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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:It is not a metaphor, pleasure is what brings him back to ife, since slaanesh is his patron, and the god of pleasure. Things like Necrons are Anathema to the Prince of Pleasure.

Slaanesh is what brings him back. It's power is the cause of his repeated resurrection, not any innate power of Lucius. A Necron might not find itself becoming Lucius, but Lucius could be resurrected by Slaanesh in other ways.

Lucius' special method is his only way of coming back, as CSMs are ALWAYS taken by their gods after they die and have horrific punishment heaped upon them for all eternity. Slaanesh would take MANY times more pleasure torturing him then wasting his/her/it's time resurrecting someone who had the ability to resurrect himself but sucked too bad to do so.

Also, Lucius is not special enough for Slaanesh to bother with, as there are probably more powerful noise marines than he. The only things I can see Slaanesh resurrecting are daemons and DPs, especially Fulgrim. Slaanesh, being the weakest (by far) CG, and wouldn't waste power resurrecting, when he/she/it can actually GAIN power by torturing Lucius' soul.

You all know Draigo is the best.

cgage00 wrote:You all know Draigo is the best.

Valdor Lysander Sigismund and each Primarch (other than Lorgar, he's a puss) could shred Draigo's soul.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Lucius' special method is his only way of coming back, as CSMs are ALWAYS taken by their gods after they die and have horrific punishment heaped upon them for all eternity. Slaanesh would take MANY times more pleasure torturing him then wasting his/her/it's time resurrecting someone who had the ability to resurrect himself but sucked too bad to do so.

Lucius doesn't come back by his own power. He is not a Psyker, certainly not one of that power. It is Slaanesh that brings back (not sure whether or not you use Lexicanum as a reliable source, but that agrees with me).
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Also, Lucius is not special enough for Slaanesh to bother with, as there are probably more powerful noise marines than he. The only things I can see Slaanesh resurrecting are daemons and DPs, especially Fulgrim. Slaanesh, being the weakest (by far) CG, and wouldn't waste power resurrecting, when he/she/it can actually GAIN power by torturing Lucius' soul.

Why is Kharn not on this list?

I'm inclined to discount gods, daemons and avatars since war and conflict is what they ARE, rather than what they practice. To me "Greatest Warrior" says they have developed great leadership and skill at arms.

Therefore, I'm going with Leleth Hesperax, since she commands both traits with considerable style. Calgar and Grimnar are the finest warrior-generals, Castellan Crowe and Mephiston are probably the greatest martial artists (in the Imperium), and Thraka and Abbadon are probably neck-and-neck for the highest body count. Yet, none of them put on as great of a show as Leleth.

cgage00 wrote:You all know Draigo is the best.

Who is this "Draigo?"
Aside from the duels with Mortarion and that other daemon prince, the rest of his legend takes place in the Warp, where force of will and clarity of purpose are the main instruments that bring about an effect. I'll give him props for endurance, though Crowe still has him beat for weapon skill, and matches him for resisting corruption.

....any one can kill a demon prince

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Lucius' special method is his only way of coming back, as CSMs are ALWAYS taken by their gods after they die and have horrific punishment heaped upon them for all eternity. Slaanesh would take MANY times more pleasure torturing him then wasting his/her/it's time resurrecting someone who had the ability to resurrect himself but sucked too bad to do so.

Lucius doesn't come back by his own power. He is not a Psyker, certainly not one of that power. It is Slaanesh that brings back (not sure whether or not you use Lexicanum as a reliable source, but that agrees with me).
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Also, Lucius is not special enough for Slaanesh to bother with, as there are probably more powerful noise marines than he. The only things I can see Slaanesh resurrecting are daemons and DPs, especially Fulgrim. Slaanesh, being the weakest (by far) CG, and wouldn't waste power resurrecting, when he/she/it can actually GAIN power by torturing Lucius' soul.

Lucius benefits Slaanesh while living by the emotions he feels. The excess he experiences strengthens Slaanesh in the same way the blood Kharn sheds strengthens Khorne.

Write-in Vote for Lysander, he's pretty much a bad

Makari the grot

I chose Vect but he's not on here because he's six thousand years old and still kicking names and taking ass.

Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Ghazzy disagrees

I've broken Avatars of Khaine over his mega-armoured knee in many games. It would take the destruction on the craftworld to put him permanantly of of action, but he can be beat down.

Hell, i've killed him with a big mek before that accidentally shot himself into close combat with Burny Mc Biceps


As pointed out above a God (Nightbringer) beats Demigod any day

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

bob the heretic wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

The avatar of Khaine is a fraction of a god. Probably closer to a DP in fluff power.

The Emperor isn't on this list

He beat the Void Dragon, who is the most powerful C'tan, in combat with almost no damage done to him...He destroyed Horus...Mind, Body, and Soul...He single-handedly united the warlords of Terra and created the Imperium...He created custodes...He created Astartes...He led the GC...He single-handedly holds the CG out of the Materium w/o help, after having died...the list goes on...

'Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain '

No, he's the God of Death

And the reason that every single race (except the orks for some reason) is afraid of death.


The reason that Big E isn't on here is the rather depressing tendency of the fluffwriters to bend at the knees and worship him every chance they get, or at least I hope so.

Also bear in mind that most of the Emperor's deeds are so long ago that they are legends, and have since been maginified The doink got owned (not killed, but very nearly so) by a run of the mill Warboss also, remember

(Added note (unless they retconned this too).. Horus pretty much destroyed the Emperor also, and would have if the Emperor didn't finally summon up the dregs of his will to frazzle him. I'm sure they make it out as a lot more onesided in recent fluff, but in the older stuff i grew up on the Emperor was Horus's chewtoy for most of the battle

The Avatar of Khaine is a tiny fragment of the original, along with thousands of other on other craftworlds and settlements. He isn't Khaine anymore, just a travel-sized version of him that's low on batteries

bob the heretic wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

my night bringer has ALWAYS owned the Avatar of Khain in less then a turn

Ascalam wrote:
The reason that Big E isn't on here is the rather depressing tendency of the fluffwriters to bend at the knees and worship him every chance they get, or at least I hope so.

So random aliens can be that powerful, but the amalgamation of hundreds or thousands of Shaman can't?

Also bear in mind that most of the Emperor's deeds are so long ago that they are legends, and have since been maginified The doink got owned (not killed, but very nearly so) by a run of the mill Warboss also, remember

The same could be said for any of them, especially the C'tan. As for the Warboss, he most certainly was not 'run of the mill'. We don't know how powerful he was, but he led a truly massive empire, one that may well have threatened the Great Crusade.

(Added note (unless they retconned this too).. Horus pretty much destroyed the Emperor also, and would have if the Emperor didn't finally summon up the dregs of his will to frazzle him. I'm sure they make it out as a lot more onesided in recent fluff, but in the older stuff i grew up on the Emperor was Horus's chewtoy for most of the battle

As far as I know, that was always due to his compassion and belief that Horus could be saved. It took the brutal killing of a Guardsman\Imperial Fist\Custodes to make him realise just how damned Horus was, at which point the Emperor promptly annihilated Horus mind and soul
The Avatar of Khaine is a tiny fragment of the original, along with thousands of other on other craftworlds and settlements. He isn't Khaine anymore, just a travel-sized version of him that's low on batteries

'So random aliens can be that powerful, but the amalgamation of hundreds or thousands of Shaman can't?
'

It's more the 'and then the emperor smacked him down, the end..' crap that always ends the story. How about him losing occasionally (warboss excluded) and backing off to lick his wounds.

I have no issue with him being uber, although the shaman-summoned fluff is crap IMO, but he ought to not just handwave an autowin in every story 'after a mighty battle..'

Re- the Warboss Incident:

Given that the Great Crusade started with just one system, and slowly grew who knows how big it was at the time? ork Waaaghs can be massive, and still be under a warboss rather than a green demigod If it was soon after leaving Earth (likely, given that orks are all over the galaxy and the imperium didn't exist yet) the Crusade probably wasn't that huge, and was more eailiy threatened..

As to the Ctan it is known, not rumored that they were as powerful as they were, pre their long sleep. Records exist from the time. The current incarnations are much like the Avatat of Khaine in that they are a vastly weakened remnant of the original.

I take it that's the current rewrite of the fluff, then. I remember reading the account of the battle in WD back a few editions where horus was beating him to pulp, partly due to the emperor's not wanting to destroy him i grant you, but mainly due to the fact theat horus was absolutely beastly in CC.

It was seeing a random terminator (in this story) attacking him and being anihillated with a casual thought that made E realize that Horus was too far gone, and H was distracted for the tiny period of time it took to fry the mook over easy that gave E an opening to basically empty the last of his power into blasting Horus. I'll have to see if i can find the story, because it sounds miles better than the current attempts at story writing.

Ascalam wrote:'So random aliens can be that powerful, but the amalgamation of hundreds or thousands of Shaman can't?
'

It's more the 'and then the emperor smacked him down, the end..' crap that always ends the story. How about him losing occasionally (warboss excluded) and backing off to lick his wounds.

I have no issue with him being uber, although the shaman-summoned fluff is crap IMO, but he ought to not just handwave an autowin in every story 'after a mighty battle..'

Re- the Warboss Incident:

Given that the Great Crusade started with just one system, and slowly grew who knows how big it was at the time? ork Waaaghs can be massive, and still be under a warboss rather than a green demigod If it was soon after leaving Earth (likely, given that orks are all over the galaxy and the imperium didn't exist yet) the Crusade probably wasn't that huge, and was more eailiy threatened..

As to the Ctan it is known, not rumored that they were as powerful as they were, pre their long sleep. Records exist from the time. The current incarnations are much like the Avatat of Khaine in that they are a vastly weakened remnant of the original.

I take it that's the current rewrite of the fluff, then. I remember reading the account of the battle in WD back a few editions where horus was beating him to pulp, partly due to the emperor's not wanting to destroy him i grant you, but mainly due to the fact theat horus was absolutely beastly in CC.

It was seeing a random terminator (in this story) attacking him and being anihillated with a casual thought that made E realize that Horus was too far gone, and H was distracted for the tiny period of time it took to fry the mook over easy that gave E an opening to basically empty the last of his power into blasting Horus. I'll have to see if i can find the story, because it sounds miles better than the current attempts at story writing.

With the green demi-god thing, it kinda was. This Ork was the most poweful ever encountered by the IoM. He was described not as a warboss, not as a warlord, but as an Ork OVERLORD!!!

They invented a title for him.

For the big E wavin' his hand and getting an autowin, he has been known to hold all four CG out of the materium at the same time. If even one got through, it would likely be enough to destroy the galaxy. That's how powerful he is. And khorne, who is weaker than Him, is "able to smite world's with a single blow" (rough C:CD quote)

He beat the mightiest C'tan.

HE KILLZ EVRYTIN!

and also it was Horus/Abbadon who fought the Ork Overlord.

'For the big E wavin' his hand and getting an autowin, he has been known to hold all four CG out of the materium at the same time. If even one got through, it would likely be enough to destroy the galaxy. That's how powerful he is. And khorne, who is weaker than Him, is "able to smite world's with a single blow" (rough C:CD quote)

He beat the mightiest C'tan.

HE KILLZ EVRYTIN!
'
Voila- autowin..

Correction- even assuming you're right: KILLD everything He's a corpse. His physical combat skills are zero right now, and there's no conclusive proof to show that he's even home any more

If he could hold off all four chaos gods with little problem it just highlights the problem i have with the 'Emprah is best' club.

If he's that frickin' powerful how come he can't handwave the eye of terror away, evaporate the chaos gods, benchpress the Ork race and simultaneously invent a low-fat snack that builds muscles with no effort

oh wait, he already did on the last one...

If he's powerful enough to make legions kneel and chaos gods grovel then why does he even need a home fleet or the Golden Throne? How come Terra was trashed during the Horus Heresy, right up to his Palace's gates?

also, just so you know, orks use the term Overlord, overfiend, arch-lunatic etc without it meaning demigod Titles are personal taste for orks


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A thought also- wasn't the Dragon critically injured already, on top of being depleted from aeons in its tomb? I'm sure that I read that somewhere.

Not much of a victory then Try it again vs a full strength Ctan


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Ascalam wrote:'For the big E wavin' his hand and getting an autowin, he has been known to hold all four CG out of the materium at the same time. If even one got through, it would likely be enough to destroy the galaxy. That's how powerful he is. And khorne, who is weaker than Him, is "able to smite world's with a single blow" (rough C:CD quote)

He beat the mightiest C'tan.

HE KILLZ EVRYTIN!
'
Voila- autowin..

Correction- even assuming you're right: KILLD everything He's a corpse. His physical combat skills are zero right now, and there's no conclusive proof to show that he's even home any more

If he could hold off all four chaos gods with little problem it just highlights the problem i have with the 'Emprah is best' club.

If he's that frickin' powerful how come he can't handwave the eye of terror away, evaporate the chaos gods, benchpress the Ork race and simultaneously invent a low-fat snack that builds muscles with no effort

oh wait, he already did on the last one...

If he's powerful enough to make legions kneel and chaos gods grovel then why does he even need a home fleet or the Golden Throne? How come Terra was trashed during the Horus Heresy, right up to his Palace's gates?

also, just so you know, orks use the term Overlord, overfiend, arch-lunatic etc without it meaning demigod Titles are personal taste for orks


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A thought also- wasn't the Dragon critically injured already, on top of being depleted from aeons in its tomb? I'm sure that I read that somewhere.

Not much of a victory then Try it again vs a full strength Ctan

The C'tan WAS at full strength, it was active and on Terra during the early terran middle-ages, the Emperor smote it. He F***ING KNOCKED IT TO MARS!

The Ork was classified as an Overlord by the IoM, not a self-given title. It was reported to be (w/o armour) considerably larger than a Dreadnought.

The Emperor is the most powerful being in existence (or inexistence, in the case of the CGs) but obviously all the other beings together are more powerful. And, not being a TRUE god, the Emperor cannot be omni-present. Just when he IS present, he auto-wins.


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And he will own during the Wolf-Time.

Firstly- no it wasn't. A C'tan at full strength considers a sun a light snack and is a vast energy being larger than a planet. Its powers are literally stated as godlike. (necron codex)

They can ignore reallity at will and phase through objects as if they aren't even there. Being punted physically into Mars from Earth wouldn't even phase one. At worst it would rupture the Necrodermis shell (assuming the Ctan allowed itself to impact the surface instead of coast clean through it. A C'tan is a starfaring entity, so why would being knocked to mars bother it?

It can walk through anything, so how is it trappable, unless it wants to be. It can (if its powers are anything like the Nightbringer at it's worst (the novel Nightbringer) teleport/travel at obscene speed through space.

I believe the Dragon also had several Blackstone fortresses beating it down at some point prior to this, greviously wounding it? Doesn't sound like full strength to me.

(side note- the fluff writer, as well as being a Fanboi, has no grasp of history, since it says that all this happened in the time of Emperor Diocletian. There's about a 1000 year difference between that and the middle ages The passage inthe book is related as being a symbolic vision rather than literal fact, from what I remember

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian )


The Emperor's light is specifically stated in the rulebook as fading, the Golden Throne is malfunctioning way beyond the capacity of the Mechanicus to repair, and the Emperor is no longer responding to 'prayer' from his subjects. The imperium is specifically mentioned as being doomed if the throne fails, which it is currently doing. Even if he WAS the most powerful being in existence (I doubt it, but each to their own) I doubt he is now.


'Wolf Time? I know the reference to Nordic myth, but i'm drawing a blank on any fluff by this name, and so is Lexicanum. Care to elaborate?


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bob the heretic wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

Nightbringer is the god of death.

Ascalam wrote:

Firstly- no it wasn't. A C'tan at full strength considers a sun a light snack and is a vast energy being larger than a planet. Its powers are literally stated as godlike. (necron codex)

They can ignore reallity at will and phase through objects as if they aren't even there. Being punted physically into Mars from Earth wouldn't even phase one. At worst it would rupture the Necrodermis shell (assuming the Ctan allowed itself to impact the surface instead of coast clean through it. A C'tan is a starfaring entity, so why would being knocked to mars bother it?

It can walk through anything, so how is it trappable, unless it wants to be. It can (if its powers are anything like the Nightbringer at it's worst (the novel Nightbringer) teleport/travel at obscene speed through space.

I believe the Dragon also had several Blackstone fortresses beating it down at some point prior to this, greviously wounding it? Doesn't sound like full strength to me.

(side note- the fluff writer, as well as being a Fanboi, has no grasp of history, since it says that all this happened in the time of Emperor Diocletian. There's about a 1000 year difference between that and the middle ages The passage inthe book is related as being a symbolic vision rather than literal fact, from what I remember

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian )


The Emperor's light is specifically stated in the rulebook as fading, the Golden Throne is malfunctioning way beyond the capacity of the Mechanicus to repair, and the Emperor is no longer responding to 'prayer' from his subjects. The imperium is specifically mentioned as being doomed if the throne fails, which it is currently doing. Even if he WAS the most powerful being in existence (I doubt it, but each to their own) I doubt he is now.


'Wolf Time? I know the reference to Nordic myth, but i'm drawing a blank on any fluff by this name, and so is Lexicanum. Care to elaborate?


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I forget what book it was-(I think it was either a BT or IF book) stated that each and every loyal chapter beleives in an after-battle (liike wolf-time) and wolf-time was the only referrence to it who's name I remembered.

The Emperor's light is fading because he has single-handedly held His Imperium together for 10,000 years after death. And if you know of the Illuminati, then you know he might just come back full strength.

The black stone fortresses fought it hundreds of thousands of years ago-and necrodermis heals fast.

It was trapped by the Emperor's will, psychic might, and by his appointed guardians.

The C'tan don't consider a sun a light snack-they consider it a feast that lasts hundreds or thousands of years.

It obviously isn't bigger than a planet since:
A-Nightbringer is fairly small for a god (if you think about it)
B-In the Necrodermis shell they are much smaller than when they are energy beings.
C-It was trapped in the Noctis Labrynthus, on Mars, without anyone actually knowing.

The big E's powers are also stated as God-like so that argument is moot.

It wasn't punted physically-It was punted phychically.

Why is Marbo not in this list?!

Ascalam wrote:
It's more the 'and then the emperor smacked him down, the end..' crap that always ends the story. How about him losing occasionally (warboss excluded) and backing off to lick his wounds.

Well, he backed off to the Golden Throne to lick his wounds for 10,000 years. Is that not enough?

I have no issue with him being uber, although the shaman-summoned fluff is crap IMO, but he ought to not just handwave an autowin in every story 'after a mighty battle..'

You'd rather he was just some random Psyker? On the other hand, either he's stronger than everyone else, or something else is stronger than everyone else. I don't really see a big difference.

Given that the Great Crusade started with just one system, and slowly grew who knows how big it was at the time? ork Waaaghs can be massive, and still be under a warboss rather than a green demigod If it was soon after leaving Earth (likely, given that orks are all over the galaxy and the imperium didn't exist yet) the Crusade probably wasn't that huge, and was more eailiy threatened..

He's discovered at least one Primarch, and I've heard it was the turning point of the Great Crusade. It was a very powerful Empire from all accounts I've heard.

As to the Ctan it is known, not rumored that they were as powerful as they were, pre their long sleep. Records exist from the time. The current incarnations are much like the Avatat of Khaine in that they are a vastly weakened remnant of the original.

Those records are mostly legend and myth. They're not really reliable. On the other hand, apparently they can eat stars, which is admittedly quite impressive. They're powerful no doubt, but who knows just how powerful.

I take it that's the current rewrite of the fluff, then. I remember reading the account of the battle in WD back a few editions where horus was beating him to pulp, partly due to the emperor's not wanting to destroy him i grant you, but mainly due to the fact theat horus was absolutely beastly in CC.

The fluff's the same. It's just a question of how easily you view the Emperor as having used that psychic power, and whether or not it left any permanent affects on him.

'It obviously isn't bigger than a planet since:
A-Nightbringer is fairly small for a god (if you think about it)
B-In the Necrodermis shell they are much smaller than when they are energy beings.
C-It was trapped in the Noctis Labrynthus, on Mars, without anyone actually knowing. '



The natural form of a ctan is an energy being larger than a planet. This is specified in the codex. The Necrodermis is a suit to focus them down to a level where they can interact with other beings, and seems to be about 15 ft tall, more or less by the Ctan's choice.

'Those records are mostly legend and myth. They're not really reliable. On the other hand, apparently they can eat stars, which is admittedly quite impressive. They're powerful no doubt, but who knows just how powerful.'

The eldar records were laid down at the time. They are probably a lot better than myth, though still not as good as observation directly of the Ctan at full strength by a contemporary viewer. They are kept in the black library.

'Well, he backed off to the Golden Throne to lick his wounds for 10,000 years. Is that not enough? '

Given that people keep arging that he's using the time to benchpress khorne while dropkicking tzeentch over nurgle not really. Especially since the fluff is edging towards him being reborn/having planned this all along/etc..



'The fluff's the same. It's just a question of how easily you view the Emperor as having used that psychic power, and whether or not it left any permanent affects on him. '

The fluff on the emperor's battle is similar. The difference is the emphasis.Was the emperor fending off Horus, unwilling to hurt him or was he getting mulched and made a last ditch, desperate attack.. very different story

Ascalam wrote:
The eldar records were laid down at the time. They are probably a lot better than myth, though still not as good as observation directly of the Ctan at full strength by a contemporary viewer. They are kept in the black library.

The Eldar were using swords. It's never said, to my knowledge, that they actually had any sophisticated technology or way to make records at the time they facing the C'tan and the Necrons.

Given that people keep arging that he's using the time to benchpress khorne while dropkicking tzeentch over nurgle not really. Especially since the fluff is edging towards him being reborn/having planned this all along/etc..

Fair enough. I wouldn't really say he's quite that powerful, but possibly more powerful in a different way; whereas the Chaos Gods have their power disperse through hordes of Daemon's and fight each other, the Emperor primarily focusses on relatively few tasks. I don't really think the fluff is implying he may have planned for this myself. Reborn, maybe, but it's likely something will keep his power in check or be powerful enough to counter it.

The fluff on the emperor's battle is similar. The difference is the emphasis.Was the emperor fending off Horus, unwilling to hurt him or was he getting mulched and made a last ditch, desperate attack.. very different story

Personally I quite enjoy the idea of a human being the biggest power in the galaxy. It makes a bit of a change to "oh, this species are better than humans in every way, albeit a tad arrogant" and "the humans can't possibly match their numbers and bloodlust" stereotypes that seem to permeate fantasy and to an extent science-fiction (or maybe just science-fantasy - never really understand the distinction myself; surely science-fantasy comes under science-fiction?).

Ascalam wrote:
Also bear in mind that most of the Emperor's deeds are so long ago that they are legends, and have since been maginified The doink got owned (not killed, but very nearly so) by a run of the mill Warboss also, remember

Run of the mill as in the greatest warboss ever encountered by Man, making Ghazgkhull look like a Grot? Seriously, that much Waaagh!-energy can't be good if you're reliant on psychic power to kill people...

im2randomghgh wrote:
Kharn has no inv. save. Insta-death by railgun.

Read the rules, try again.