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This is no big surprise, as they're keeping the trend of every four years with a new rule set. Next year October is where I'll place my money when we see sixth. Here's to hoping they make str 5 and less defensive weapons again.

CSM in a starter set?

My heart just skipped a beat.

Here's hoping that CSM also gets a 6th edition update early on

Kanluwen wrote:You mean Alessio Cavatore.

He's come out repeatedly to say that "Gav just put himself out there" as the target for the hate, and that it was Alessio's ideas.

I consider Allessio Thorpe Gavatore to be one composite beast made of equal parts "Bad", "Derp" and "Jervis".

Seriously? 5th edition hasn't even been around for 3 years yet... IMO rumors relating to 6th edition are completely unfounded.

oni wrote:Seriously? 5th edition hasn't even been around for 3 years yet... IMO rumors relating to 6th edition are completely unfounded.

I'd like to believe that too. Unfortunately, GW seems to think that cranking out new and mostly unnecessary editions every few years is a better way to make money than putting the work into a solid, enduring system and updating tired old models and codices made invalid by the dreaded creep.

Yeah, thats how I'm looking at it. Hasn't it nearly been two years for a new edition now for the last four releases?

Need to go look that up.

Ya space marines vs chaos space marines would make a nice box set

Yep, and near enough for the two editions previous as well.

40K 3rd 1998
Fantasy 6th 2000
40K 4th 2004
Fantasy 7th 2006
40K 5th 2008
Fantasy 8th 2010

Tau versus Chaos Space Marines


You heard it here first, folks

Vladsimpaler wrote:Tau versus Chaos Space Marines


You heard it here first, folks

Assuming the rumour is true there will not be any xenos. Though it is a bad idea to belive such an early rumour.

I believe they wil place xenos on the box. My bet is CSM vs Eldar.
Maybe they try a "big Space Marines box" and come with CSM vs Marines (pretty Marine army in a box)
I dont believe they would make a GK vs something, cause that would mean "cheap" Gk, and they dont want that...

I could care less what's in the starter box.

Please, oh please don't feth up the rules!!

They are great now, just make some minor, minor changes. Don't feth up a good thing, GW!!!!!

CSM. Funny you should mention that.
I was up at nottingham gs this weekend and while they are all raving about Grey knights and the current / pending easter push of a GK storyline event planned , I overheard a conversation in bugmans that related to CSM and that new models were been planned.

yummy

I don't care that much about the starter; the only thing I'd like to see is a ground-up rebuilding of the rules. Miniature gaming has changed a lot since 40k was born, and I'd like to see the game reflect that. Also, if the BRB is $74 or something, I may just starting looking at WM or Malifaux (Not that I'm gonna sell my Space Marines...).

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I don't care that much about the starter; the only thing I'd like to see is a ground-up rebuilding of the rules. Miniature gaming has changed a lot since 40k was born, and I'd like to see the game reflect that.

It does.

5th is absolutely nothing like 1st or 2nd, and barely resembles 3rd.

I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

I think I'd rather have it Player 1 moves, Player 2 moves, Player 1 shoots, etc

Don't count on it. That is such a fundamental change that it would require all codecies to be rewritten.

Also, alternate squad activation games take much longer than IGOUGO systems. A game of 40K using the size armies we use now would take several hours longer to play.

I like the system as it is. The rules are excellent now, and only minor changes are needed to tune it up, IMO.

I wouldn't mind a supplement for small sized games with alternate unit activation, but for the core rules, the game kicks butt now.

That actually makes sense from a $$$ perspective. Make it hero/elitehammer, nerf other options, and encourage more multi-army collections to further boost hero sales. Still shorten up game time as well. Huh.

Mad4Minis wrote:

grizgrin wrote:Can't do anything but agree ...Christ I hope that isnt the way of things to come.

Plausible.

A return to a more skirmish level game with smaller armies (and lower relative cost per army) would also allow people to collect more armies. Something more like the scale of early 40k editions, but with all the special powers and hoopla of current editions.

Like you said, more hero kits, say along the lines of the CSM T Lord and SM commander, would replace large scale vehicle kit sales. Maybe with a bit more customizing options in the kits. Another smart idea, as those kits are cheaper and easier to make, ship, and stock than larger vehicles.

If typical army composition of a HQ, 1/2 troops, 1/2 elites or SC would make the game smaller and armies cheaper to collect. This would help draw in more players. Sticker shock might still be there for the kits, but the need for less of them to play the game would ease it. It would also be encouraging to people to do multiple armies.

A good indication of the possibility of them going hero/elitehammer is the latest kits out. Look at all the bits and options in things like the Wolf Guard and GK terminator boxes. The new GK PA marines are also pretty optioned up. The description of the GK brother-Captain also hints at a bunch of options in that kit too.

Id be quite interested if they went along those lines.


They could do a minor rehash of Apoc and move most of the vehicles and large numbers of more low end troops to that.

ZhufortheImpaler wrote:The crystal ball tells me it could be

NECRONS vs IG

That would be refreshing

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

This was tested by GW in the runup to Codex: Cityfight and they ultimately found it cumbersome. I'd be surprised if they implemented it now.

Fetterkey wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:I guess what I really mean is: I'd like to see turns be "I activate a unit, you activate a unit, I activate a unit..." rather than IGOUGO.

This was tested by GW in the runup to Codex: Cityfight and they ultimately found it cumbersome. I'd be surprised if they implemented it now.

They found it cumbersome, yet many, many other games use it to great effect. Often these games play faster (and in my opinion cleaner) than the current edition of 40K as well.

Honestly, I'm not expecting any great changes. The game has barely changed at all since 3rd edition.

Considering 5th edition has been incredibly popular (no idea of numbers/dollars etc but I suspect its the most successful edition they have done) I just expect to see a continuation of the same design ethos that has been dominate since 5th arrived. I certainly don't expect them to start altering the core mechanics of the game by changing to activation style game or anything along those lines. 5th edition is a totally different game to 4th, and orders of magnitude different again from 3rd and 2nd. The most basic mechanics of the game are still mostly the game (use of dice, turn structure etc) but they are what make Warhammer Warhammer.

I expect to see some streamlining of the wound allocation rules and possibly some minor tweaks to things like the vehicle damage rules/charts and combat res. The most notable change I'm expecting (well hoping) to see is an overhaul of the outdated Force Organisation Chart to a combined percentage + limits based system similar to Fantasy. This would serve a dual purpose of allowing the game to scale more effectively both for lower point beginners games and larger tournament level games (and beyond) while also eliminating some of the spam aspects of the game (as you wouldn't be able to totally overload on duplicate units). I also wouldn't be surprised to see an integration of Apocalypse into the main 40k ruleset as well as proper rules for fliers (which have showed up in every codex since IG so its certainly heading that way).

Starter set wise I could understand if Nilla Marines don't make it in, but would be very surprised if there is no power armour based army. Its almost guaranteed that its going to be Imperial "Good Guys"' vs Xenos "Bad Guys" (from a thematic point of view if nothing else, its important from a sales POV when doing demo games for potential players), but they could do something more unusual like Eldar or Tau vs Chaos Marines. However its very hard to make any kind of prediction on this, while the likes of Eldar, Tau, Necons, Sisters and Chaos are all in the line for getting an update there is nothing to suggest that the contents of the starter set will have any relation to the codices expected to be updated around that time.

”By the end of the next Olympics we will treated to 6th ed Warhammer 40k”
Now that is something that people that follow GW trends have suspected for awhile. So really that is not that earth shattering. What makes 6thed potentially earth shattering is the version of AoBR we will get. For the first time ever neither Xenos, the Warriors of Roboute Guilliman, or the Sledgehammer of the Emperor will be chosen to fill the starter box.

Xenos=Eldar, Dark Eldar (All them pointy ear bastards are Xenos), Ork, Nids

Xenos maybe=necrons, maybe not? Are Necrons Xenos?

Warriors of Guilliman undeniably means codex marines, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels as all of their chapters are set up under Guilliman's rules. Some people are saying it doesn't apply to Black Templars, but if it doesn't apply to black templars because of how they are organized then it doesn't apply to space wolves or grey knights either.

Sledgehammer of the Emperor=IG

That only leaves Chaos Deamons, Chaos space marines, and Sisters of battle as 100% kosher under those rules. With a more liberal interpretation of warriors of Guilliman it could also include grey knights, black templars, or space wolves.

I don't see them doing CSM versus another MEQ army. 2 MEQ armies=boring starter box. The 2 armies need to be very different.

My personal bet is Sisters versus Chaos space marines as they will probably be the 2 most recently released armies when 6th ed comes out. Also it's one of the most dramatic combinations of armies for making cool artwork for the box cover.

Reecius wrote:I could care less what's in the starter box.

Please, oh please don't frack up the rules!!

They are great now, just make some minor, minor changes. Don't frack up a good thing, GW!!!!!

+1 to this. 5th ed is fantastic. It took about a year for us all to adjust... but this is a great edition.

I do however want to see them redo fantasy... 9th edition may come out in 2012 to help with the fact fantasy sales have dropped all over the US


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oh yea... and Blood of Kittens is an aweful site where people just bitch alot. Not worth reading and horribly set up

It makes a lot of sense for SoB and CSM to be in the next starter box. Aren't they the two armies with the most metal models (in SoB case, the ENTIRE army is metal), and haven't received any new kits in years?

AresX8 wrote:It makes a lot of sense for SoB and CSM to be in the next starter box. Aren't they the two armies with the most metal models (in SoB case, the ENTIRE army is metal), and haven't received any new kits in years?

I'm sitting here now painting my sisters again... only the rhino/immo kit is plastic... the exorcists is half plastic half metal....

I'd like to see him redone in plastic for sure... but it'd be sisters vs marines...

AresX8 wrote:It makes a lot of sense for SoB and CSM to be in the next starter box. Aren't they the two armies with the most metal models (in SoB case, the ENTIRE army is metal), and haven't received any new kits in years?

Gw doesn't like metal models. They are harder to stock, more difficult to work with for the consumer, and most importantly blister packs are easier to steal from a store. Plastics are better for gw's bottom line.

here's a though (which may have already been voiced):

what was the rumor mill saying prior to the release of AOBR? how many folks were predicting Orks and Marines?

my money is on 1 (and only 1) MEQ army (i HOPE it's CSM...) and one non-MEQ army. Guard would be nice, but i don't see how they could pull that off without including a vehicle, which i don't see happening. Sisters would be nice, and offer a good contrast to CSM, but there is the issue of level of detail. though, the AOBR, IOB and Space Hulk box sets have shown that a pretty good bit of detail can be achieved in plastics alone.

time alone will tell...

-C6

Reecius wrote:Don't count on it. That is such a fundamental change that it would require all codecies to be rewritten.

Also, alternate squad activation games take much longer than IGOUGO systems. A game of 40K using the size armies we use now would take several hours longer to play.

I like the system as it is. The rules are excellent now, and only minor changes are needed to tune it up, IMO.

I wouldn't mind a supplement for small sized games with alternate unit activation, but for the core rules, the game kicks butt now.

I agree, 5th Ed. is the strongest we've seen. Some minor changes I would like to see;

Emergency Disembark to carry over to the next player turn or worded (During the owning player's next turn, the unit that emergency disembarked is immediately pinned)
Give Walkers a stomp feature---D3 auto-hits to a non-IC unit in HTH (Still need to roll against IC as normal)
Make any unit placed in reserve have the ability to outflank====units that do so add a +1 to their reserve roll. If a unit already has the outflank ability, they may choose the side they wish to enter when they arrive.
Change the missions a bit-----make it Primary/Secondary/Tertiary already with Kill Points always being Secondary. Make Spearhead only have a 8" measure from middle instead of 12".
To score an objective--the unit scoring must be out of the vehicle it's in. Empty vehicles NEVER contest objectives.
Weight Kill Points based on FOC----make any dedicated transport worth the same number of kill points of the unit it carries