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mwnciboo wrote:Why are some many people so intent on irrational and pointless hatred and discord.

Becasue the interwebz supports elitism via anonimity...

It is these people cheating and using store bought paints that really get to me... I go out and grind my own from rocks, plants, people and stuff...

No commitment at all.

Next you will all be saying that you are using models where you have not gone out and drilled for the oil to turn into the plastic they are made from!

To the abyss with anyone that tries to tell me what I should do with my property.

It may be a hobby to you but it's a game to many of us; you know, the whole point to own more than a few of any given model.

You want to take 2-4 hours per miniature, more power to you; I promise I won't call you a no-life loser that sits in the dark and plays constantly with little plastic army men, in exchange don't call me lazy for having a life and preferring to spend my time differently, out of doors, in the sun, neck sans beard.

agnosto wrote:To the abyss with anyone that tries to tell me what I should do with my property.

It may be a hobby to you but it's a game to many of us; you know, the whole point to own more than a few of any given model.

You want to take 2-4 hours per miniature, more power to you; I promise I won't call you a no-life loser that sits in the dark and plays constantly with little plastic army men, in exchange don't call me lazy for having a life and preferring to spend my time differently, out of doors, in the sun, neck sans beard.

Wins thread.

I've dipped an entire army of Ogre Kingdoms with excellent results and I am currently working on dipping my IG. With a masters to get, a wife to love, and a baby to care for, dipping gets a big

Edit: My Relevant Threads on dipped armies
Ogre Kingdoms
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/320092.page
Imperial Guard
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326196.page

I said that I wasn't going to post any comments for a year, but I had to join in with this discussion when I noticed it. Dipping is, in my opinion, THE way forwards for all hobbyists when painting armies. There's some things that you can do to make a dipped model look more technically painted, by using washes beforehand. But it is NOT a careless technique. It is very efficient for a start, and if you don't paint neatly, the dip won't save you. So it's good for hobbyists who are starting out - all you need to do is to be as neat as possible and you're on your way to a great looking army. You can spend hours (or even days) painting a model to a high quality, but repeat that 5 - 10 times and you're in for a long journey. I won't say much more, dipping is awesome FTW.

Dipped/washed to traditionally painted Imperial Guardmen comparison:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/123845-Cadians%2C%20Camouflage%2C%20Imperial%20Guard%2C%20Urban%2C%20Wasteland.html

A Tyranid painted with washes and drybrushing:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/93509-Cosmic%2C%20Tyranids.html

I'm going to make my first attempt to dipping with my IoB skaven. I think it will work quite good ^^

I guess it works better in some minis than others - I'm not trying it with my DE. I have no problem at all with other people's armies, it's not my bussines. Unpainted armies are boring tho. Dipped is certainly better than unpainted! The Nids of the arcticle linke in OP look great.

Nothing wrong with it. It can look very nice, if done properly.

I am more then ok with it...Whatever gets painted models on the table...some people but alot more effort into this game then others... For those who dont have the time..or dont want to put in the effort.. This is a good easy way for them to get good lookin models on the table without alot of work.

I chose "other" because I felt the poll had a bit too much of a negative bent against dipping. I haven't done it yet but fully intend to w/ my Traitor Guard / Cultist / whatever you have to call them for 5th Ed. Dipping is no different than any other technique that has come along in the evolution of the hobby, it's an available tool that can lend to the speedy completion of a good looking tabletop army, but it can also also help create some of the most crap models I've ever seen. Like any other technique, it takes practice and experimentation. Like any other technique, people that disagree with it will find things to complain about. My bottom line is if dipping helps you put a painted army on the table and you're happy w/ the results, then do it. If you feel it necessary to spend 8+ hours on each model, I'll see you and your IG army in 2017. Happy painting.

I love to take time with my models because I'm an artsy person, however when I realized that I have not been able to play more than 6 games (since I first started putting an army together nearly a year and a half ago) due to the time consuming hobby of painting I decided to buy Army Painter color primer and quickshade to get an army ready to go fast.

I just started putting a Tau Army together a week and a half ago and I have nearly 1500 points painted to a presentable manner (base coated with minimal detail) ready to be fielded.

I have ideas for dioramas and those I will paint every detail by hand, but I really want to play 40k instead of spending months of work before I am able to field an army.


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youthminister40k wrote:I've dipped an entire army of Ogre Kingdoms with excellent results and I am currently working on dipping my IG. With a masters to get, a wife to love, and a baby to care for, dipping gets a big

Edit: My Relevant Threads on dipped armies
Ogre Kingdoms
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/320092.page
Imperial Guard
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326196.page

Well I don't have a family of my own, but I can definitely sympathize with you. The Army eats up a lot of my personal life during the week (and sometimes the weekend!). It's also funny because I'm in the midst of assembling my Tau Army and there are models ALL OVER my room. My team leader walks in my room "...What's all the action figures for?" Haha, I love the comments on my hobby I get from my friends.

I've seen plenty of horribly painted models that have not been dipped. Many of those would have benefited from a dip.

I don't do it but I would rather play someone with dipped models then see someones crappily painted models that haven't been dipped.

I think anyone who comments on painting techniques should be required to post pictures of their own painting so we can judge their own technique.

I dont have a problem with dipping, it can actualy make for some interesting results.

I personaly wouldnt dip everything, but I do have a Nid army that is dipped, and the results are great! For all my other armies I paint, shade, and highlight the old fashioned way though.

While this is a pretty typical "I have an irrational opions"/"You're opinion is irrational" thread, it's a reminder exactly how bizarre many of our fellow hobbyists are.

Dipping in washes is ok-ish.

Dipping your whole army a solid color and then dipping them in a wash is heretical. No offense.

I wouldn't mind if they painted a rough 2 colors, and then dipped in a wash, but only dipping is lazy (in most cases.) and doesn't look that good.

You have misunderstood what "dipping is".

Dipping is derived from the term "Magic Dip", a technique developed in the 90s by historical wargamers, who typically need to paint hundreds of figures for an army.

It consists of painting the figures in base colours, then dipping them in a woodstain varnish. The excess varnish is flicked, spun or dobbed off.

When dry, the varnish both stains the figure like a wash, creating natural shading, and acts as varnish. If wanted, the figures are finished with matt.

I was raised with a different definition of dipping. By your definition, I wouldn't mind it... that much.

I would never do it myself, but I wouldn't mind people with huge armies and no free time to do it.

Dipping the whole model to actually paint it? that would look horrible

The Bringer wrote:I was raised with a different definition of dipping. By your definition, I wouldn't mind it... that much.

I would never do it myself, but I wouldn't mind people with huge armies and no free time to do it.

Non-dipped, left...........dipped, right

What's the problem?

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Dipping the whole model to actually paint it? that would look horrible

I've seen it, and every time I've heard dipping referred to, it is referring to that method... until now anyways.

You've been talking to the wrong people.

Magic Dip technique has been used for at least 15 years if not longer.

Don't honestly care if the opposing army is even painted.

Thanks for defining terms killcrazy. It is odd that some folks recently seem to think that dipping involves a miniature submerged in paint. I've never met anyone who has actually seen this method, but the "I heard that dipping is..." gets passed around like the telephone game.

The intense flash took away some depth of color but as you can see, easy peasy with satisfactory results.

I have no problem with dipping as some people are more 'gamers' or 'players' than painters. I've dipped 3 armies now. They were either just painted to sell on ebay or a commission army where the client wanted a low price. I'll never do it to a personal army that I play with not because I think its a short cut but because I'm a painter guy. I'd rather play against a poorly painted army any day of the week than plastic legion.

i just get sad when i se a model that is dippt.

Basic solid paint job



Paint on Dip with a tank brush



Finished with Dullcote to take away the Shine. Total time to paint 2 Dreads 6 hours with 24 hours drying time for Quickshade and a further 2 hours for the Dullcote (not bad for a weekend huh?)

These were painted using dip, quick and easy and gives a good effect, oh did i forget to mention it is a Varnish so it protects your paint job...I am going to keep posting examples until people begin to change their tune. Quickshade and dipping if done well can look good, so stop making generalisations like all "All people who dip are complete morons etc etc etc". If you don't like it, don't use it. Judge people if you want too, however when people return fire down the bearing don't start crying if they tear you a new A... I hope someone out there is producing an awesome army to make all the irrational fops jealous and get them to get off their high horse and mingle with the rest of us Dakkanauts...

They look dipped. A painted version looks better. I put in effort. You didn't. Thus my space wolves look better than your 'bear claws'.

He still put effort in, he just invested that effort in a different manner, that's like me saying, you washed thet, I did all the shading by hand, thus my army is supperior

What it comes down to is do you paint models or do you paint armies?