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I still don't think it matters. People go to Fox, and various other news sources, to have their beliefs reinforced.

As long as the internet exists, Fox is a single drop in an ocean of ignorance. Don't get me started on Lizard People conspiracies.

ShumaGorath wrote:Alright, I'm back. Sebster seems to have covered some bases while I was gone, but I might as well respond.

Care to offer some quanitative analysis to back up your claim that fox intentionally lies or that they indeed get paid to do so?

It's virtually impossible from the standpoint of an unpaid civilian without the proper equipment to provide good quantitative analysis of a 24 hour news networks veracity in reporting. Thnkfully other people have done it for me!

The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006[41] showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The "content analysis" portion of their 2005 report also concluded that "Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air."[45]

A 2010 Stanford University survey found "more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists’ claims about global warming, [and] with less trust in scientists".[56] A 2011 Kaiser Family Foundation survey on U.S. misperceptions about health care reform similarly found that Fox News viewers scored lower for factual knowledge than other news viewers.[57] A 2010 Ohio State University study of public misperceptions about the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" found that viewers who relied on Fox News were 66% more likely to believed incorrect rumors than those with "low reliance" on Fox News

A study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland School of Public Affairs, as published in the Winter 03-04 issue of the Political Science Quarterly,[59] reported that poll-based findings[60] indicated that viewers of Fox News, the Fox Broadcasting Company and local Fox affiliates were more likely than viewers of other news networks to hold three purported misperceptions:[59]
67% of Fox viewers believed that the "U.S. has found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the al Qaeda terrorist organization" (Compared with 56% for CBS, 49% for NBC, 48% for CNN, 45% for ABC, 16% for NPR/PBS).
The belief that "The U.S. has found Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq" was held by 33% of Fox viewers and only 23% of CBS viewers, 19% for ABC, 20% for NBC, 20% for CNN and 11% for NPR/PBS
35% of Fox viewers believed that "the majority of people [in the world] favor the U.S. having gone to war" with Iraq. (Compared with 28% for CBS, 27% for ABC, 24% for CNN, 20% for NBC, 5% for NPR/PBS)
In response, Fox News frequent guest Ann Coulter characterized the PIPA findings as "misperceptions of pointless liberal factoids" and called it a "hoax poll."[61] Bill O'Reilly called the study "absolute crap."[62] Roger Ailes referred to the study as "an old push poll."[63] James Taranto, editor of OpinionJournal.com, the Wall Street Journal's online editorial page, called the poll "pure propaganda."[64] PIPA issued a clarification on October 17, 2003, stating that "The findings were not meant to and cannot be used as a basis for making broad judgments about the general accuracy of the reporting of various networks or the general accuracy of the beliefs of those who get their news from those networks. Only a substantially more comprehensive study could undertake such broad research questions," and that the results of the poll show correlation, but do not prove causation.

Is that quantitative? It's difficult to measure the factual basis of reporting without setting up an office and vetting every single news story 24 hours a day. Such studies usually don't/can't last long.

As for intention.

Former Fox News producer Charlie Reina explained, "The roots of Fox News Channel's day-to-day on-air bias are actual and direct. They come in the form of an executive memo distributed electronically each morning, addressing what stories will be covered and, often, suggesting how they should be covered. To the newsroom personnel responsible for the channel's daytime programming, The Memo is the Bible. If, on any given day, you notice that the Fox anchors seem to be trying to drive a particular point home, you can bet The Memo is behind it."[75][76]
Photocopied memos from John Moody instructed the network's on-air anchors and reporters to use positive language when discussing pro-life viewpoints, the Iraq war, and tax cuts, as well as requesting that the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal be put in context with the other violence in the area.[77] Such memos were reproduced for the film Outfoxed, which included Moody quotes such as, "The soldiers [seen on Fox in Iraq] in the foreground should be identified as 'sharpshooters,' not 'snipers,' which carries a negative connotation."
Two days after the 2006 election, The Huffington Post reported they had acquired a copy of a leaked internal memo from Mr. Moody that recommended: "…[L]et's be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled congress." Within hours of the memo's publication, Fox News anchor Martha McCallum, went on-air on the program The Live Desk with reports of Iraqi insurgents cheering the firing of Donald Rumsfeld and the results of the 2006 congressional election.[78][79]

As for money

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/goldline-execs-charged-fraud/story?id=14857253#.TsxnqWNrI0w

Don't for get to make sure you not only show that, but show they do so more than any other news network.

No thanks. Next you'll ask me to prove that the moon is big. It would be virtually impossible to show that fox news lies more then its competitors in a quantitative fashion. That would require accurately disseminating 72 hours of new broadcast per day while fact checking all of it and then comparing and contrasting. It would require an absolute and omniscient third party (god? Aliens?) to vet the veracity of subjective claims and it would require an immense staff of fact checkers for everything else. I have a laptop.

Back up your assertion or continue your rant, but realize that without backing it up you show yourself as a partisan hack.

Excuse me. I can't talk any more. I have to go drink my coolaid and go tape my eyes to Olbermans glorious chin so that my solar batteries which are very green can be recharged for another day of protesting from my tent camp in the suburbs of new hampshire.

So, go ahead and highlight the lies Fox told. I read your quotes and all I see is studies showing Fox viewers are dumb, I got that. Show where the news items reported are lies though. That is what you claimed. You also claimed they do it more than other news networks. Nothing you provided substantiates that claim either.

The Media Can Legally Lie
By Mike Gaddy
Writer for lewrockwell.com.
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In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.
Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.
According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)
Akre and Wilson sued the Fox station and on August 18, 2000, a Florida jury unanimously decided that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) “a false, distorted or slanted story” about the widespread use of BGH in dairy cows. They further maintained that she deserved protection under Florida's whistle blower law. Akre was awarded a $425,000 settlement. Inexplicably, however, the court decided that Steve Wilson, her partner in the case, was ruled not wronged by the same actions taken by FOX.
FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals unanimously overturned the settlement awarded to Akre. The Court held that Akre’s threat to report the station’s actions to the FCC did not deserve protection under Florida’s whistle blower statute, because Florida’s whistle blower law states that an employer must violate an adopted “law, rule, or regulation." In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.
During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”

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UPDATE BY LIANE CASTEN: If we needed any more proof that we now live in an upside down world, the saga of Jane Akre, along with her husband, Steve Wilson, could not be more compelling.

Akre and Wilson won the first legal round. Akre was awarded $425,000 in a jury trial with well-crafted arguments for their wrongful termination as whistleblowers. And in the process, they also won the prestigious “Goldman Environmental” prize for their outstanding efforts. However, FOX turned around and appealed the verdict. This time, FOX won; the original verdict was overturned in the Appellate Court of Florida’s Second District. The court implied there was no restriction against distorting the truth. Technically, there was no violation of the news distortion because the FCC’s policy of news distortion does not have the weight of the law. Thus, said the court, Akre-Wilson never qualified as whistleblowers.
What is more appalling are the five major media outlets that filed briefs of Amici Curiae- or friend of FOX – to support FOX’s position: Belo Corporation, Cox Television, Inc., Gannett Co., Inc., Media General Operations, Inc., and Post-Newsweek Stations, Inc. These are major media players! Their statement, “The station argued that it simply wanted to ensure that a news story about a scientific controversy regarding a commercial product was present with fairness and balance, and to ensure that it had a sound defense to any potential defamation claim.”
“Fairness and balance?” Monsanto hardly demonstrated “fairness and balance” when it threatened a lawsuit and demanded the elimination of important, verifiable information!
The Amici position was “If upheld by this court, the decision would convert personnel actions arising from disagreements over editorial policy into litigation battles in which state courts would interpret and apply federal policies that raise significant and delicate constitutional and statutory issues.” After all, Amici argued, 40 states now have Whistleblower laws, imagine what would happen if employees in those 40 states followed the same course of action?
The position implies that First Amendment rights belong to the employers – in this case the five power media groups. And when convenient, the First Amendment becomes a broad shield to hide behind. Let’s not forget, however; the airwaves belong to the people. Is there no public interest left—while these media giants make their private fortunes using the public airwaves? Can corporations have the power to influence the media reporting, even at the expense of the truth? Apparently so.
In addition, the five “friends” referred to FCC policies. The five admit they are “vitally interested in the outcome of this appeal, which will determine the extent to which state whistleblower laws may incorporate federal policies that touch on sensitive questions of editorial judgment.”
Anyone concerned with media must hear the alarm bells. The Bush FCC, under Michael Powell’s leadership, has shown repeatedly that greater media consolidation is encouraged, that liars like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are perfectly acceptable, that to refer to the FCC interpretation of “editorial judgment” is to potentially throw out any pretense at editorial accuracy if the “accuracy” harms a large corporation and its bottom line. This is our “Brave New Media”, the corporate media that protects its friends and now lies, unchallenged if need be.
The next assault: the Fox station then filed a series of motions in a Tampa Circuit Court seeking more than $1.7 million in trial fees and costs from both Akre and Wilson. The motions were filed on March 30 and April 16 by Fox attorney, William McDaniels—who bills his client at $525 to $550 an hour. The costs are to cover legal fees and trial costs incurred by FOX in defending itself at the first trial. The issue may be heard by the original trial judge, Ralph Steinberg—a logical step in the whole process. However, Judge Steinberg must come out of retirement if he is to hear this, so the hearing, set for June 1, may go to a new judge, Judge Maye.
Akre and her husband feel the stress. “There is no justification for the five stations not to support us,” she said. “Attaching legal fees to whistleblowers is unprecedented, absurd. The ‘business’ of broadcasting trumps it all. These news organizations must ensure they are worthy of the public trust while they use OUR airwaves, free of charge. Public trust is alarmingly absent here.”
Indeed. This is what our corporate media, led by such as Rupert Murdoch, have come to. How low we have fallen.

Quick overview on Fox "Friends"

Belo Company = ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox
Stations = WFAA, KHOU, KTVK, KASW, KING-TV, KONG, KMOV, KGW, WCNC-TV, KENS, WVEC, KVUE, WHAS-TV, WWL-TV, WUPL, KMSB, KTTU, KREM, KSKN, KTVB

Cox Communication = ABC, NBC
STATIONS = 3rd largest cable television in America

Garnnett Company = hard copy news....you know...newspaper..USA Today, USA Weekend, Tennessean, Arizonia Republic, Courier-Journal, Indiappolis Star, Democrat and Chronicle, Cincinnati Enquirer

Media General = NBC, CBS, ABC
sttions = WFLA-TV, WNCN, WCMH-TV, WSPA-TV, WYCW, WVTM-TV, WJAR, WKRG-TV, WSLS-TV, WJTV, WJHL-TV, WSAV-TV, WCBD-TV, WNCT-TV, WBTW-TV, WJBF, WAGT, WRBL, WHLT


Just throwing this out to. Remember this from NBC?

CptJake wrote:Heck, I've seen Neil Cavuto, Shep Smith and even O'rielly (who is a comentator not a reporter) correct mistakes too.


I'll ask you, if it is Fox's MO to actually NOT correct mistakes and to purposely lie, prove it. Start spitting put the documented cases. Link to the leaked policy memos.

Agreed. Anecdotes are like donkey-caves. Everybody got one. They are irrelevant.

Joy Bahar on Headline news?
George Stephanopolis on ABC (former Clinton butt boy)
Carl Rove on Fox (former Bush butt boy)
Chelsea Clinton on NBC (former Clinton )
There's a reason CNN used to be called the Clinton News Network.

They all suck. Fox gets ragged on because its the conseravative voice in the wilderness, and the other networks are jealous of their blonds.


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Byte wrote:I'm a Fox guy. Shep Smith is a pimp.

Not just a pimp, Pimp Daddy Yo!


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Monster Rain wrote:I still don't think it matters. People go to Fox, and various other news sources, to have their beliefs reinforced.

As long as the internet exists, Fox is a single drop in an ocean of ignorance. Don't get me started on Lizard People conspiracies.

Ixnay on the Lizard peopleey!

So, go ahead and highlight the lies Fox told. I read your quotes and all I see is studies showing Fox viewers are dumb, I got that. Show where the news items reported are lies though. That is what you claimed. You also claimed they do it more than other news networks. Nothing you provided substantiates that claim either.

If you want lying that's been gone over numerous times in this thread, including in my previous posts. Sebster handled that well. If you need something contemporary two weeks ago fox reported that occupy oakland burned down a building. They did not. It was a police barricade and it wasn't corrected (just removed). The white house shooter has been repeatedly linked by fox to the occupy movement. He is not linked to it and their own investigation showed that as did the official one. They continue to link him to it.

I'm not going to cart your horse around.

Do know where the shooter was at compare to a OWS protest at Freedom Plaze Shum?

edit
Your talking about these OWS from Oakland?

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- A protest that shut down the Port of Oakland to show the broadening reach of the Occupy Wall Street movement ended in violence when police in riot gear arrested dozens of protesters overnight who broke into a vacant building, shattered downtown windows, sprayed graffiti and set blazes along the way.
At least four protesters were hospitalized Thursday with various injuries, including one needing stitches after fighting with an officer, police said. Several officers were also injured but didn't need hospitalization.

"We go from having a peaceful movement to now just chaos," protester Monique Agnew, 40, said early Thursday.

Protesters also threw concrete chunks, metal pipes, lit roman candles and molotov cocktails, police said.

The far-flung movement of protesters challenging the world's economic systems and distribution of wealth has gained momentum in recent weeks, capturing the world's attention by shutting down one of the nation's busiest shipping ports toward the end of a daylong "general strike" that prompted solidarity rallies across the U.S.

Several thousands of people converged on the Port of Oakland, the nation's fifth-busiest harbor, in a nearly five-hour protest Wednesday, swarming the area and blocking exits and streets with illegally parked vehicles and hastily erected, chain-link fences afterward.

Port spokesman Isaac Kos-Read said evening operations had been "effectively shut down."

Port officials hoped to resume maritime operations Thursday "and that Port workers will be allowed to get to their jobs without incident. Continued missed shifts represent economic hardship for maritime workers, truckers, and their families, as well as lost jobs and lost tax revenue for our region."

Big trucks were backed up Thursday morning as footage on KGO-TV showed about a dozen protesters manning a chain link fence blocking a port entrance. Truck drivers argued with protesters, who said they planned to stay until at least 9 a.m.

Port officials could not immediately be reached for comment on the status of operations at the port.

Supporters in New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and elsewhere staged smaller-scale demonstrations. Each group said its protest was a show of support for the Oakland movement, which became a rallying point when an Iraq War veteran was seriously injured in a clash with police last week.

The larger Occupy movement has yet to coalesce into an organized association and until the port shut down had largely been limited scattershot marches, rallies and tent encampments since it began in September.

Organizers in Oakland viewed the strike and port shutdown as a significant victory. Police said that about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations throughout the day that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism at local banks and businesses.

Boots Riley, a protest organizer, touted the day as a success, saying "we put together an ideological principle that the mainstream media wouldn't talk about two months ago."

His comments came before a group of protesters broke into the former Travelers Aid building in order to, as some shouting protesters put it, "reclaim the building for the people."

Riley, whose anti-capitalist views are well documented, considered the port shutdown particularly significant for organizers who targeted it in an effort to stop the "flow of capital."

The port sends goods primarily to Asia, including wine as well as rice, fruits and nuts, and handles imported electronics, apparel and manufacturing equipment, mostly from Asia, as well as cars and parts from Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai.

An accounting of the financial toll from the shutdown was not immediately available.

The potential for the chaos that ultimately erupted was not something Riley wanted to even consider.

"If they do that after all this ..." said Riley pausing cautiously, then adding, "They're smarter than that."

But the peace that abided throughout a sunny warm autumn Wednesday, as protesters hung a large black banner downtown that read: "DEATH TO CAPITALISM," did not last as a cool midnight approached.

Occupy protesters voicing anger over a budget trim that forced the closure of a homeless aid program converged on the empty building where it had been housed just outside of downtown.

They blocked off a street with wood, metal Dumpsters and other large trash bins, sparking bonfires that leapt as high as 15 feet in the air.

City officials later released a statement describing the spasm of unrest.

"Oakland Police responded to a late night call that protesters had broken into and occupied a downtown building and set several simultaneous fires," the statement read. "The protesters began hurling rocks, explosives, bottles, and flaming objects at responding officers."

Several businesses were heavily vandalized. Dozens of protesters wielding shields were surrounded and arrested.

Protesters ran from several rounds of tear gas and bright flashes and deafening pops that some thought were caused by "flash bang" grenades. Fire crews arrived and suppressed the protesters' flames.

Protesters and police faced off in an uneasy standoff until the wee hours of the morning.

In Philadelphia, protesters were arrested earlier Wednesday as they held a sit-in at the headquarters of cable giant Comcast.

In New York, about 100 military veterans marched in uniform and stopped in front of the New York Stock Exchange, standing in loose formation as police officers on scooters separated them from the entrance. On the other side was a lineup of NYPD horses carrying officers with nightsticks.

"We are marching to express support for our brother, (Iraq war veteran) Scott Olsen, who was injured in Oakland," said Jerry Bordeleau, a former Army specialist who served in Iraq through 2009.

The veterans were also angry that returned from war to find few job prospects.

"Wall Street corporations have played a big role in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Bordeleau, now a college student. He said private contractors have reaped big profits in those countries.

A New York Post editorial on Thursday called on protesters camped out in Manhattan to leave or have police evict them. "What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals," it said.

In Boston, college students and union workers marched on Bank of America offices, the Harvard Club and the Statehouse to protest the nation's burgeoning student debt crisis. They said total outstanding student loans exceed credit card debt, increase by $1 million every six minutes and will reach $1 trillion this year, potentially undermining the economy.

"There are so many students that are trying to get jobs and go on with their lives," said Sarvenaz Asasy, of Boston, who joined the march after recently graduating with a master's degree and $60,000 in loan debt. "They've educated themselves and there are no jobs and we're paying tons of student loans. For what?"

And among the other protests in Oakland, parents and their kids, some in strollers, joined in by forming a "children's brigade."

"There's absolutely something wrong with the system," said Jessica Medina, a single mother who attends school part time and works at an Oakland cafe. "We need to change that."

Do know where the shooter was at compare to a OWS protest at Freedom Plaze Shum?

No, but I'm going to trust the FBI when they say something more then O'Rielly. Hell, foxes own investigators failed to find a link, but they brushed that one under the rug.



And that building sure didn't burn down. But that is the exact building in question. You'll note that stories of it's total destruction have been removed but no note of correction has been left.

Was not going to use this but grenades stood out. Never really heard of Examiner.com and Verum Serum so if this is not a good source let me know

Occupy Wall Street activists are celebrating the second month of protests - with more protests and more outrageous acts.

A post at Verum Serum has broken down the activities of the Occupy protests by type, including arson, assault, threats, drugs, fraud, death, rapes and acts of sedition.


Arson
Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades

Assault/Threats
Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
Occupy Oakland – Death threats
Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted

Drugs/Dealing
Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp
Occupy Portland – “I get high“

Fraud
National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter

Illness/Death
Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak

Murder
Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

Public disturbance
Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside

Rape/Sexual Assault
Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child

Sedition
Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution

Suicide/Overdose
Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead

Theft
Occupy Portland – Theft is ongoing
Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began

Vandalism
Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion

The link

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/list-shows-arson-assault-sedition-part-of-democrat-backed-occupy-protests

Verum Serum doesn't look like the best source I've ever seen. Their breakdown on Hitler was nice though!

Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street

CptJake wrote:So, go ahead and highlight the lies Fox told.

I did. Malmedy. Oreally. or did that not make it as a 'Lie'?
As a current/former service member i figured that one would especially hit home for you.

Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

Jihadin wrote:
Murder
Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

This is a lie. It was just a Raider's game.

olympia wrote:

Jihadin wrote:
Murder
Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting

This is a lie. It was just a Raider's game.

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

True. until they change the transcipt online to read what they wanted it to. it would have made alot more sense to me to
admit a screw up and go on. instead they tried to change the reality to fit their story. not to mention the insult to all of those
Americans that were actaully murdered. Fox is so pro troop, it's mind boggling they did it.

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

It was. And he is a comentator vice news guy. Which is why crap like that doesn't go far towards showing Fox intentionally lies, and does so more than other news networks.

Compare it to the whole deal that got Dan Rather canned and well, you'll have to excuse me for not buying off on the premise that Fox is the most dishonest news service...

By the way, see where last night CNN "Lied" about Clark being a Republican candidate?



Come on folks, regardless of network, crap like that is some dumbass screwing up vice intentionally fibbing. A lot of what the Hate Fox folks come up with falls into this category, including Oreilly's screw up.

CptJake wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

It was. And he is a comentator vice news guy. Which is why crap like that doesn't go far towards showing Fox intentionally lies, and does so more than other news networks.

Compare it to the whole deal that got Dan Rather canned and well, you'll have to excuse me for not buying off on the premise that Fox is the most dishonest news service...

By the way, see where last night CNN "Lied" about Clark being a Republican candidate?



Come on folks, regardless of network, crap like that is some dumbass screwing up vice intentionally fibbing. A lot of what the Hate Fox folks come up with falls into this category, including Oreilly's screw up.

And what is your response to the memo directive by upper echelon fox management guiding political stories towards specific aims before they occur? Does it not count as dishonesty?

Jihadin wrote:
Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape

To be fair, that happens so often outside pubs in the real Glasgow It's hardly newsworthy.

CptJake wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

It was. And he is a comentator vice news guy. Which is why crap like that doesn't go far towards showing Fox intentionally lies, and does so more than other news networks.

Compare it to the whole deal that got Dan Rather canned and well, you'll have to excuse me for not buying off on the premise that Fox is the most dishonest news service...

By the way, see where last night CNN "Lied" about Clark being a Republican candidate?



Come on folks, regardless of network, crap like that is some dumbass screwing up vice intentionally fibbing. A lot of what the Hate Fox folks come up with falls into this category, including Oreilly's screw up.

I guess you're missing the point? O'really screwed up. it happens, i get it.
The outrage is that Fox CHANGED the transcript online to make it as if nothing happened.
I'm not focusing on the crime, but the coverup.

alarmingrick wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

True. until they change the transcipt online to read what they wanted it to. it would have made alot more sense to me to
admit a screw up and go on. instead they tried to change the reality to fit their story. not to mention the insult to all of those
Americans that were actaully murdered. Fox is so pro troop, it's mind boggling they did it.

That's a fair point.

I had no idea about the cover up, but I think it's because I'm not emotionally invested in Fox News.

Monster Rain wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

True. until they change the transcipt online to read what they wanted it to. it would have made alot more sense to me to
admit a screw up and go on. instead they tried to change the reality to fit their story. not to mention the insult to all of those
Americans that were actaully murdered. Fox is so pro troop, it's mind boggling they did it.

That's a fair point.

I had no idea about the cover up, but I think it's because I'm not emotionally invested in Fox News.

Only emotionally invested in the act of telling people that what their invested in is foolish, eh?

Back from suprise mandatory formation at the post theater. 2 hrs of my life wondering what some active component soldiers think of next. Never ever go to a protest in uniform to pick up chicks

16th St. Oakland CA near Broadway. I just went down that entire road on a satellite feed and did not see a burned out building....not neighberhood I recommend to live at but..no burn out.

and no Fox report telling of it

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O'Reilly did a piss poor job on researching Malmeady. In front of two former generals. Saying it was my beloved 82nd...left many a running shoe tread there on Bastogne St. he's not a military history expert.




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So um...interesting read here.

Occupy Wall Street protesters stay at $700-a-night hotel

By CANDICE M. GIOVE

Last Updated: 12:25 PM, November 20, 2011

Posted: 12:06 AM, November 20, 2011

Hell no, we won’t go — unless we get goose down pillows.

A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned.

The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.

J.C. Rice

NO PARK-ING: Instead of Zuccotti Park squalor a swanky room at the W Hotel Downtown was more comfy for Brad Spitzer (pictured) and other well-heeled protesters.

J.C. Rice

A room at the W Hotel Downtown

Gabriella Bass

Peter Dutro



“Tents are not for me,” he confessed, when confronted in the sleek black lobby of the Washington Street hotel where sources described him as a “repeat” guest.

Spitzer, 24, an associate at financial-services giant Deloitte, which netted $29 billion in revenue last year, admitted he joined the protest at Zuccotti Park several times.

“I’m staying here for work,” said Spitzer, dressed down in a company T-shirt and holding a backpack and his suitcase. “I do finance, but I support it still.”

During his stay, hotel sources said, he and other ragtag revolutionaries he brought into the hotel lived like 1 percenters. He would order up a roll-out bed to accommodate guests, they said.

“He’s here all the time,” a hotel source said. “We all see him at the protest.”

Spitzer denied sheltering Occupiers. He claimed he only invited in a blogger buddy living at the park to wash off his camp grime.

Meanwhile, Dutro, 35, one of only a handful of OWS leaders in charge of the movement’s $500,000 in donations, checked in on Wednesday, the night after police emptied Zuccotti Park.

While hundreds of his rebel brethren scrambled to find shelter in church basements, Dutro chose the five-star, 58-story hotel, with its lush rooms and 350-count Egyptian cotton sheets. He lives only a short taxi ride away in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn.

“I knew everything was going to be a clusterf--k in the morning,” he told The Post, alluding to Occupy’s own disruption plans. “How would I get over the bridge when they were shutting it down?”

The tattoo artist-turned-Occupy money man took the elevator up to the fifth-floor welcome desk, where a disc jockey spins tunes and guests enjoy a vista of the growing freedom tower.

He said he spent $500 of his own money to get the room because he wanted a good night’s rest ahead of the cause’s two-month ceremony the next day and raucous post-raid protests.

“I knew . . . there was a high probability of getting arrested,” he said. “I wanted a nice room. That’s OK. Not everybody there is dirt poor.”

He paid for the palace with his American Express card.

“It is an expensive hotel. Whatever,” he said.

The rooms have 37-inch flat-screen TVs, window seats overlooking the city and iPod-dock alarm clocks. Visitors can order 12-year-old Glenlivet scotch for $375 a bottle, or an $18 pastrami sandwich, from room service. There’s even a menu for four-legged guests, including a $16 dog dish of Niman Ranch ground beef.

He claims he chose the W for its convenience, not its luxury.

“I’m not in the business of throwing money away,” he said. “It’s the only room I could find.”

And he claims he took care of comrades in less-comfortable digs.

“I took food to all those churches,” he said. “I got them cigarettes.”

Occupiers told The Post that they witnessed other General Assembly and group leaders stay in both the W Downtown and the Marriott Hotel — and said that key players were not present when cops stormed Zuccotti.

Monster Rain wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Not that I give a rat's ass about O'Reilly, but the Malmedy thing just seems more like ignorance than lying.

True. until they change the transcipt online to read what they wanted it to. it would have made alot more sense to me to
admit a screw up and go on. instead they tried to change the reality to fit their story. not to mention the insult to all of those
Americans that were actaully murdered. Fox is so pro troop, it's mind boggling they did it.

That's a fair point.

I had no idea about the cover up, but I think it's because I'm not emotionally invested in Fox News.

Because leaving a factually wrong transcript up on the net, once the mistake was caught makes so much more sense...

Of course they changed it. IT WAS WRONG. They fixed it. Duh. I bet other networks changes errors when caught.

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2011/09/10/pbs-alters-obama-speech-transcript-to-cover-up-gaffe/


Jake

PBS...wow...last time I saw PBS was when Loren Green was narrator for nature shows...I also....found this...

Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome is an upcoming spin-off series from the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series.[23] Syfy approached show runner Ronald D. Moore to produce another spin-off set in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica universe, and will begin as a two-hour pilot that will focus on William "Husker" Adama (to be portrayed by Luke Pasqualino) during the First Cylon War (as was glimpsed in Razor and the corresponding webisodes).

Syfy has greenlit the two-hour pilot of Blood & Chrome, which saw production begin in February 2011. No release date has been announced yet for the pilot.[23]

When I first stumbled onto Fox news on the interwebz I thought it was a parody show making fun of Americans.

<mfw I found out that it was real and supposed to be a "proper" news show. (the bill oreily or whatever his name is needs to die slowly from ass cancer)

I have no idea why anyone would tolerate such blatant propaganda. >

Goes both ways

Australia’s Most Wanted: Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Bill O’Reilly…

Australia has strictly-enforced laws against inciting violence. Julian Assange — that infamous WikiLeaks subversive who’s trying to bring the Free World to its knees — is an Australian citizen.
Certain American politicians and shouting heads have talked about kidnapping/executing/assassinating Julian Assange. The offending blowhards include Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee and Bill O’Reilly, among others.
Mike Huckabee has said Assange should be executed. Bill O’Reilly has urged the execution of the person who leaked the files, but so far not Assange himself. Sarah Palin said Assange should be “pursued with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders.”
Dialing down the hate rhetoric just a notch, Peter King (R—Teabag) said the Secretary of State should officially designate WikiLeaks a “foreign terrorist organization.” Mitch McConnell (R—More Chins than the Hong Kong phone book) said the same thing, adding that if Assange hasn’t violated any U.S. laws, we need to change the law.
Assange’s lawyer — Robert Stary, based in Melbourne — said:
“Our main concern is really the possible extradition to the US. We've been troubled by the sort of rhetoric that has come out of various commentators and principally Republican politicians — Sarah Palin and the like — saying Mr. Assange should be executed, assassinated. Certainly if Sarah Palin or any of those other politicians come to Australia, for whatever purpose, then we can initiate a private prosecution, and that's what we intend to do.”
Sarah, Bill, Mike — Australia is supposed to be really nice this time of year. Wanna get away?

I am not sure what your getting at.

the bill oreily or whatever his name is needs to die slowly from ass cancer

I posted the entire passage so I won't be called out on "Didn't read further did you"


Julian Assange, founder of Wikileak is a Aussie

Whats that got to do with a poor quality news show? My reason for disliking Bill is based on his "interview" technique of talking over people its like watching a 3 year old having an argument who just covers his ears and goes na na I cant hear you.

Oh now I get it because Julian Assange is an aussie we must all be terrorist.

O'Reilly does have a blunt approach in getting answers. Does it pretty harsh. I also nailed him one someone brought up the Malmedy screw up he...scroll a bit up...scroll more you can see I counter with other news source besides Fox. I just counter. As for aussies being terrorist...never proclaim that or are you assuming I think that? You do know Australia has like over a thousand troops deployed in support of OEF and OIF?