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Ascalam wrote:If the dragon hadn't been damaged first...

If the emperor's fluff wasn;t written by Imperium fanboys..

Lot of If

OK, so how about this:

Who, unagumented, unarmed and undressed is the baddest warrior

If Matt Ward has anything to do w/ it, a run-of-the mill Ultrasmurf Tac marine.

If anyone elses opinion has anything to do w/ it, probably either Valdor or Karandras.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060030&rootCatGameStyle=

Damn! check dem stats! (I don't know how much he costs though, so he could be a complete waste of points and terrible on the TT, but fluff-wise he owns).

Admittedly any of the phoenix lords would be a tough fight but id say either Asurmen or Barroth (in terms of phoenix lord)


Asurmen since the guy is a great swordsmen and he can remove guys from the field with the diresword

Barroth since you would never even see him let alone catch him hes already got amazing reactions even for a eldar and he flies even if it took days he could wear anyone down with his guns.


but anyway theres alot of good warriors out there and it does depend on luck and circumstance.

Lucius of course,he can't die.

Plus he has Fulgrims Laer sword,anything once owned by Fulgrim makes you epic.

Alphacerberus wrote:Admittedly any of the phoenix lords would be a tough fight but id say either Asurmen or Barroth (in terms of phoenix lord)


Asurmen since the guy is a great swordsmen and he can remove guys from the field with the diresword

Barroth since you would never even see him let alone catch him hes already got amazing reactions even for a eldar and he flies even if it took days he could wear anyone down with his guns.


but anyway theres alot of good warriors out there and it does depend on luck and circumstance.

It's Baharroth. But anyway, the best Pheonix Lord imho is Karandras or Jain Zar, even though she has possibly the worst model in the game. Then there's Maugan Ra, who isn't that good, but has such a sexy model....

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:Lucius of course,he can't die.

Plus he has Fulgrims Laer sword,anything once owned by Fulgrim makes you epic.

He can, since if you take no satisfaction, he will stay dead.

Ghazghkull Mag Ur Thraka...Nuff Said.

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:Lucius of course,he can't die.

Plus he has Fulgrims Laer sword,anything once owned by Fulgrim makes you epic.

he doesn't have Fulgrim's laer sword, the deamon thing which took Fulgrim's body has it and i believe it also has the Fireblade

Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

So just set a robot on him :0)

Or find someone emotionless (they do exist) to go after him..

I think it's only if you feel pleasure in his death. If you felt repugnance at killing him, or simply couldn't care less I doubt it would work

what if you simply don't notice that you turbo laser scattered onto him and vaporised him.

You would never even notice he was there.

Or you nuked the planet he happened to be on, all unaware

Exterminatus sometimes has a beneficial effect

I love how you didn't bother to put a Tyranid in the List of Epic Heroes, because i agree you can't make a TYranid a Hero in anyway but If you want to know who is the strongest Look no further than Old-one eye Rapid Regen, S 10 Crushing Claws and a Bitch of a model. No-one is better.

Also, a way to not care about killing Lucius would be if you accidentally stepped on him with your Imperator/Warmonger titan and just...didn't notice.

'Old-one eye Rapid Regen, S 10 Crushing Claws and a Bitch of a model.'

The last, possibly. When I still had him, and was assembling him he claimed more than a metaphorical pound of flesh with those lobster claws...

Fluffwise, he's not bad, but tends to be put down by 'Marines uber alles' like every xeno badass.

In play I've never really had much luck with him, when I still played nids..


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I'm assuming by 'bitch of a model' you mean 'bitch to assemble '

Kharn is displeased
as is Angron

Victorious against anyone
An unstoppable warrior-god
Leave none alive
Death to the foes of the Emperor!
Outrageously powerful
Route the Heretics!

I vote swarmlord

Grimnar
He's the best warrior out of a thousand crazy werewolf super soldiers
Nuff said.

im2randomghgh wrote:
He can, since if you take no satisfaction, he will stay dead.

Or Slaanesh will just resurrect Lucius anyway. It has the power to do so, it just prefers the irony of using Lucius' killer to bring him back.

Are we talking sheer battlefield effect or their skill relative to their means I.E. if Gaunt was an Astartes, he would probably be kicking more ass...


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
He can, since if you take no satisfaction, he will stay dead.

Or Slaanesh will just resurrect Lucius anyway. It has the power to do so, it just prefers the irony of using Lucius' killer to bring him back.

No, because when Slaaneshi Astartes die, Slaanesh tortures them for all eternity...and would probably prefer that to resurection.

I Agree, Dante

Lysander/Valdor/Sigismund

Tigerbones wrote:Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

It would kind of suck if he met his end at the hands of a Tyranid or Necron, being emotionless and all.

-Loki- wrote:

Tigerbones wrote:Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

It would kind of suck if he met his end at the hands of a Tyranid or Necron, being emotionless and all.

Well I think the whole emotion thing is just a methaphor.
Like how in Norse myth that Thor will die after he takes 9 steps away from Jormungandr.My friend just turns and say why not just stand still.
I think if a Tyranid did kill him or a Nercon he'd still be reborn.
GW were probably just trying to add poetic favour.

im2randomghgh wrote:
No, because when Slaaneshi Astartes die, Slaanesh tortures them for all eternity...and would probably prefer that to resurection.

Then how do you explain Lucius being resurrected so many times?

Fluff armour

Slaanesh likes sick kicks, so he's her favourite sitcom

Devastator wrote:Marneus Calgar

ultrasmurf -_-

I put Yarrick, simply because i am a guard fanboi, lol. But for me in the reality of it, is actually between Yarick and Mephiston, he has one of the best stat lines in the game, not to mention his pure badassery.


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I put Yarrick, simply because i am a guard fanboi, lol. But for me in the reality of it, is actually between Yarick and Mephiston, he has one of the best stat lines in the game, not to mention his pure badassery.

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Tigerbones wrote:Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

It would kind of suck if he met his end at the hands of a Tyranid or Necron, being emotionless and all.

Well I think the whole emotion thing is just a methaphor.
Like how in Norse myth that Thor will die after he takes 9 steps away from Jormungandr.My friend just turns and say why not just stand still.
I think if a Tyranid did kill him or a Nercon he'd still be reborn.
GW were probably just trying to add poetic favour.

It is not a metaphor, pleasure is what brings him back to ife, since slaanesh is his patron, and the god of pleasure. Things like Necrons are Anathema to the Prince of Pleasure.

im2randomghgh wrote:It is not a metaphor, pleasure is what brings him back to ife, since slaanesh is his patron, and the god of pleasure. Things like Necrons are Anathema to the Prince of Pleasure.

Slaanesh is what brings him back. It's power is the cause of his repeated resurrection, not any innate power of Lucius. A Necron might not find itself becoming Lucius, but Lucius could be resurrected by Slaanesh in other ways.