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MeanGreenStompa wrote:

For me, the irking is Chaos Marines. It's the entire line (but a special kick in the balls goes to obliterators!). Chaos is just 'spikes and horns n gak' now, when back in the day, it was eldrich, unknown and gibbering nasties. Chaos lost it's Lovecraftian terror and replaced it with moustache twirling 'bad guy' cliche.

Chaos needs it's gribbly side back and less of the horns and skulls (since the imperium has plenty of that already!).

In all the time I have been a member of Dakka, this is probably the post I agree with most wholeheartedly.

That quote in the last Chaos dex, "let no good deed go unpunished.. "

I think so many younger gamers today probably have no idea about the original meaning of the 8-pointed chaos star. How it used to represent 'disorder', against the 'order' of the Imperium. The possibilities of complete freedom, a Pandora's Box into the unknown that when opened, could never be closed again (and might well take your soul along with it). How much more evocative that, than a cackling guy in red armour with black circles around his eyes, trampling on pretty flowers because.... well... "just".

The Imperium is already 'evil' enough as it is, a soul-sucking Emperor who feasts on thousands a day to stay alive, the extermination of all life on planets, the massive hive cities where people live and die in toil without ever seeing the sky. By comparison, adding spikes to the 'bad guys', and giving them an almost childish conception of 'evil' is selling the original concept massively short.

Anyway!

Bad models: Definitely agree with the lack of IG stuff beyond some decidedly aged plastic sculpts (although FW and some 3rd party manufacturing, as well as creative conversions can mitigate that somewhat). A few of the larger plastic kits look decidedly toy-like, rather than a proper model kit (the Storm Raven for instance).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:*snip*

I AGREE! I mean ignoring for a moment the fact that the artwork for that White Dwarf cover isn't really that good, I do love the look of that armor. That's what Chaos Space Marines should look like, like even their armor is actually warped and mutated from having spent countless years in a mindfeth dimension full of otherworldly horror, and not like they just glued spikes to their regular armor because it was more punk rock than not having spikes.

I'd still like a Chaos army some day, but the current crop of models does not impress. I hate the basic Marines for the reasons you pointed out, and the daemons are pissing me off because they're so badly sculpted (most of them, bloodletters I'm okay with but that's the only thing anymore that I like). The plastic daemon prince in particular irks me something terrible, I still consider it an utter failure in every way. The original metal prince looked awesome, but had a few obvious downsides in being a mono-pose metal model: everyone's prince was going to look the same unless you were a god-damned wizard with knives and putty. So you'd think with the advent of a plastic kit that at least that one problem would be solved...LOL NOPE. The kit is so poorly designed that its still a mono-pose model, you can't really do much with posing and stuff unless you take a knife to it...which is admittedly easier with plastic models, but still, one of the good things about models going to plastic is that you can design them in a way that you don't have to cut anything in order to assemble the model in a different pose, using ball joints and stuff like that. Not only that but this could have at least been a good opportunity to provide you with lots of extra bits for conversions and-NO couldn't do that either, sprues are pretty bare when the model is done, just literally a couple different weapons or head options and that's it. Plus the model also looks like garbage, the 40k version in particular takes what was good about the metal model and gaks all over it by giving him a stupid derpy grin and that stupid hand-flipping-you-off thing that they've done with other Chaos models...why, I don't know, maybe that's just to hammer the point home that they're not really evil or dangerous in any way, they're more like an angsty, rebellious teen than anything. I like to think after the DP flips me off he just walks away from the battle, locks himself in a bathroom stall and proceeds to carve a gakky-looking swastika on the bathroom stall just to further prove how badass and anti-establishment he is.

Castiel wrote:The Space Pope, its a really bad one.
I don't like the DE Ur-Ghul, its just
And not to forget the High Elf Lord on Dragon, the dragon looks truly awful.

Aun'va I dislike not really because of the model, but because it's too obviously inspired by a Halo character whose name I suddenly can't remember. I want to say prophet, though...the old, decrepit-looking alien in a floaty chair. But now that I look at it again the model and his guards really aren't that good, either...the floaty chair is probably the best thing about it.

That and the ethereals are utterly useless in-game, pretty much the very definition of the word. I'm convinced that these are the only ways GW has ever sold an ethereal model to someone: 1) someone wanted to collect/paint one because they thought it looked cool, 2) they're being used to represent something else in another game, or 3) a very new Tau player bought them because the crooks working at his local GW tried to convince him that ethereals were super awesome and he really needed to buy one of each because the red shirt was told to get rid of them any way he could he would win games with them.

Anyway, you don't like the ur-ghul? Why not? The only thing I don't like about it is that it's one pose and they cost $15 each.

As for the HE dragon, did you see the DE version? Not much better, lol...at least the HE dragon has more realistic-looking teeth. The poor black dragon can't even close its mouth because it has rows of three-foot-long swords stuck in it, apparently. I actually kinda feel sorry for it.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tyranid_Carnifex_1.gif
Yuck.

Boyofdestiny205 wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE MARINE CHAPTERS HAS 80 PERCENT OF THE FLUFF! OCCUPY MACRAGGE!

Far Seer wrote:http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tyranid_Carnifex_1.gif
Yuck.

I used to have one of these bad boys. Think they had a certain charm to them, were rather disconcerting on the tabletop (quite possibly one of the toughest individual miniatures ever released by GW, in amongst the mighty powerful 2nd edition Nids), and being made of metal would also double as a blunt instrument in the case of someone unlawfully entering your house

The Space Pope.

The Tervigon model that GW made. Oh what ... there is no tervigon model. Yup.... NO TERVIGON MODEL. FAIL. this sort of stupid thing really makes me hate GW some times. otherwise i would have to say that the pyrovore sucks pretty bad.

And i have to say that both the DE slave model and the ork cheerleader are both super awesome though the ork cheerleeder is by far the cooler of the two models. Ork cheerleader might be my favorite GW model of all time. whats not to like.

Enough said...

I'm not a fan of the super spiky Chaos vehicles and craft, while I'm fine with some of the horned helms I just hate the fact that if it's chaos it's spikes. Looking at the older Chaos art only high ranking leader had spiked armour, now you get a spure called the Chaos vehicle spure, it's just spikes.

Sidstyler wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:*snip*

Castiel wrote:The Space Pope, its a really bad one.
I don't like the DE Ur-Ghul, its just
And not to forget the High Elf Lord on Dragon, the dragon looks truly awful.

Aun'va I dislike not really because of the model, but because it's too obviously inspired by a Halo character whose name I suddenly can't remember. I want to say prophet, though...the old, decrepit-looking alien in a floaty chair. But now that I look at it again the model and his guards really aren't that good, either...the floaty chair is probably the best thing about it.

That and the ethereals are utterly useless in-game, pretty much the very definition of the word. I'm convinced that these are the only ways GW has ever sold an ethereal model to someone: 1) someone wanted to collect/paint one because they thought it looked cool, 2) they're being used to represent something else in another game, or 3) a very new Tau player bought them because the crooks working at his local GW tried to convince him that ethereals were super awesome and he really needed to buy one of each because the red shirt was told to get rid of them any way he could he would win games with them.

Anyway, you don't like the ur-ghul? Why not? The only thing I don't like about it is that it's one pose and they cost $15 each.

As for the HE dragon, did you see the DE version? Not much better, lol...at least the HE dragon has more realistic-looking teeth. The poor black dragon can't even close its mouth because it has rows of three-foot-long swords stuck in it, apparently. I actually kinda feel sorry for it.

It is mainly the guards, but I'm not too keen on Aun'va either tbh.

As for the ur-ghul, I just really don't like its pose, it looks like its showing off its muscles, and I don't like it.

As for the dragon, I'll agree that the DE one is worse, but it doesn't make the HE one any better!

for old models Id say (havent got a pic on hand)
but the old metal dark elve on dragon.
if you find a pic of it, that...thing looks like an obese slug not a dragon.

next, least favourite new model woul dbe the groutesques and chimeraes.
the groutesques all look the same, and the chimearas are supposed to be completely whacky and different (gw has said that all chimaraes are unique and different with the exact same wording like 5 times in every discription) yet there are no seperate heads, no seperate wings, they all look the same. THE SAME. the only difference is poor colour schemes theyve painted them with :/ So disgusting

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Balance wrote:

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Yeah, I actually quite like that one. I suppose it does look a bit like he's holding a stickup.

Zefig wrote:

Balance wrote:

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Yeah, I actually quite like that one. I suppose it does look a bit like he's holding a stickup.

It's not amazing, but I'd consider it 'adequate.'

It's not one of the older minis that was basically 'flat' to make molding it easy, the shoulder and arm bits make it stand out a bit and actually look kind of 'techy' as compared to a lot of other units.

Is it armed with a bolt pistol or bolter? I'm guessing that's a bolt pistol... It would look a bit small to be a boltgun.

blood lance wrote:for old models Id say (havent got a pic on hand)
but the old metal dark elve on dragon.
if you find a pic of it, that...thing looks like an obese slug not a dragon.

next, least favourite new model woul dbe the groutesques and chimeraes.
the groutesques all look the same, and the chimearas are supposed to be completely whacky and different (gw has said that all chimaraes are unique and different with the exact same wording like 5 times in every discription) yet there are no seperate heads, no seperate wings, they all look the same. THE SAME. the only difference is poor colour schemes theyve painted them with :/ So disgusting

Not like the first Great Unclean Ones that they released with several arms and about five difference heads and bellies as well as variant legs and horns.


The Apothecary is a standard example of its time, no complaints on that one.

@Balance - Yes it's a bolt pistol.

In my opinion Snikgrot looks slowed.

Personally? These chicks.


I mean really. WTF is up with their corsets.

Grotesque... it looks like a old DE line model...

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

I love that Apothecary
do you not like it because of the heart gem on its chest?

Lizardmen Slaan
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470194_99110208044_LizardmenSlannMagePriestMain_445x319.jpg

^ Seriously?

That's a great model.

Any female sculpt from GW irks me

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Boyofdestiny205 wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE MARINE CHAPTERS HAS 80 PERCENT OF THE FLUFF! OCCUPY MACRAGGE!

ROFL

Just made my day

SageMage96 wrote:Lizardmen Slaan
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470194_99110208044_LizardmenSlannMagePriestMain_445x319.jpg

What part irks you? The assembly of it? The model is fantastic in pretty much every regard I can think of.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Grotesque... it looks like a old DE line model...

Sadly those are still miles above old DE.

Doesn't irk me so much as scares the living daylights, night lights, midnight, and beajebuseses out of me.

that should be a 40k model well done. varrick, maybe one of ghazghkull's roadies.

I've seen worse, sad to say, but not by much

Ascalam wrote:I've seen worse, sad to say, but not by much

right. that ork cheerleader model looks cross-eyed drunk or maybe on some pills. some of these models i would like to know how GW approved of these. did someone sculpt it and was like yes that looks great! this is a break through and a true accomplishment of GW!!!


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=I= White-Wolf wrote:

purplefood wrote:Hopefully i will see my favorite picture in this thread...
The model i most dislike is the Ragnar Blackmane model... for a character that is supposed to be fast, charging and badass his model lets him down...

I bet I'm wrong here, buuuuuuut:

For me, with a helmet, the model looks quite nice, but without, Draigo's face...what were they thinking! It is an abomination to my eyes

probably the best image with text on this post well done,

LOVE the ork cheerleader. that is till one of their best bad minis ever. Its like the Evil Dead. So bad its good again.