing like having a layer of polyurethane over your models.
-Shinyness. Good for nids, usually requires a matte spray for other models.

That's an awful lot of steps compressed and time saved for one technique. It's no wonder the dip is becoming so popular.

dont do it myself, but is a great thing to have in your toolbox!!!!

Its just another unofficial tequnique

Its a very useful technique to get large armies painted. I'd rather see a fully dipped army than an army where a few choice figures have had painstaking hours of painting done and the rest are grey plastic. I think there are some armies that lend themselves to dipping easier than others. I can't see it being a great technique with my Dark Eldar, though if anyone can prove me wrong I'd be very interested in seeing the results.

I have NEVER in 35 years experience heard of dipping as meaning the dipping of figures in paint.

For nearly 20 years, dipping (miracle dip) has been a widely known technique among historical players.

I can only assume that people who assume that dipping means dipping the models in raw paint are very new to wargaming and have not bothered to do any research on the topic.

Hopefully this thread will have informed people who had a mistaken idea about the subject, and they will now be able to try it out for themselves.

Agreed. Dakka -and only recently- is the only place that I've heard anyone refer to dipping as dipping a figure in paint.

I think it comes down to someone hearing "dipping" and making a huge assumption.

I gots no problem with dippin'! I don't do it too often, but anything 28mm and historical I dip. Mostly because you need so many figures for historical gaming.

Using the "dip method" actually gave me results that I wasn't embarassed about when I put my models on the table. It may not be for everyone, but it certainly works for me...

To be honest the only kind of dip I would ever consider using is Quickshade for tyranids, because it (as I heard) leaves a varnished "slimy" look.

Not interested in it in any other way though, I think I'll stick to brushes.

I dont care if you dip your models. I think its economical, not lazy and if you wanna do it...go for it. I wont do it because i prefer adding more detail and layering my colors, even for rank and file models. I realize not everyone is great at painting but if you keep cutting corners, even with rank and file models, I doubt your going to become a better painter anytime soon.

The dipped models look great but then you don't really give it the caring you would with other un-dipped models

dipping? isn't that some thing you do with french fries or chips

No seriously i don't really care how other people do their models if they're happy with them then fine
i don't dip my models

personally I prefer to not dip since it's obvious to notice and I do personally see it lazy but it does look good at times and it can be nice and quick compared to layers and washes.

I use spray paint when i find a color I like

If you purchase them, then you may do as you please with them. I have never denied nor will I ever deny a game with a player because of things like that. If he wants to dip, then so be it, at least the models will be painted and not grey.

Finally the live and let live mentality has won through. The democracy of popular intelligent opinion has won through and the verdict......

Who cares? do what makes you happy! If people don't like it well, so long it is not illegal who cares?

Live and let Live FTW

Nids only, IMO

Just dipped my Necron Lord and IMHO, it was pretty neat when all done and said. pics will be up soon of it dipped

I have no problem with it.

I've used Army Painter several times now and it is more versatile than people give it credit for. If you want a nice, clean consistent finish throughout your army, then dipping is the way to go. In fact I'm tempted to do it to my WoC army & experiment to see how far I can take the technique as the sole source of shading...

For example to get the best out of it I do block colours with some highlights & always brush it on, this way I have far more control over the amount of shading on the model and don't have to spend the time clearing off any excess - it takes a little longer than 'dipping and flicking' but is well worth the result. You can even add extra highlights once the dip coat is dry if you like & the matt varnish then blends it all together, I've even drybrushed onto a dipped surface and have had good results.

I'd never use it on Marines or any major flat surface models though - for me it simply doesn't look right.

To all the people who have put up pictures of their dipped models, two thumbs up, they all look quite good!

Haven't actually dipped myself, with one simple reason - I've yet to actually try it myself. I've improved my skills to a point I'm happy with the job I do on my current army (also my first army), and at the moment I'm hesitant to change my process.

Definately a technique I'll keep in mind, though, and that I will want to eventually try.

Here's my most recently dipped (minwax polyshades antique Walnut applied with a brush) models. A group of Gladiators from Urban-War/Metropolis Not the most amazing models by any stretch, but an excellent example of what an improvement the dip is for a block painted model and shows how well dip can work for skin, clothes and armor. I took extra care not to let too much extra dip pool in the crevases.The only other technique besides block painting and dip is drybrushed gunmetal guns and drybrushed tan over the dip on the hair/fur. They are sealed with cheap hardware store brand matte spray I'm really pleased with the results. and it was very easy.

Its a legit way to treat your moddels with, so I dont see the problem really.