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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
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The focus is "always"? I mean, it was in TWW2, and I think that was a detriment to TWW2 because clearly a large draw for the game was ME. From memory, TWW2 had pretty poor launch sales and I'd be blaming at least part of that on the fact it didn't launch with ME.

Yep. The fact that you think that strategy is a detriment illustrates pretty clearly that it was their strategy.
Though technically speaking, I was talking about the DLC and how each one dropped races or a single LL and an army on the Vortex map with some sort of personal goal.

The mega map campaign is a not inconsequential piece of development. It was never going to launch with 2, just like the new one won't launch with 3. (Unless they get way ahead on their milestones, which seems unlikely with everything this year- I fully expect release to slip from late 2021 to early 2022, probably announcing that around October).
From the FAQ wrote:WILL THERE BE A COMBINED MAP FOR OWNERS OF ALL THREE GAMES?
Yes, though currently our focus is on Total War: WARHAMMER III.

The focus is on the main game. 'Mortal Empires 2' will follow.

Personally, I'd love it if they did an Old world and Vortex map playable in three as well (though without the 'vortex campaign'), playable with the TW3 updates to the appropriate races, though that's a big ask.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:We don't know what they'll be doing with the new game.

We... don't?
We know base the factions, we know the broad geographical overview, we've had a look at part of the endgame, we know there's a preorder race pack. What are you missing?
Here's the FAQ, by the way:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-iii-faq/

Obviously they're going to be pushing the new races, and they don't want to alienate people who aren't fans/owners of the first 2 games, but it'd be insane for them not to be pushing TWW3 as the completion of being able to play a truly massive campaign which includes all races from all games.
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That's coming. Obviously. Just not at launch.

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Voss wrote:
What are you missing?

How they manage the preorder DLC.

Though admittedly I didn't know they'd locked down the 6 races as being the 4 chaos gods + cathay and kislev. That probably makes it less likely that the preorder race will be available in TWW2 because I was thinking CD might still be an option as the DLC race.

But it's not like they don't want to sell TWW1 and TWW2 any more, on Steam (at least in Oz) they are still charging full price for those games and though you can get them on sale, even the sale price would still put a healthy amount of money in their pockets.
   
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TW Warhammer 1 and 2 go on regular steep sales on steam and 3rd party sites (like Fanaticals and Humble Bundle). They've also humble bundled the first game at least once. It was also in the recent free game set on the front of a White Dwarf issue


Whilst the game retails at its normal value, they have a lot of sales and give-aways to lower the price of entry.

   
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 Overread wrote:
TW Warhammer 1 and 2 go on regular steep sales on steam and 3rd party sites (like Fanaticals and Humble Bundle). They've also humble bundled the first game at least once. It was also in the recent free game set on the front of a White Dwarf issue


Whilst the game retails at its normal value, they have a lot of sales and give-aways to lower the price of entry.
Yeah, as I said, they have sales. But because the base price hasn't changed (rare for 4 and 5 year old games) and all the DLC you need to play Mortal Empires with all the trimmings, even when it's on sale 75% it's still making them a bit of money.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Voss wrote:
What are you missing?

How they manage the preorder DLC.


How they manage it? The same way they did for the yellow turbans in 3K. If you buy early (up to about a week after launch, iirc) you get the race/faction dlc as a bonus. Otherwise you have to pay separately.

This is also in the FAQ:
As with our previous Early Adopter bonuses, it will also be gifted to anyone who pre-orders or buys the game in the first week after release, so you will still be able to claim the Early Adopter bonus for free up to a week after the game has launched.

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And honestly this will be the 3d game in the series using the same core mechanics, the same core features and the same engine. It's one of the few times a pre-order is pretty darn safe and if not you've got a whole week to make an order after launch incase CA makes an (unexpected) bungle of epic proportions. Even then it would have to be extreme because this is their second biggest franchise seller and their most popular game in general

   
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 Overread wrote:
And honestly this will be the 3d game in the series using the same core mechanics, the same core features and the same engine. It's one of the few times a pre-order is pretty darn safe and if not you've got a whole week to make an order after launch incase CA makes an (unexpected) bungle of epic proportions. Even then it would have to be extreme because this is their second biggest franchise seller and their most popular game in general


The main thing that we're looking at as possible screw-ups are making some blatant flubs with racial mechanics, and ending up with something completely overpowered - along the lines of what people reported with Yuan Shao in Three Kingdoms, where he'd rapidly vassalize half the map early in the game (interestingly, Liu Bei is reported to have a problem right now due to cheap troops leading to far too many armies even before he's given Liu Biao's territories). That doesn't rule out other problems. Things up to and including "wipes your hard drive when you click the install button" are always a possibility (though a very remote one). But as you note, the core gameplay elements are very much a known quantity at this point due to the first two games.
   
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Voss wrote:
This is also in the FAQ:
As with our previous Early Adopter bonuses, it will also be gifted to anyone who pre-orders or buys the game in the first week after release, so you will still be able to claim the Early Adopter bonus for free up to a week after the game has launched.
I'm pretty sure that was true of Norsca too.
   
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snow leopards!!!

   
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 Overread wrote:
snow leopards!!!
Magic ones I think - maybe pet of the Ice Witch in the vid

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Even more bear sleds.
   
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I really, really dislike the aesthetics they went for with Kislev. It's OOT High Fantasy reminiscent of AoS or OOT elements from newer 40K. It's very jarring in comparison to the other human factions.

The magical elements clearly retcon lore in regards to Kislev. I expect Kislev to be similar to Bretonnia. A cavalry heavy faction with more focus on light/medium cavalry than heavy, no flying cavalry, monstrous cavalry via bears, better infantry across the board, weaker elite cavalry/melee lords/heroes (they're not supernaturally blessed), and a focus solely on Ice and maybe Life magic. Instead we have the most casual use of magic outside of the Tomb King constructs? Do the bloody Elves even use magic so casually as to pull sleds?

FFS, magic is chaos, magic is corrupting, why would the faction that basically exists to fight Chaos use a possibly corrupting element so casually?


Edit: It's an issue of "realism". It's an issue of in-universe rules being consistent.

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Elves have flying sleds pulled by Eagles...so...yeah - plus scourgerunner sleds really need magic to work ( I really don't like the Flying Hawk Chariots)

Ice Magic is by all the older lore heavily connected to the land and not accesible even to the Elves - which is why IMO) the Elemental Bear works so well and heavily in keeping with the sometimes huge nature spirits .

I would agree though that bear sleds are not great - seem to be replacement for the War Wagons.

Kislev is not the anti-chaos faction - thats more the Lizardmen - whose leaders use.....the most powerful magic. Kislev is about survivial - Chaos is just another danger.

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Far as I recall Magic isn't Chaos, but Chaos in the Old World feeds off magic in itself.


And Kislev didn't use a lot of magic in general, but when they went to war and their Ice Queen went to battle they most certainly did have access to a lot of magic then. It's basically the shift between Kislev at peace where its mostly a few chaos raiders causing trouble and Kislev at war where its warlords and huge armies striking from the Chaos Wastes and thus Kislev unleashes all they have to stem the tide of Chaos and hold them back.

   
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 Overread wrote:
Far as I recall Magic isn't Chaos, but Chaos in the Old World feeds off magic in itself.

And Kislev didn't use a lot of magic in general, but when they went to war and their Ice Queen went to battle they most certainly did have access to a lot of magic then. It's basically the shift between Kislev at peace where its mostly a few chaos raiders causing trouble and Kislev at war where its warlords and huge armies striking from the Chaos Wastes and thus Kislev unleashes all they have to stem the tide of Chaos and hold them back.


All Magic does eminate from the Realm Of Chaos - you can use it relatively safely..depending on how you do it....

Kislev Ice Witches are very powerful magic users (and politicians)

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Yep as Morden says the winds of magic are inherently Chaos. That's why the Albion stone circles and the Great Vortex exist, to siphon the winds to prevent the daemons being able to run amok. It's why the Annulii mountains of Ulthuan have so many mutated magical beasts, because the winds flow through and around them.

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Short vid on winged lancers...


   
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Shouldn't they have two wings?

Edit: One wing is goofy as all hell.

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Nope. Original models were one wing, so they're exactly how they're supposed to be.

Toss 'kislev winged lancer model kit' into google and you'll see a lot of results.

Tsar Boris is the only model I spotted with two.

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Meh, I'll just mod it. I was looking at the Polish Hussar.

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 trexmeyer wrote:
Meh, I'll just mod it. I was looking at the Polish Hussar.


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I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


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god i hate how, euugh.. high german translated into a pompous style for advertisement. Just not natural.... Also lol what is that punctuation before the pics

Also rip that one tzar which feat was to tame a bear, seems now everyone and their babuschka can tame a bear in Kislev.

But then agian considering it's also troll country that's not as unlikely.

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I was actually watching a documentary the other day about pets in historical periods and it was tlaking about how common bears were as pets in scandavian countries around the "Viking" era.

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I'm thinking of Wojtek.

Bears are intensely funny to me. They exist as just some guy most of the time, yet were revered by tons of cultures.

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Teaser for Khorne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur05W5lxzAM

What's that at 0:28-0:31?

Is it a Khorgorath? (supposedly no AoS in WH3, so it shouldn't be)
Is it Scyla Anfingramm? (doesn't look right with blades rather than fists)
Or is it just a khorne themed chaos spawn?

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While I haven't watched the trailer yet, I'll note that Skarbrand is in it. And a CA rep has stated that Skarbrand is merely jumping. He can't fly, as his wings have been destroyed.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
While I haven't watched the trailer yet, I'll note that Skarbrand is in it. And a CA rep has stated that Skarbrand is merely jumping. He can't fly, as his wings have been destroyed.


Yeah that's later

But, well, then they shouldn't have model him 'jumping' straight up while flapping his wings and not coming down.

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