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Just remember - everything you have heard is a lie!

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SilverMK2 wrote:Just remember - everything you have heard is a lie!

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So you're saying there will be IG and xenos?
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I vote IG vs Tau, then they don't have to print the melee section in the mini rulebook

Interesting. I'm going to go for CSM vs. some marine chapter.

I get the feeling GW are building up a wave of new CSM minis, including a plastic dreadnought (finally).

Does anyone know when the last CSM minis were released?

SilverMK2 wrote:Just remember - everything you have heard is a lie!

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Maybe it will go back to Crimson Fists or go to one of the other legions stuck in the generic codex like Imperial Fists and be against Chaos.

skrulnik wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Blood Angels were in a small 'introductory' set at one point

WTF are you on about?

Blood Angels were the cover of 2nd ed 40k game box and the focus of the mission book in that box.

That's what I was thinking of!

I wasn't around for 2nd edition so never saw the 2nd edition 40k game box, I only have seen the mission book.

Kanluwen wrote:

skrulnik wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Blood Angels were in a small 'introductory' set at one point

WTF are you on about?

Blood Angels were the cover of 2nd ed 40k game box and the focus of the mission book in that box.

That's what I was thinking of!

I wasn't around for 2nd edition so never saw the 2nd edition 40k game box, I only have seen the mission book.

Newbie!

I think GW will re-think the 'no Xenos' thing, seriously...if it is even true!

The "Daemonworld" thing is interesting though.

grak wrote:Interesting. I'm going to go for CSM vs. some marine chapter.

I get the feeling GW are building up a wave of new CSM minis, including a plastic dreadnought (finally).

Does anyone know when the last CSM minis were released?

Summer 2007. I was lucky enough to start playign the game about a week after the models and codex came out.

I don't think Demons will ever make the starter set. Too many concerned parents worried about little Billy playing with "Demons" . Unneccessary "a" (Daemons) added in or not.

Definitely won't be two MEQ armies either. Too boring. They always have two divergent styles in the box.

God I hope they don't feth up this rules set like WHFB 8th.

Anybody want to buy some WHFB stuff?

I don't care what they do, as long as they don't do the same kind of starter book.
4th edition was great! "Here are your models, you can paint them, here are your pieces of crashed space ship, you can paint them, here are your dice, your templates, your rulers, and everything you could possibly need. Now, we'll make up 6 fun mini-missions that include all the core rules and teach them to you one at a time, with each one adding a bit more to your knowledge of the game! Have fun!"
5th edition: not so great. "Here's a heck of a lot of models, some dice, rulers, templates, and a book that tells you nothing about how to play the game. "
Yeah, the models were great, but...no terrain? No missions? It's not even fun! That starter set was more of an expansion set than anything else.
I'm hoping they go 4th ed. style with this one.

I'm betting it will be Imperial Guard and Necrons.

Although, more of a hope than a bet.

I based my assumptions that there is usually a horde army and an elite one, and I can definitely see those armies in clip-kit form.

Praxiss wrote:

grak wrote:Interesting. I'm going to go for CSM vs. some marine chapter.

I get the feeling GW are building up a wave of new CSM minis, including a plastic dreadnought (finally).

Does anyone know when the last CSM minis were released?

Summer 2007. I was lucky enough to start playign the game about a week after the models and codex came out.

So CSM have had nothing for almost 4 years, ouch. Definitely the strongest contender IMHO.

With Necrons being re-done in Oct/Nov this year (apparnetly) i can't see a reason why they woudl then make a big deal out fo them several months after the fact. they woudl be better off drawing attention to 2 armies that are soon to be updated.

Based on that, i would guess CSM and any of the following: DA/BT/Tau/Eldar

I say Dark Angels versus Chaos Space Marines.

Yes, it will be a Power-Armour-Appaloosa.....just how GW likes it.


PS. This could also mean that my Dark Angels doesn't get a new codex, but I expect nothing less from GW at this point. We will forever be the "failed experiment of the next edition". (The first one to mention the FAQs, gets to jump out a window)

Praxiss wrote:With Necrons being re-done in Oct/Nov this year (apparnetly) i can't see a reason why they woudl then make a big deal out fo them several months after the fact. they woudl be better off drawing attention to 2 armies that are soon to be updated.

Based on that, i would guess CSM and any of the following: DA/BT/Tau/Eldar

What part of "No Xenos" is so difficult to understand?

Praxiss wrote:With Necrons being re-done in Oct/Nov this year (apparnetly) i can't see a reason why they woudl then make a big deal out fo them several months after the fact. they woudl be better off drawing attention to 2 armies that are soon to be updated.

Orks are in AobR after roughly the same gap. It's not impossible.

I don't think GW is going to kill the goose that lays golden eggs. The starter boxes work as they are. Marines are popular and a great starter army, and really should be included.

Daemons are too complicated with their deep strike rules to really be included in a starter set. You can't teach basic mechanics with them the way you can orks or nids.

Sw V Thousand sons would be good...

Sisters Vs Daemons.

I'm very hesitant to say Sisters, simply because they'd be kind of a hard sell to the market that GW is supposedly trying to milk.

You're not going to get an adolescent male interested in your game with screaming, shaven head women with a femnazi attitude.

And you're not going to get his parents sold on your game with topless daemons with crabclaws.

I'm holding out for CSM on the off chance that it might have some snap fit plastic Obliterators in. Yummy.

This is not "earth-shattering" nor is it really news that 6th Edition is coming soon. The last 40K revision cycle was only 4 years and it clearly was a huge money-maker for GW, so it is expected at this point that the revision cycle will remain that short for some time to come.

Hopefully this time skeptics won't bash people for relaying this news. Last time I had some inside info in the December ahead of time and when I posted it on forums people went nuts screaming about how 40K would never be revised so soon after 4th edition and that it was crazy. Except one, Harry (THE Harry) messaged me at the time to say he also knew it was coming and that I was correct.

Start saving your money now people, the 40K 5th Edition hardback rule book was released in July 2008, next summer will be 4 years since then. In the US, you'll need at least $57.75 + tax, or perhaps $74 and change if they go the route of the last Fantasy Battle book.

The only real intrigue here is what is in the starter set. If it does not include Space Marines for once, that is news!

I'd totally be okay if they stole my idea for 'campaign starter sets'.

So long as I get a freakin' "Purging of Kadillus" starter set for my Dark Angels Successors

Alpharius wrote:So, sometime a year and a half from now?

This thread is fun, sure, but ultimately, this is WAY too early for this!

Still...

Flesh Tearers vs. Sisters!

As long as they have citizen conscripts to tear through while the sisters retreat to their rhinos.

And I seriously doubt that daemons are going to go in the box set. Most parents will object.

They weren't retreating they had to all deliver the news to the Inquisition at once.

Kanluwen wrote:
You're not going to get an adolescent male interested in your game with screaming, shaven head women with a femnazi attitude.

I had a Tank Girl poster on my wall as an adolescent and I turned out alright... mostly...





...mostly...






Also, I know the rumour is no xenos, but won't the boxed set be ideal for a Tau relaunch?

Wouldn't it be ideal for a Daemons/Chaos Marines relaunch too?


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Although, again, I just want to say...

GW, if you're reading this, you have my permission to use my 'campaign starter boxes' idea.

Just make sure I get a free copy of the Dark Angels v. Orks box, kay?

lionfire wrote:All new codexes again I'm guessing.

Probably rolling Codex replacements like we're seeing now, I'd guess. So your codex is still valid and useful (for a certain definition of useful) until it's replaced.

I'd not be surprised to see SM vs. CSM as it could be an easy matchup to balance, I'd be doubtful of Sisters... They are something of a fringe army, and GW probably wants the 'good guy' army to be something their core market would want to identify with, so big macho supermen over nuns with guns.

Sisters vs Chaos Marines.

Be round about when the sisters are due for a codex and what doesn't that combo have?


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Balance wrote:

lionfire wrote:All new codexes again I'm guessing.

Probably rolling Codex replacements like we're seeing now, I'd guess. So your codex is still valid and useful (for a certain definition of useful) until it's replaced.

I'd not be surprised to see SM vs. CSM as it could be an easy matchup to balance, I'd be doubtful of Sisters... They are something of a fringe army, and GW probably wants the 'good guy' army to be something their core market would want to identify with, so big macho supermen over nuns with guns.

As long they don't mention the Grey side of the inquisition and they do make them look all holy and divine and white they would seem good. And BEWBS SELL

As long as we're wishlisting how about plastic greatcoat IG (with Storm troopers) vs a plastic Thunderhawk?

Both of those go against the "No Imperial Guard/No Space Marines" set forth by the original rumours.

Kanluwen wrote:Both of those go against the "No Imperial Guard/No Space Marines" set forth by the original rumours.

Hrud VS Dornian fiends.

Big E Vs Horus.