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Either Abaddon or a C'tan.

Adaddon, because in terms of raw power I would think would be on par with the Emperor. Given the fact Horus at similar power was able to put the Emperor into undeath in a fight, where if lore was official, Horus only lost because his armor was sabotaged by a loyalist armorsmith.

A C'tan as mentioned, is a being of such vast power they consume stars and as such have power beyond most mentioned heroes.

Some on the list like Farsight and several other heroes would most likely perish (if we are going based only on fluff) without a fight even be made. Despite super weapons etc..

Abaddon a supposed clone of horus who set the galaxy aflame!!!

Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

Melissia wrote:Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

And he didn't have to launch 13 unsuccessful campaigns. Sure it rocked the imperium but the Imperium still won.

um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

Melissia wrote:Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

Yeah I didn't think about that.

Horus prolly had a ton more strength. I'd still rank Abaddon pretty high though simply because he has to be stupid powerful to control all of the traitors or at least the bulk.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Melissia wrote:Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

Yeah I didn't think about that.

Horus prolly had a ton more strength. I'd still rank Abaddon pretty high though simply because he has to be stupid powerful to control all of the traitors or at least the bulk.

Then Creed definitely has more power!
Let us not forget that the greatest warriors sometimes don't have to fight. Not only that But The Space Wolves have Abbaddon beat.


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im2randomghgh wrote:um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

The emperor is just a scientist and he is descended from a thousand shamans that all died at the same time and created the Emperor.

Every single Gaunt's Ghost. Especially MkVenner and Mkoll.

Gotta go with Mr. Thraka. He da' 'ardest!

Asherian Command wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

The emperor is just a scientist and he is descended from a thousand shamans that all died at the same time and created the Emperor.

Ummm...are you forgetting that he single-handedly forged the imperium of man, he beat the warlords of Old Earth w/ very little help, and he was at the front of the Great Crusade, smiting all in his path? Atleast half the Primarchs challenged him duels when he claimed to be their father, and he always won. He used his psychic might to FORCE 100,000 Word Bearers, and their Primarch Lorgar, to kneel in the dust of a city loyal to the Word Bearers that was annihilated by the Ultramarines.


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Also, Castellan Vauban of the Jourdan Dragoons nearly killed Honsou in a duel, and Honsou only ended up winning because he broke Vauban using his Astartes physiology. Vauban also took off Honsou's arm.

Also, Gaunt, 'nuff said.


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BeefCakeSoup wrote:Either Abaddon or a C'tan.

Adaddon, because in terms of raw power I would think would be on par with the Emperor.

LEARN YOUR FLUFF! The Emperor is as powerful as chaos undivided, which means all the gods+all the entities not affiliated w/ the gods.

And he still got his ass handed to him by an Ork Warboss..


WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

im2randomghgh wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

The emperor is just a scientist and he is descended from a thousand shamans that all died at the same time and created the Emperor.

Ummm...are you forgetting that he single-handedly forged the imperium of man, he beat the warlords of Old Earth w/ very little help, and he was at the front of the Great Crusade, smiting all in his path? Atleast half the Primarchs challenged him duels when he claimed to be their father, and he always won. He used his psychic might to FORCE 100,000 Word Bearers, and their Primarch Lorgar, to kneel in the dust of a city loyal to the Word Bearers that was annihilated by the Ultramarines.

The Emperor is scientist and a really powerful Pysker. Thats All i believe the emperor is. He made the legions. And all sorts of other things.
He is not a god.
And Abbaddon is a failure.

Does anyone remember when fluff wasn't THIS fethed up?

When the Emperor was a dead human warlord, on a throne that was built AFTER he was beat down?

I honestly expect them to say 'oh and by the way, he was 90 ft tall..' officially some time, and the Golden Throne will suddenly expand. E's fluff seems to be something of a circlejerk among the BL writers.



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I also liked the marines as xenophobic, intolerant a-holes who's attitude towards xenos was to eradicate them, no questions asked, and who were as likely to get killed in the fluff as the guys they were fighting.

The RT art usually had marines being shot, stabbed, burned, violated... I miss that stuff. These days it's usually a school-photo action shot on a hill. with the chapter master at the too, and one (there's always one ) making a silly face.

Not a rant, so much as a remeniscence to better days..

Ascalam wrote:
I also liked the marines as xenophobic, intolerant a-holes who's attitude towards xenos was to eradicate them, no questions asked, and who were as likely to get killed in the fluff as the guys they were fighting.

REASONABLE MARINES!!!

What fools voted for lucius the eternal? He's horrible.


Abaddon. More powerful than horus himself? Sounds pretty cool.

Samus_aran115 wrote:What fools voted for lucius the eternal? He's horrible.


Abaddon. More powerful than horus himself? Sounds pretty cool.

So was Valdor, as Valdor actually BEAT Horus in a Sparring Match!

Samus_aran115 wrote:What fools voted for lucius the eternal? He's horrible.


Abaddon. More powerful than horus himself? Sounds pretty cool.

And yet it's false.

I would say Lucius is powerful, but he's not really a warrior in my mind-- not as much as some of the others. Yarrick's a better warrior than Lucius even if Lucius is potentially more powerful.

The emperor, i would say^^

C'Tan Nightbringer may be the mightiest warrior in the galaxy, but he can never be an Ultramarine.

He can pretend :0)

Why he'd want to be an untrasmurf defeats me though

Why isn't the Emperor on this list?

Because of all the fanboys?

He was a powerful warrior (especially is you read the redonculous BL books) but currently is a dead and withered parsnip in a big golden life support machine.
His ability to fight anyone right now unassisted (in the material world) is next to nil.

As to 'but he can singlehandedly feth up all four chaos gods' arguments, they're getting fed by the imperium way to well, to want to kill the golden goose

Horus isn't up there either

If we're going to include deity level powers i call Gork

The Emprah, not only because he is an UBER psyker, but because he defeated the Void Dragon (see: Mechanicum), who is the most powerful C'tan, more powerful than Nightbringer.

n3koj1n wrote:Captain Cortez. And I don't even play Spess Mareens.

He is the most badass for sure but maybe not the toughest.

But that's the thing, the greatest warrior isn't necessarily the strongest one... what makes a good warrior is more than just strength.

Melissia wrote:But that's the thing, the greatest warrior isn't necessarily the strongest one... what makes a good warrior is more than just strength.

Agreed. because if Marneus Calgar were unagmented, he wouldn't be all that great. If Gaunt had been a Custode, he would be insane/unstoppable.

If the dragon hadn't been damaged first...

If the emperor's fluff wasn;t written by Imperium fanboys..

Lot of If

OK, so how about this:

Who, unagumented, unarmed and undressed is the baddest warrior

According to the new fluff in the Grey Night Codex, I might just have to vote for Lord Kaldur Draigo. Walking through the Warp killing everything in sight is pretty BA...and for everyone saying the Emporer...didn't he get beat? So Horus must have him trumped.

Easily the Avatar, he doesn't have any weapons/equipment anyway besides the Wailing Doom, but does he really need that to kick butt? No.

I once had Kayvaan Shrike charge Ghaz and kill him before Ghaz could even strike back...

in all seriousness tho it all depends on whos dex you are reading...