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 Ignatius wrote:
Okay then. I agree with your post and I apologize for taking it a different and apparently incorrect way! Carry on

Nah, I see why you thought so. I originally did partially think that SM's held some unchallenged authority but apparently not.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am also firmly of the belief that Necron Living Metal is capable of self-repairing almost any damage, including partial melting.

I rarely get criticised for this, for some reason.

That's because it's pretty much true.

Indeed, but questioning the alloneshottiness of the Melta tends to incur aggravated responses.

Although, regarding the Necron anecdote, I should point out I am also of the belief that Living Metal can repair such damage rather quickly.

Depends on how damaged the Necron is. If it's obliterated, its pieces Phase Out to have its personality engrams installed into a new body. If it doesnt Phase, though, yeah, it'll be back up pretty quick.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am also firmly of the belief that Necron Living Metal is capable of self-repairing almost any damage, including partial melting.

I rarely get criticised for this, for some reason.

That's because it's pretty much true.

Indeed, but questioning the alloneshottiness of the Melta tends to incur aggravated responses.

Although, regarding the Necron anecdote, I should point out I am also of the belief that Living Metal can repair such damage rather quickly.

Ehhh? How quickly? I Believe in the living metal repair but sometimes Necrons to badly damaged need to be transfered to whatever those things are called that speed up the repairs and make them completely whole again.

But I know exactly squat about Necrons so I may be wrong

Kind of makes you wonder how Mogul Kamir man-stomped Necrons multiple times in his campaign.

It's possible that Necrons are physically weaker than their own creations. Seems true of a lot of factions. So you just kill the Necrons themselves easily and nuke their armor to kingdom come once they're "dead".

 TheCustomLime wrote:
It's possible that Necrons are physically weaker than their own creations. Seems true of a lot of factions. So you just kill the Necrons themselves easily and nuke their armor to kingdom come once they're "dead".

What?

Well, it was questioned how Mogul kamir defeated the Necrons when Living Metal is so powerful. I think it's because the Necrons themselves aren't as durable as the things that are made out of living metal so you can just shoot the Necrons dead and worry about the vehicles later. Now I realize how silly that sounds because Necron vehicles are quite powerful and it's not as easy to killing their riders to neutralize them.

Maybe he got lucky? Maybe he had the Guard fire a ton of ordinance at the Necrons? I don't know. Space Marines don't seem to be that good of a match up for Necrons given their excellent durability.

Because IG, SoB and xenos fanboys be jealous of the attention the über awesome Spess Mahreens get. Because of that they start to hate Space Marines and this hate is extended to Space Marine fans.

Maybe Space Marines are viewed as the flash / poster child for the game and they are viewed as a "starter" army.

So when you "really" get into the game, you play something else?

So space marine army player is viewed = to newbie?

Let me know when you are ready to play a real army son!

Just throwing out there conjecture, I play BT SM's after all.

I must admit I really liked the Dan Abnett books of Eisenhorn.

He really did convey dread very well when a CSM shows up and taking stock of what he had to throw at it before it tore him limb from limb just for fun... conveyed them as the real "gods of war".

I get the whole "rolling of eyes" and "they're the Marines, let's give them everything" treatment from all my fellow "xenos/chaos" players... don't quite get it, especially when I'm facing a wall of Tau supporting fire, or 4xHP Necron transports, or some super-armored Tzeentch master level 3 sorcerer build... Its basically the difference in personality type that either loves or hates the Oakland Raiders? Or if you root for Darth Vader instead of Luke? I think the psychological term is called "oppositional - defience"?

Personally, I perfer "The Imperium" because I can identify with "humanity" easier than with bugs or robots? The story line behind the motivations of other races of 40K just do not appeal to me? Chaos Marines are like spoiled little children pining for their father's attention... Eldar are too elitist... Tau are too "hippy"... Necrons are mindless... Tyranids are just "there"... nothing in the fluff of any of these appeals to me as far as wanting to play those armies...? That being said, there's no other army I'd rather fight against then say the Tyranids or the Necrons, who I lose too more often than not with my supposedly "overpowered & all inclusive" Marine lists? They make the best enemies, but their lists rely on gimmicks, imho, like: Gauss, Tesla & Protocols, or Rending and Synapse, or Thrust moves, Markerlights & Systems upgrades... and I would never play them myself... Guess that makes me a fanboy!

KommissarKarl wrote:
The internet hates everything that's popular. If Eldar were the best selling 40k army then forums would be full of scorn and derision for these "mary sues" and "elves IN SPESS". But Space Marines are the most popular, so they're labeled with all sorts of nonsense. None of it is true, they're an army just like any other. If you don't like them then of course that's cool, but generalizing them or the people who collect them is just wrong.

I don't know about you, but I have been saying that about Eldar for years. I have a dream that one day Chaos and Imperial, Tau and Ork, can all rise up together, hold hands, and go exterminate the Eldar as equals!

I pretty much hate every faction but ig, before the new sixth biok cam out i got some tau models because i liked the way the stealth suits look and even though i play them i still hate the tau and everything they stand for so hate from me is pretty well balanced. I do have a soft pity spot for nids and nid players.


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
Kind of makes you wonder how Mogul Kamir man-stomped Necrons multiple times in his campaign.

none can defeat the space mongols

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:
I pretty much hate every faction but ig

Why?


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Well, it was questioned how Mogul kamir defeated the Necrons when Living Metal is so powerful. I think it's because the Necrons themselves aren't as durable as the things that are made out of living metal so you can just shoot the Necrons dead and worry about the vehicles later. Now I realize how silly that sounds because Necron vehicles are quite powerful and it's not as easy to killing their riders to neutralize them.

Maybe he got lucky? Maybe he had the Guard fire a ton of ordinance at the Necrons? I don't know. Space Marines don't seem to be that good of a match up for Necrons given their excellent durability.

Well I mean a Necron Warrior's necrodermis isn't nearly as thick as a Monolith, so I guess.

I would go through my two-cents on this, but I think it's pretty much been said already. Liking Marines is fine, as long as the perception of them doesn't go too far, wherein Marines do things like laugh off plasma blasts, and other armies might as well not exist for how powerful they are in comparison.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Except Cain isn't that good, his entire career is simple luck. It's part of the reason why some people suspect he's an Imperial Saint or something like it.

Well, nah. He actually is a very skilled. He might put himself down a lot, but he really is a very skilled warrior and leader. He's also very cunning. Sure he's had his share of luck, but it would be wrong to say that his own skill wasn't a big factor in it too. Suffice to say, he's certainly not the average officer.

 Troike wrote:
I would go through my two-cents on this, but I think it's pretty much been said already. Liking Marines is fine, as long as the perception of them doesn't go too far, wherein Marines do things like laugh off plasma blasts, and other armies might as well not exist for how powerful they are in comparison.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Except Cain isn't that good, his entire career is simple luck. It's part of the reason why some people suspect he's an Imperial Saint or something like it.

Well, nah. He actually is a very skilled. He might put himself down a lot, but he really is a very skilled warrior and leader. He's also very cunning. Sure he's had his share of luck, but it would be wrong to say that his own skill wasn't a big factor in it too. Suffice to say, he's certainly not the average officer.

He's a good swordsmen for sure. But being a good swordsmen and a good leader doesn't save you when Necrons wake up and start sacking everything. But the GEOM is definitely protecting him, getting close to Saint-Hood.

Hell I'm surprised Cain wasn't canonized post mortem.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Troike wrote:
I would go through my two-cents on this, but I think it's pretty much been said already. Liking Marines is fine, as long as the perception of them doesn't go too far, wherein Marines do things like laugh off plasma blasts, and other armies might as well not exist for how powerful they are in comparison.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Except Cain isn't that good, his entire career is simple luck. It's part of the reason why some people suspect he's an Imperial Saint or something like it.

Well, nah. He actually is a very skilled. He might put himself down a lot, but he really is a very skilled warrior and leader. He's also very cunning. Sure he's had his share of luck, but it would be wrong to say that his own skill wasn't a big factor in it too. Suffice to say, he's certainly not the average officer.

He's a good swordsmen for sure. But being a good swordsmen and a good leader doesn't save you when Necrons wake up and start sacking everything. But the GEOM is definitely protecting him, getting close to Saint-Hood.

Hell I'm surprised Cain wasn't canonized post mortem.

That would require him to be officially dead. After the time he was announced dead but then turned out to be alive (Gravalax, I think?) they put in a rule that he wasn't to be declared dead or removed from active duty again. So even after his military burial with full honours he was listed as on active duty.

Guess the amount of bureaucracy to change one person from dead to alive is too much hassle to risk having it happen again