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sebster wrote:

Anvildude wrote:Then the Third re-applies their faith in the world? What's the fourth do? Well, I suppose for that we'll just have to see what Mellissa thinks.

Maybe. It just seems that after being disappointed that Oblivion wasn't Morrowind v2.0, a lot of those fans are accepting Skyrim on it's own terms, more or less.

I mean, at first I just thought the reason I and so many others were underwhelmed by Oblivion was because it wasn't that good. Small, underwhelming towns, horrible levelling system, poor and really restricted voice acting and all that. But now it seems like loads of players aren't thinking like that, they remember Oblivion fondly and are a little underwhelmed by Skyrim.

I noticed some of those folk played Oblivion as their first Elder Scrolls game, which led me to my little pet theory.

Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls game, and I feel Skyrim is quite an improvement.

Morrowind was my first, and I think Skyrim is the best entry in the series so far.

The only thing that's disappointed me so far, is the Magic. Too few spells, and not being able to craft your own, kind of sucks.

I played Oblivion then Skyrim and so far I prefer Skyrim.

I played Morrowind, goofed off with some modding, but never knew where the heck to go, and I didn't understand why no one liked the fact I was picking up every item everywhere, and no one wanted this "skooma" stuff I had (the value was high). So I would restart my game over and over and over, etc... and just never got anywhere, the game never held my attention.

Oblivion was a little better, after playing the starting on my friends' xboxes, I finally bought it for my computer and finally left the starting area and made it to my first oblivion gate, but I never touched it after that...

I played one other character in Skyrim, a dark elf mage, at least I wanted him to be a mage. And I was like... okay, this isn't so bad...

My Nord battlemage is kicking butt and taking names now, and I love the game.

Tried it out, got to the first town past the intro, but have class later so I can't get too invovlved.

Was a definite improvement over morrowind and oblivion as far as gameplay goes.

Gonna get the crafting meltdown thing. As a mage, I really just want my dagger/sword (dagger off-hand, main offensive spell primary) to be good, which means I want iron ingots. Lots of them.

Turns out I can run skyrim, I just can't start a new game or go anywhere near riverwood...

Anyone posted this yet?

I started with Morrowwind, didn't own a PC before 2002, so missed out on a fair few of the PC rpg 'Classics' before that time.

Still enjoying the game, been busy with other jobs this week though, so not got much playtime in. Still not lvl 20 yet.

Like someone said earlier, I had the same problem with Morrowind, just not knowing where to go or what to do and wandering around aimlessly till I got bored. It managed to keep me busy for a week but I guess I lost track of the main quests and gave up.

Skyrim is much better, in fact I haven't put it down since 11/11/11. Much to the chagrin of my half-painted army men.

I dinged level 50 last night, kicked the imperials out of skyrim once and for all till the next DLC, and now I'm gonna finish up the main quests.

I think my next char will be a mage, thinking destruction/conjuration mostly, and I want to walk around everywhere and just explore, instead of fast traveling everywhere all the time.

I just had the LEAST luckiest dragon encounter ever;

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I started with Morrowwind, didn't own a PC before 2002

What kind of cave did you live in?

Heh, just one of those things, was into console gaming during the late nineties, PC gaming seemed a distant place to me.

Wasn't until I got a really good job in 2001-ish, I could afford one. Plus started going out with Aurelia in 97, moved in together in 98, so had other things on my mind.

I like Bethesda, but I do have one complaint/problem. In FO3 and more so in FO:NV and Skyrim, the people in these lands are a hive mind or can communicate by telepathy. If you kill or steal, EVERYONE knows! You can be in a room and out of site, but they know. The everyone in town or in the faction know you are bad.

Wish they would fix this. Anyone else notice this?

brotherskeeper74 wrote:I like Bethesda, but I do have one complaint/problem. In FO3 and more so in FO:NV and Skyrim, the people in these lands are a hive mind or can communicate by telepathy. If you kill or steal, EVERYONE knows! You can be in a room and out of site, but they know. The everyone in town or in the faction know you are bad.

Wish they would fix this. Anyone else notice this?

Uh, I thought they did fix that in Skyrim. Crimes don't transfer between holds. Then again, I haven't had any problems with that in any of their games.

yeah, Crime doesn't transfer between holds and if you kill the last witness/there are no witnesses then your bounty is removed.

Note: You MUST be sneaking and out of sight to get away with theft or murder with no witnesses. If you are standing up straight then everyone knows you are there. Your victim must also be silenced immediatly, they can't scream or the jig is up.

Even if there are no witnesses, it's still not always perfect. A while ago I got jumped by some bandit or something, and a passing guard out on the road jumped in to "help" I killed the bandit, then the guard started hitting me and immediately it said "bounty added to whatever". I killed the guard, and there was still a bounty.. yet no one else was around at all

Attacking guards is different, that adds a bounty regardless of witnesses.

But he started it :(

Corruption happens

Swordwind wrote:Anyone posted this yet?

Chowder (feels weird calling him that now) posted it a while ago, I've memorised it.

Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls game. After I played that, I bought Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind.

Was underwhelmed by Oblivion afterward. Was still fun though. I'm am just LOVING Skyrim. The Guilds seem much more realistic than Oblivion IMO.

I am really frustrated by the lack of "good guy" things to do. I started what I hoped to be a paladin-style board'n'sword last night (Imperial seems perfect for block+onehand+resto) but couldn't think of a thing to do after character creation.

It's hard to be a nice guy in Skyrim. Every quest is about killing someone or something, or finding an item and in finding it you have to kill someones or somethings

I tried freeing captives, like one time there was a guy getting lead down the road by a group of high elves. I freed the guy by giving him a spare weapon, then we killed all the elves, and the guy just ran off without even saying thanks.

Manchu wrote:I am really frustrated by the lack of "good guy" things to do. I started what I hoped to be a paladin-style board'n'sword last night (Imperial seems perfect for block+onehand+resto) but couldn't think of a thing to do after character creation.

Bounties. Draug hunting. Dragon Slaying(well atleast the ones that attack settlements). Freeing Thalmor Captives.

Just go clear out dungeons. Also, if you 'ask for work' at inns, they'll give you little quests that are 'good guy' things to do.

There's little in the main quest that's 'heroic', it's all politics and ancient prophecies.

Fetching someone's lost alembic and stuff of that nature does not count as "good guy" quests.

Similarly, clearing out dungeons/tombs/dragon nests is completely neutral. Taking bounties falls into this category as well.

When you help people overcome their faults (the two quests in Riften I mentioned above) or deliver some righteous justice (like in the Golden Claw quest), that's a "good guy" quest.

So what does that leave for evil doers or, at least, the good-disinclined?

- Almost all of the Daedric quests. (The not-evil ones are completely neutral, minus Meridia's and helping Erandur.)

- The Thieves' Guild quests, which are more neautral than evil but certainly not good.

- The Dark Brotherhood quests.

- Either of the sides in the main quest have very dark overtones.

- The Companions are bloodthirsty werewolves.

College? Nothing more evil than a Thirst for Knowledge!

Not all of the Companions are werewolves, only those in the circle. AFAIK Ria isn't a werewolf, and nor are a few of the other ones.

Actually, the companions are the good guys. They try to help people, and when you first approach whiterun you see them killing a giant that was terrorizing some farm.
And Kodlak, the leader of the companions, wants to remove the curse.

Yes, and their quests are ... about helping people out of the goodness of their hearts?

The Companions are not good guys. They are a business. Everything that's not a job is just gang war with the Silver Hands. Even Kodlak wanting to remove his curse is just self-interest. He wants one afterlife rather than another.


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Anvildude wrote:College? Nothing more evil than a Thirst for Knowledge!

This questline was the single most disappointing aspect of Skyrim for me. Only one thnig, the huge Dwarven orrery deal, was interesting and that turned out to be much less cool than I expected.