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I think I would have liked to have the option to join enemy factions and have whole different questlines.. like, you could join the Silver hand to take out the Companions, or that imperial guy who is trying to kill the dark brotherhood.. or the elves to side with the fella that wanted the eye of magnus in the college quests, etc. Joining the forsworn would have been good too. There's a quest to help some forsworn old guy, but all the other forsworns still hate you after you do it.
Do the quest for the kid, When taken by Astrid and she tells you "You can't leave until someone dies" Kill her and loot the body. You get a Quest called "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" and you get to leave the shack, since someone died. Just not one of the folks she expected.
Cool maybe I'll do that with my other character.. is there anything else to it, or does the quest line end there? If Astid is out of the way, does that mean there can be no Shadowmere?
Necros wrote:Cool maybe I'll do that with my other character.. is there anything else to it, or does the quest line end there? If Astid is out of the way, does that mean there can be no Shadowmere?
Spoiler:
Maro in Dragon bridge gives you the password to the Sanctuary. You break in and start killing. Then you go back to maro and get 3000 gold (and any loot you took from the Brotherhood Corpses.
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Deathshead420 wrote:Ill take the shadowmere instead.
and the basically unlimited gold you get by doing their quests.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Yeah, see how many "good guy" possibilities this game has. I guess it's to be expected considering TES games have never been black/white. But at least in Oblivion, helping Martin seemed heroic. Now you're choices are joining up with loser cowards or moronic racists. Yay.
Forgive me if this was already mentioned, but the Creation Toolkit is expected in January (YES! )
and also, Beth is interested in doing the Steam Workshop much like TF2. There is a bit of a problem with that, highlighted with this news post from Skyrim Nexus (the main modding site for Skyrim) as there are those that wonder "Is Steam Workshop just going to be used for FREE content, or also for PAID content?"
Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Why do you guys keep talking about shadowmere like its the best thing since sliced bread
Mine died.
I thought he was invincible?
I've seen him kill dragons!
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Manchu wrote:Yeah, see how many "good guy" possibilities this game has. I guess it's to be expected considering TES games have never been black/white. But at least in Oblivion, helping Martin seemed heroic. Now you're choices are joining up with loser cowards or moronic racists. Yay.
The Nord seperatist thing was created to try and give people reasons to join both sides, so is pretty grey by necessity. But helping Martin in Oblivion is like the main quest in this game - you're saving the world. It's basically heroic by definition.
I've also gone and gotten all kinds of ancestral airlooms for people, defeated evil necromancers returning from the dead, and other similar quests. There's plenty of 'good' things to do.
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The best, however, is definitely the Torture room in the DB Sanctuary. Oh how I do love that room.
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Manchu wrote:Yeah, see how many "good guy" possibilities this game has. I guess it's to be expected considering TES games have never been black/white. But at least in Oblivion, helping Martin seemed heroic. Now you're choices are joining up with loser cowards or moronic racists. Yay.
The question is, why would you want to be "good" in this game?
If you want to be a good guy, settle down, get married, have a dozen kids and live happily ever after. and maybe kill a dragon every now and then for funzies.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
sebster wrote:But helping Martin in Oblivion is like the main quest in this game - you're saving the world. It's basically heroic by definition.
Defeating the dragons is saving the world. But you can do that (while missing out on big chunks of content) without joining either side. The character of Martin, his own motivations and sacrifices, gave moral shape to your involvement in a way that stumbling across and slaughtering dragons does not ... even after a mysterious, amoral group of old dudes validates what you're already up to.
I've also gone and gotten all kinds of ancestral airlooms for people, defeated evil necromancers returning from the dead, and other similar quests. There's plenty of 'good' things to do.
Fetch quests can be good guyish (Mjoll's is a good example) but it's hardly a counterpoint to the Dark Brotherhood ... along with a large portion of the rest of the game. In this game, I see no moral distinction between killing an "evil" necromancer and killing a sabre cat. I'll give you preventing the Wolf Queen's return. That brings us up to about four of five good things.
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Grey Templar wrote:The question is, why would you want to be "good" in this game?
Because I don't want every one of my characters to be thuggishly amoral or maniacally evil? For a game of wide possibilities, this is a surprisingly distinct lacuna.
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Grey Templar wrote:If you want to be a good guy, settle down, get married, have a dozen kids and live happily ever after. and maybe kill a dragon every now and then for funzies.
That's my point. If you want to be good in Skyrim, don't play the majority of the game.
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Maybe we'll see an expansion like Knights of the Nine was for Oblivion. a heroic good guy quest(which I actually liked much better then the main quest)
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I hope so. KotN was pretty weak, IMO, but I doubt we'll see anything larger in scale than that devoted to good guys antics. But they did makeTribunal so maybe there's hope for it.
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