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He did within the last four hours. Far too late.

But is a guy who plans on cutting police numbers in our country really the answer to our problems right now? Why don't the chavs make themselves useful and actually go and get rid of these muppets instead of preying on the innocent.

Just out of curiosity... how long do you think it'd take me to make a fully functioning suit of tactical dreadnought armour

Maybe a coupel of lighting claws....

I spent the day in London and didn't see or hear anything odd, was really suprised to come back and find out how bad it has been in the South East parts of the city!

Crazy stuff. The numbers of arrests made will make it hard for anything major to come of this, I'd imagine- the sheer chaos will make it hard to pin anything solid on any but a few rioters.

The kids aren't scared or respectful of the police at all. Whether that comes from maltreatment at their hands or not, I don't know, but I was harassed by some youths a while ago and the police were fairly lenient with them. (As was I- I felt it was not worth getting them a criminal record over, at such a young age. Perhaps I was wrong).

You only need look at them using ASBO's as badges of honour to see how much of a joke they consider authority figures / police service to be


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Ps - glad to hear you didn't get caught up in owt

So whats the issue? According to MSN news the african/caribbean community is mad over police treatment and lack of job opportunities...

So when you have a stereotype of being dumb and violent the best way to get what you want is being dumb and violent? That seems counter productive to attaining your goals.

This isn't particular to the african/caribean community. Certainly not now it has spread to Leeds and Liverpool. This started as a protest at the killing of Mark Duggan on friday which caused a riot on saturday. What has followed is just opportunistic hoodlums who are out to steal what they can in huge numbers. That's it. Any other supposed agenda is bs.

The unemployment idea is the biggest crock of gak. Most of these rioters are teenagers and haven't even left school yet. What do they care about unemployment?

Ravenous D wrote:So whats the issue? According to MSN news the african/caribbean community is mad over police treatment and lack of job opportunities...

So when you have a stereotype of being dumb and violent the best way to get what you want is being dumb and violent? That seems counter productive to attaining your goals.

All this riot is going to do is fuel racism as nearly every single person I've seen looting is colored.

I blame Tony Blair.

LOLWUT. People are still blaiming Tony Blair?

On a more serious note, I’m surprised that it escalated this much. From what I gather, the opportunistic hoodlums were pretty organised with messaged via mobile phone and whatnot.

Our police are weak as ***k. The pictures of them trembling like lambs behind their shield walls is both funny and tragic. They're good at viciously striking peaceful female protesters with batons though, got that eventuality covered.

Holy hell, a whole distrubution centre for Sainsburys has gone up in Waltham Abbey, massive fire.

They're such idiots, think how many people will be jobless after this, that's all we need.

What's ironic is that when the Gov't announce saving plans to pay for repairs, there'll probably be riots about that too.

Aye, oh and a correction, it is a Sony distrubution centre, not Sainsburys, didn't think they'd be after bread.

notprop wrote:You do havve them and they tend to be somewhat more destructive and lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I must admit the thing that makes me laugh most about this is the fuss being made about it when a bout two weeks ago there was significant rioting in Belfast (suprise!) and bearly a mention.

The most noteworthy element of the Tottenham situation was the lack of Horse and Baton charges. Clearly the Met have cut funding to these most entertaining parts of their budget.

I was well aware of those riots. The LA riots were justified, but rather large.

I was thinking more just small riots out of dickery like because of football.

Karon wrote:

notprop wrote:You do havve them and they tend to be somewhat more destructive and lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I must admit the thing that makes me laugh most about this is the fuss being made about it when a bout two weeks ago there was significant rioting in Belfast (suprise!) and bearly a mention.

The most noteworthy element of the Tottenham situation was the lack of Horse and Baton charges. Clearly the Met have cut funding to these most entertaining parts of their budget.

I was well aware of those riots. The LA riots were justified, but rather large.

I was thinking more just small riots out of dickery like because of football.

Really? The LA riots were justified? REALLY? 1 Billion dollars in property damage, 53 people killed and thousands injured is JUSTIFIED?

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Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

Karon wrote:

notprop wrote:You do havve them and they tend to be somewhat more destructive and lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I must admit the thing that makes me laugh most about this is the fuss being made about it when a bout two weeks ago there was significant rioting in Belfast (suprise!) and bearly a mention.

The most noteworthy element of the Tottenham situation was the lack of Horse and Baton charges. Clearly the Met have cut funding to these most entertaining parts of their budget.

I was well aware of those riots. The LA riots were justified, but rather large.

I was thinking more just small riots out of dickery like because of football.

Really? The LA riots were justified? REALLY? 1 Billion dollars in property damage, 53 people killed and thousands injured is JUSTIFIED?

Yeah, Karon is a hard-bitten black gangsta in a nerdy white kid's body. It's a source of constant amusement.

dogma wrote:

Connor McKane wrote:
You even DREAM of dropping a nuke on Texas you better wake up and apologize. There is a reason the last major riot in Texas was in 1917.

Because in Texas everyone has guns!!!

No, because in Texas the only thing more prevalent than guns is selective memory:

Whoops!

Whoops.

Unless "major riot" means "Riots which most states have never had."

Dogma.... bless your little heart. Thats just silly... "Prison Inmates rioting?" Thats not even remotely close to what is going on in the UK. Don't you ever get tired of being contrary? And the Pharr riot IS the riot I am talking about (I typed 1917 instead of 1971), and still it isn't the same, because, in the riot: The police? THEY SHOT PEOPLE. Which is what the point of my post was, so thanks for making my argument.

But, I have decided I'll just ignore you, and my Dakka experience will be better for it. Toodle-oo!
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Albatross wrote:

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

Karon wrote:

notprop wrote:You do havve them and they tend to be somewhat more destructive and lethal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I must admit the thing that makes me laugh most about this is the fuss being made about it when a bout two weeks ago there was significant rioting in Belfast (suprise!) and bearly a mention.

The most noteworthy element of the Tottenham situation was the lack of Horse and Baton charges. Clearly the Met have cut funding to these most entertaining parts of their budget.

I was well aware of those riots. The LA riots were justified, but rather large.

I was thinking more just small riots out of dickery like because of football.

Really? The LA riots were justified? REALLY? 1 Billion dollars in property damage, 53 people killed and thousands injured is JUSTIFIED?

Yeah, Karon is a hard-bitten black gangsta in a nerdy white kid's body. It's a source of constant amusement.

Yes.

>implying all black people are gangsta.

On a serious note, I find all of these riots enough for one to lose faith in humanity. I mean, looting? Come on, how is that going to improve the economy?

Wow, I just picked this up a few hours ago, haven't really been reading the news. Kinda shocking really, I remember a couple "Discussions" people had over food in the stores when a hurricane was about to hit the gulf of mexico a few years ago, but nothing like this.

Its also worth noting that no one has ever cleared an American, or Western, street of looters using an assault rifle. Not even during Hurricane Ike.

LA Riots, 1992.

What’s happening is there is widespread discontent due to a variety of reasons including racism, unemployment (which affects teenagers who want to get jobs), poverty and deprivation.

The shooting last week was a trigger point.

The rioters are a mixture of generally discontented people and gang members who see a good opportunity to smash some stuff up and loot.

The worrying thing is how the rioters have used communications to organise and spread around the country to attack separate locations at the same time.

I think there will be a crackdown tonight. The government cannot allow the violence to carry on for another night. It makes them look incompetent.

Is it ok if I feel sad at a time like this? I cry when I think of all the innocent people who get hurt during riots and looting.

Our police are weak as ***k. The pictures of them trembling like lambs behind their shield walls is both funny and tragic. They're good at viciously striking peaceful female protesters with batons though, got that eventuality covered.

The reason why our police are considered weak as ***k is BECAUSE they can't beat down protesters. These sub-human animals should be slaughtered like the thick cattle they are by the military.

What’s happening is there is widespread discontent due to a variety of reasons including racism, unemployment (which affects teenagers who want to get jobs), poverty and deprivation.

Nothing justifies a riot on this scale. We have unemployment, we have poverty, we have deprivation and there are no riots here. Its just a big looting operation and it has been from the start since that animal got shot.

looting for beginners.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Our police are weak as ***k. The pictures of them trembling like lambs behind their shield walls is both funny and tragic. They're good at viciously striking peaceful female protesters with batons though, got that eventuality covered.

The reason why our police are considered weak as ***k is BECAUSE they can't beat down protesters. These sub-human animals should be slaughtered like the thick cattle they are by the military.

What’s happening is there is widespread discontent due to a variety of reasons including racism, unemployment (which affects teenagers who want to get jobs), poverty and deprivation.

Nothing justifies a riot on this scale. We have unemployment, we have poverty, we have deprivation and there are no riots here. Its just a big looting operation and it has been from the start since that animal got shot.

It wasn't a justification, it was an explanation.

Connor McKane wrote:
Dogma.... bless your little heart. Thats just silly... "Prison Inmates rioting?" Thats not even remotely close to what is going on in the UK.

Indeed it is not, at least outside the sense in which people are behaving disorderly.

Connor McKane wrote:
Don't you ever get tired of being contrary?

The answer should be obvious.

Connor McKane wrote:
And the Pharr riot IS the riot I am talking about (I typed 1917 instead of 1971), and still it isn't the same, because, in the riot: The police? THEY SHOT PEOPLE. Which is what the point of my post was, so thanks for making my argument.

If the Pharr riots are not like the UK riots, why would shooting people, or simply being violent, be of use to UK police?

You seem to want both riots to be the same and different at the same time, but not want to specify how or why they should be either different or the same.

This is what Cameron's plan will be...



Either that or he's going to dial: 0800-PUNISHER

Apparently, all Police leave is cancelled until further notice to help keep the numbers up to deal with the rioting. I would provide more info, but i missed the rest of Camerons announcement.