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 Skerr wrote:
Sonos the psychic ability to grant force to a unit bunk? I was hoping that would be a nice benefit to the occult termies.

yeah that and the +2 invun power were just made up. SHAME

US products up: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/New-Exclusive?Nu=product.repositoryId&N=437024044+3252425321&qty=12&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=catnewexclusive

Just snagged my limited edition. Pretty stoked about that.

 nintura wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I suppose I haven't been paying too much attention to GW lately but...$40 for a plastic Ahriman?

Ouch!

$28 if they had allowed you to buy it from the UK....

er isnt that EUROs lol? wouldnt the exchange rate be about the same

i put 550€ into the release but well i wanted to expand on the army anyway since it literally was settling dust for years...

great thing about the +1 on the invulnerable save: activating force weapons is a blessing. so granting that improved save is really simple even without the right discipline. as every psyker knows it allready.

10-13min record ... dices sold out already in US ^^

 aracersss wrote:
10-13min record ... dices sold out already in US ^^

I managed to snag me a set! I hope. Had to change my paypal password and everything and still had time lol

Souba wrote:
i put 550€ into the release but well i wanted to expand on the army anyway since it literally was settling dust for years...

great thing about the +1 on the invulnerable save: activating force weapons is a blessing. so granting that improved save is really simple even without the right discipline. as every psyker knows it allready.

Good to know.

eosgreen wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I suppose I haven't been paying too much attention to GW lately but...$40 for a plastic Ahriman?

Ouch!

$28 if they had allowed you to buy it from the UK....

er isnt that EUROs lol? wouldnt the exchange rate be about the same

Euro's are about 1.18 per pound sterling, dollars are about 1.25 so it'd be about 32$ or 37ish Euros

FETH IT ALL!!!

I had the GW website pulled up on my phone. I'm at work and I work in an emergency room. The preorders weren't up yet and I get called into a trauma to assist and by the time I get out (20 minutes tops!) the preorders were up and the dice sold out!!!!!

Not my day!

GW needs to start making more dice. They're selling out, make more!!!!

Anyone knows how the saga ends? I have heard rumors, but not so many.. Of course your not writing it without spoiler alert..

Best Wishes!

 godswildcard wrote:

I had the GW website pulled up on my phone. I'm at work and I work in an emergency room. The preorders weren't up yet and I get called into a trauma to assist and by the time I get out (20 minutes tops!) the preorders were up and the dice sold out!!!!!

Yeah, bloody inconsiderate people, couldn't they be dying some other time so you could order some dice in peace!

(Sorry, I understand it is frustrating. Still a bit funny though.)

 Crimson wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:

I had the GW website pulled up on my phone. I'm at work and I work in an emergency room. The preorders weren't up yet and I get called into a trauma to assist and by the time I get out (20 minutes tops!) the preorders were up and the dice sold out!!!!!

Yeah, bloody inconsiderate people, couldn't they be dying some other time so you could order some dice in peace!

(Sorry, I understand it is frustrating. Still a bit funny though.)

Ya know, after re-reading it, I can totally see myself coming off that way. LoL.

But yeah, people should really think about my dice buying needs before sustaining injury! (/joke)

Sucks about dice, I wonder if I will be able to snag them from a local retailer who generally gets at least 1-2 of each release. Weren't the new Battleforces supposed to be up for pre-order today for availability on the 3rd, or is their pre-order date the 3rd?

 Toughsurvivor wrote:
Anyone knows how the saga ends? I have heard rumors, but not so many.. Of course your not writing it without spoiler alert..

Best Wishes!

I just made a thread with it in 40k general discussion

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709345.page

Here it is

Will the Wrath of Magnus Thousand Stuff stuff be in the Traitor's book? Just the rules, obviously not the campaign fluff or Daemons.

 kronk wrote:
Will the Wrath of Magnus Thousand Stuff stuff be in the Traitor's book? Just the rules, obviously not the campaign fluff or Daemons.

I hope so

Just for those who want to see the frontlinegaming rulepost (is actually down):

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JRhx_CkMyPIJ:https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/11/26/war-zone-fenris-wrath-of-magnus-review-dataslates-and-special-rules/

So now that Magnus has 'Boon of Mutation' he can turn himself into a spawn.

Garrtok wrote:
Just for those who want to see the frontlinegaming rulepost (is actually down):

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JRhx_CkMyPIJ:https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/11/26/war-zone-fenris-wrath-of-magnus-review-dataslates-and-special-rules/

FINALLY! They finally let the master of the Corvidae have Divination.

I like all the rules. I think the cost of Magnus is spot on. It's high enough that it's a risk given how high the rest of the army is. However, I am afraid that the Pink Horrors will be the next cheese. I might run a small unit just for S&Gs and the fun of putting more models on, but I wont be running large numbers. Dear Lord they'll be broken in Kill Team...

 nintura wrote:
I like all the rules. I think the cost of Magnus is spot on. It's high enough that it's a risk given how high the rest of the army is. However, I am afraid that the Pink Horrors will be the next cheese. I might run a small unit just for S&Gs and the fun of putting more models on, but I wont be running large numbers. Dear Lord they'll be broken in Kill Team...

Killteam specifically prohibits adding any new models to your roster via any source. I think it's called "You're on your own."

XT-1984 wrote:
So now that Magnus has 'Boon of Mutation' he can turn himself into a spawn.

I missed that. Where do you see that?

Garrtok wrote:
Just for those who want to see the frontlinegaming rulepost (is actually down):

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JRhx_CkMyPIJ:https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/11/26/war-zone-fenris-wrath-of-magnus-review-dataslates-and-special-rules/

Thanks for that link. Finally some decent leaks lol.
Those artifacts are pretty cool. Now if only they stopped that madness of making warlord traits random

Astral grimoire in particular is sweet. Does it mean we can have jump terminators lol? Is it limited to tzeentch or could maelstrom of gore berzerkers potentially first turn charge with that?

Really pleased with the rules on using CSM detachments as Thousand Sons, as I was just about to resign myself to retiring my converted CSM termies made with the old metal TS heads. They're back in action, although they, like the many old hybrid metal/plastic TS rubricae I already have, clash with the new aesthetics somewhat.

The man, himself: Magnus the Red: The big cheese, the head honcho, the main event! This is what everyone has been so excited to see, and for good reason! The return of a Primarch to the current timeline of Warhammer 40,000! This is so cool, and something most of us never thought would happen, but here we are. Let’s dive into this beast.
He’s got an impressive stat-line! Also, against what many had speculated he’s not a Gargantuan Creature but a Flying Monstrous Creature. This to me is a good thing. He is more accessible to “normal” play. This may not jive with the mental image many have of him, but I’d rather see him on more tabletops than not, so this was the right call, IMO. He rocks WS and BS 7, Strength 8, Toughness 7, 7 Wounds and Initiative, 6 Attacks, Leadership 10 and a 4+ save. He also weighs in at 650pts, base, so not cheap. He’s got a host of special rules:
Adamantium Will
Daemon of Tzeentch
Deep Strike
Eternal Warrior
Fearless
Fleet
It Will Not Die
Psyker level 5
Veterans of the Long War
Unearthly Power: harnesses Warp Charge on a 2+
The Lord of Flux Warlord Trait
Omniscient Eye: Magnus has LoS to every model on the table when determining the targets of his psychic powers.
Knows the Gaze of Magnus ability and all of the Tzeentch and Change powers. This is his biggest weakness as the powers he has access to are more limited. Gaze of Magnus will be the go to in most cases, but summoning in more units is always awesome, and a second option for a D shot isn’t bad, either.
His wargear is similarly impressive: The Blade of Magnus is Strength user, AP 2, Force, Soul Blaze and Transmogrify (which can turn models into Chaos Spawn). The Crown of Crimson Kings gives Magnus a 4++ and lets him ignore Perils…wow!
So there he is and what a beast! With a blessing on him, he’s rocking a 3++, is highly mobile, can see everything on the table for mind bullets, and generates and harnesses Warp Charge like a boss. His lack of diversity in powers is a bit of a drawback but his purpose is pretty clear: he blasts things with magic laser beams and can also kick their butts in melee. I see him as a mobile gunship, flying around reliably blasting high value targets and hidden scoring units with psychic powers. His speed and ability to ignore LoS in the psychic phase really makes him a scary model. He’s highly durable and doesn’t really need a lot of support. If needs be can come down to the ground to tango with his powerful Blade of Magnus, he most certainly can. Is he worth 650pts? I think so. He’s very hard to hurt, he packs a vicious punch and is versatile. Is he worth 650pts compared to other units you can take for those points? Eh, maybe not, but that will depend on the player. I don’t think you will go wrong if you decide to put him in your list and the combos you can pull with allies such as Fateweaver get nasty, but also eat up most of your points. What combos do you think you can pull with Magnus? Do you think he is worth the hefty price tag? And it bears repeating: what a bad ass model! Which head option would you go with?

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Toughsurvivor wrote:
Anyone knows how the saga ends? I have heard rumors, but not so many.. Of course your not writing it without spoiler alert..

Best Wishes!

I just made a thread with it in 40k general discussion

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/709345.page

Here it is

Thanks Man!

I'm having doubts about the horrors actually.

Sure, it will be a nightmare to clear them out-assuming they make new units.
But if they don't make new units, but are part of the same unit-they will quickly take down the unit's quality due to average T value.
And if they DO make new units-that's the mother of all killpoint mines to exploit right there. blue horrors are rather fragile, and brimestones are as fragile as possible (who ares about 2W when you are T2? practically only Deldar, guard and GSC don't Id you with basic guns)


Anyway, from the few tidbits of known information, the 1ksons won't be as terribad as the previously existing TCSM/1ksons, but won't be very impressive either.

Magnus is a huge deal, but he's too big to be affordable for a standard game. just too many points into one model in an army already suffering from low model count.

Ahriman is unchanged sans the ability to take a disc and having more diciplines to work with. except, his main "unique thing" is the ability to spam a given witchfire, so new diciplines are not really attractive for him.
The disk could make him good, if priced cheap. but as it stands, 230 for him just isn't good enough.

The base rubrics are unchanged sans having new weapon options. but said weapon options are not really worth the price given that their base gun is pretty good to begin with. (heck, the flamer is arguably a downgrade!)

Exalted sorcerers...are not any better than regular sorcerers I'd reckon. a regular sorcerer with level 2 and MoT is 100, so its 60 points over for +1W,I,BS, fearless and a 1-shot attack.
That attack is good, but not THAT good, and being decent in CC due to higher I with his force weapon does not change all that much.
And MoT isn't all that good by itself. so unless they got themselves something more built-in, I'm not impressed.

Tzaangors are decent, but for horde purposes you would probably just take horrors anyway.


Scarab Occult, the leader clocks out as a 125 points sorcerer if you built him from a regular sorcerer, but again-MoT overpriced (though on termies its actually useful)
So you got 125 points split among the rest of the crew, being 31.25 per termi-not bad at all. 40 for extras though, so another squad will serve you better then buffing numbers.
Ap3 bolters is nice, but you already got plenty of these. the value drops the more you get due to over saturation. power weapons are...not horrible. and built in MoT is nice on termies.
Compared to regular CSM termies where you pay 39 for a termi with MoT and VotLW, you are getting a steal, but who takes these two on them?
Weapons upgrades are again, completely pointless, as you already got similar power coming from your regular guns.
So are they worth 250 base? I have my doubts. they are not horrid, heck they are better than most termies. but then again, compared to termies.



It all comes down to the formations eventually.
The units themselves, none really impresses me. (and I already bought a 1ksons army, via BoP. so I'm pretty bummed. hope the BoP kit can form a formation host.)

Emperor protect us.....honestly, against that amount of horrors I'm not sure what to do. how do you handle that many models? It almost seems like they took daemon factory and turned it up a notch.

Garrtok wrote:
Just for those who want to see the frontlinegaming rulepost (is actually down):

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JRhx_CkMyPIJ:https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/11/26/war-zone-fenris-wrath-of-magnus-review-dataslates-and-special-rules/

So Magnus is a 2++ rerollable IWND monster that will never die, and the rest of the army is crap due to still being over priced. People will just run Magnus with a bunch of pink horror as WC generators so he can wreck gak. What fun...