7th edition DE HQ, what do you take?

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**vipoid**

As a question, are you guys not at all concerned about sending an archon to do battle with a MC (who generally have at least S6)?

Seems like you're just asking to be insta-killed.

**HawaiiMatt**

vipoid wrote:
As a question, are you guys not at all concerned about sending an archon to do battle with a MC (who generally have at least S6)?
Seems like you're just asking to be insta-killed.

He's leading the wyches to tank the hits with their 4++. They are all dishing out 4+ poison attacks, thanks to the haemonculus.

-Matt

**Red Corsair**

Crimson wrote:
Corollax wrote:
S3 wounds T6 just fine. It has to roll a 6, but that's not a big problem.

Yes, but Agoniser wounds three times as likely, so it would have dealt three wounds for every one ID wound from the Huskblade.

Every MC we can wound has 4+ wounds meaning the Huskblade is in fact better for such a role.

**labmouse42**

Lelith Hesprax is an excellent mid-range beatstick IC for the point cost.

Lelith is not Vect. She is mid-range in cost, and excellent at what she does for the cost.

**vipoid**

labmouse42 wrote:

However, she will slice infantry squads to ribbons. When assaulting, she will swing an average of 9 times and deliver 4.4 wounds at I9. Her wounds do not allow normal saves, so are effectively AP2 for purposes of infantry.

Where are you getting 4.4 from?

**HawaiiMatt**

vipoid wrote:
labmouse42 wrote:

However, she will slice infantry squads to ribbons. When assaulting, she will swing an average of 9 times and deliver 4.4 wounds at I9. Her wounds do not allow normal saves, so are effectively AP2 for purposes of infantry.

Where are you getting 4.4 from?

Normal:
9 attacks, 6 hits. Wound on 5+, and re-roll 1's for buying the impaler. 6 hits, 2 wounds, 1 re-roll. Re-roll gets .33 wounds. 2.33 wounds.
If furious w/Impaler: 9 attacks, 6 hits, 3 wounds, +1 re-roll for 0.5 more wounds. 3.5 wounds.
In challenge, re-roll all to hit and to wound rolls. 9 attacks, 8 hits, 4.4 wounds.
If Furious and Challenge: 9 attacks, 8 hits, 6 wounds.
So, don't accept the challenge, and she does 2.33 wounds, or 3.5 wounds w/furious charge.

A succubus w/glaive is doing
1.66 wounds with +1 Init, LD, WS or Toughness drugs.
2.0 wounds with +1A drug
2.22 wounds with +1S drug

With Furious, your looking at:
2.22 wounds for most drugs
2.66 wounds w/Adrenalight(+1A)
2.77 wounds w/Grave Lotus (+1S)
And that's 95 points vs 150 (2 weapons) to 165 (impaler)

You at best gaining .67 wounds, and 1 better ward in combat for ~55 to 70 points.
At worst, you fight something T5, and the stock Succubus w/glaive does better.

**vipoid**

So, 4.4 is only in a challenge - not for slicing infantry.

**SarisKhan**

I'd never send an Archon to combat an MC alone. With assault grenades and Init 7 he's likely to strike first anyway.

**Corollax**

Crimson wrote:
Corollax wrote:
S3 wounds T6 just fine. It has to roll a 6, but that's not a big problem.

Yes, but Agoniser wounds three times as likely, so it would have dealt three wounds for every one ID wound from the Huskblade.

In this particular scenario, yes. If the target's toughness were lower, or if the Archon had strength increases from furious charge or previous soul trap boost, that ratio would change.

The huskblade also has the advantage of negating FNP.

**Exergy**

Corollax wrote:
Crimson wrote:
Corollax wrote:
S3 wounds T6 just fine. It has to roll a 6, but that's not a big problem.

Yes, but Agoniser wounds three times as likely, so it would have dealt three wounds for every one ID wound from the Huskblade.

In this particular scenario, yes. If the target's toughness were lower, or if the Archon had strength increases from furious charge or previous soul trap boost, that ratio would change.

The huskblade also has the advantage of negating FNP.

if one of those were true, you would have Str3 on T5, or Str4 on T6, which is still 6s to wound. You need multiple soul trap boosts to get anywhere near reliably putting wounds on T6.

**ShadarLogoth**

HawaiiMatt wrote:
H-Coven has the answer.
Put the haemonculus with the 10 point artifact in with the achron(s) with husk blade(s). Choose to give the whole unit poison 4+.

Now you have 4+ to wound AP3 instant death.

This.

This is quite intriguing.

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vipoid wrote:
As a question, are you guys not at all concerned about sending an archon to do battle with a MC (who generally have at least S6)?

Seems like you're just asking to be insta-killed.

Well...so is he (or she, or whatever lol). And, you strike first. Even if you are only wounding on 6's. you still have a pretty reasonable chance of insta-gibbing them. They shouldn't be getting a save, or often, at best, a 5++ or something.

Also, you have a 2++. That's kind of what it's there for.

**Hollismason**

Or you could just take the 2+ poisoned, Instant Death on a 6 guys.

**Cambonimachine**

Yeah i have been looking more and more at those Lhameans... they are just SO squishy.... and the Sslyth are so sweet with splinter racks...

**Hollismason**

Yeah the Court of the Archon is crazy good value.

**lessthanjeff**

HawaiiMatt wrote:
H-Coven has the answer.
Put the haemonculus with the 10 point artifact in with the achron(s) with husk blade(s). Choose to give the whole unit poison 4+.

Now you have 4+ to wound AP3 instant death.

The Sump doesn't give the whole unit that rule, just the model carrying it.