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You really don't understand the dilemma then, if you think that's simple.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Okay, okay.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?

What if you were in the Police force, experiencing this discrimination, and you have never wanted to be anything other than a Police Officer? And there are plenty of careers that would be similar to this.

What if I was creating a set of circumstances that made my argument sound correct and yours implausible? That's like trying to use an Ayn Rand story as anecdote

You're the one who suggested just leaving that career path in the first place. I've just pointed out it isn't that simple, especially if you are trying to make a career, not a job, out of it.

I'd hazard a guess that you work in an area where there are plenty of other similar opportunities, like a bartender or Supermarket employee, or that you are low on the career rung-ladder if you are in fact in one.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males. I've seen women get promoted when I thought men should and the other way. I believe in modern America victim mindsets cause much more damage than outright discrimination.

Meanwhile I regularly get called a feminist bitch for arguing for such things as female avatars in video games, equal pay for equal work, equal rights and responsibilities in the military, and so on.

Hell, I got called one just because I expected to be able to play a 40k game with a random person in a games workshop store, because apparently 40k is a boys only club.

Melissia wrote:You really don't understand the dilemma then, if you think that's simple.

What more is there to it?

You get fired or you don't.

You do the lawsuit or you don't.

You put up with second rate treatment or you don't.

Also, I have no problems with your views on equality and while you are a feminist you are not a raging-piss-standing-up-hate-all-men feminist who in my eyes are no better than the sexist pricks who think women belong in the kitchen.

I simply asked why someone had to stay in it after you inferred that careers bind someone and they can never change. I was merely suggesting there were other options. I do work in an area with similar opportunities but I don't see the bearing here (barring some perceived superiority). By me admitting that options exist, never commenting on if they are practical or not, it marks me somehow?

CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE GOD!....

.... sorry.

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males. I've seen women get promoted when I thought men should and the other way. I believe in modern America victim mindsets cause much more damage than outright discrimination.

Meanwhile I regularly get called a feminist bitch for arguing for such things as female avatars in video games, equal pay for equal work, equal rights and responsibilities in the military, and so on.

Hell, I got called one just because I expected to be able to play a 40k game with a random person in a games workshop store, because apparently 40k is a boys only club.

I would think you get called one because you can be really abrasive, and, at times, bitch-like in approach. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out that your style of dealing with things is unnecessarily harsh sometimes. You've even admitted it on a few occasions If that's you, more power to you, but don't expect different results regardless of how reasonable your complaint is.


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Slarg232 wrote:CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE GOD!....

.... sorry.

It best damn be pre-rolled!

corpsesarefun wrote:What more is there to it?

A lot more. Or have you never actually held a real job before? I don't mean some cheap minimum wage gig (or something close to it) where you're easily replaceable and noone gives a feth about you because you're just one of thousands in the area that could be replaced, and you can easily find another job elsewhere. Go through six years of college and get a full degree and get a job connected to it.

So you don't get fired... but you're discriminated against even more because the company doesn't like you for rocking the boat. So now you can't advance, you can't get raises, the atmosphere is incredibly stressful and unfriendly, and your life sucks. And all for what? You didn't get any benefit from it. You just got screwed over by the system. And you can't find any work elsewhere in your field because other companies know about your rocking the boat and they sure as hell don't want you working for THEM. So now you're basically stuck in an office hell. Or you get fired... and you can't find another job because you rocked the boat and companies don't like that. So now you're jobless, with the debts of life (student loans being a big one nowadays, what with how necessary degrees are to actually get a good job), and all of your college years are worthless.

These scenarios aren't unlikely, in fact, they're infamous for their likelihood. It is not simple because you must live with the consequences of your decision, which can ruin the rest of your life. After imagining even a decade of suffering from the fallout of such a decision, it's hard to imagine not regretting it at least a little, no matter how much conviction you have.


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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I simply asked why someone had to stay in it after you inferred that careers bind someone and they can never change.

You can change your career, but it's expensive and time consuming when any job that doesn't suck involves either a high level of expense, risk and stress (owning your own company) or completely redoing your education (which is expensive and stressful).

Making such a decision is not easy.


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I'm not saying it's bad to take risk, I'm saying you're making it look easy and simple when it is not.

I know how this is going to make me look, but there are rich people who didn't go to college. There's more than one way to make it and I know we're talking about someone already established in a career, but the career isn't the ultimate form of life for everyone. Some people are perfectly happy with or without. I'd still argue that it really is that simple. Just because other options have risk of failure and someone is scared of them doesn't mean they fail for everyone or there aren't ways to reduce that risk.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I simply asked why someone had to stay in it after you inferred that careers bind someone and they can never change. I was merely suggesting there were other options. I do work in an area with similar opportunities but I don't see the bearing here (barring some perceived superiority). By me admitting that options exist, never commenting on if they are practical or not, it marks me somehow?

Of course they could change their career, there isn't anything that binds you to a particular career path. But in many cases, people have wanted this career their entire lives, or are at least dedicated to it from a certain point (especially in the Police/Fire Brigade/Armed Services). Often moving out of a career is the least desirable option, and there are a hundred others that are equally useless in terms of this discussion.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I know how this is going to make me look, but there are rich people who didn't go to college.

No, you don't need to go to college to be an entrepreneur. But you do need to take a lot of risk and get lucky in order to actually succeed in it.

That's not really a problem. It's just a path like any other with it's ups and downs.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Okay, okay.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does someone have to stay in that career path?

What if you were in the Police force, experiencing this discrimination, and you have never wanted to be anything other than a Police Officer? And there are plenty of careers that would be similar to this.

Then one way or another, you must make a sacrifice.

Better than saying it's their fault becuase they didn't "want it" enough.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Better than saying it's their fault becuase they didn't "want it" enough.

Quote where anyone said that.

Please don't spam the thread with irrelevent images.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
I know how that is, but that also means as people they still "don't want it enough." If it's important enough to accomplish, you'll risk lots; if it's less important than other things, you won't risk anything. Neither is more right than the other, it's just a value judgment.

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And Holy gak.

Chowder, I will keel you so hard you will die from it if you post another fat chick

Don't spam the thread.

MY EYES

Emperors Faithful wrote:Better than saying it's their fault becuase they didn't "want it" enough.

...does not equal:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
I know how that is, but that also means as people they still "don't want it enough." If it's important enough to accomplish, you'll risk lots; if it's less important than other things, you won't risk anything. Neither is more right than the other, it's just a value judgment.

I never said it was their fault, that they were the cause. I just said the risk wasn't worth it to them. I never even said that they would be successful either, only that they could be.

It's still a predominantly Lose-Lose situation.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:[...] only that they could be.

Yeah and technically I could possibly potentially if the Christian god's divine will shined upon me maybe be the president when I reach the proper age for it, too.

It's also possible for Glenn Beck to not be a total gak-fether.

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:[...] only that they could be.

Yeah and technically I could possibly potentially if the Christian god's divine will shined upon me maybe be the president when I reach the proper age for it, too.

Well, there is no certainty. And it could happen if unseen circumstances culminated and...

It's also possible for Glenn Beck to not be a total gak-fether.

Actually, no. I don't think so.

Was it really so hard to admit that it is possible, if unlikely?

Admit? I never denied it in the first place. But it being such a small chance means that it is an unnecessary risk. Kinda like wearing a KKK robe and hood and going to a black panther rally.

Sure they might think it's funny too, but...

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

Slarg232 wrote:CHANGE FOR THE CHANGE GOD!....

.... sorry.

It best damn be pre-rolled!

NO! COUNT YOUR COINS AND REPENT! REPENT i SAY!

Anyway, I actually wanted to hit a guy at work today. I work with this lady, and I will be the first to say it, she has a mighty fine butt. But I work with her every day, so I don't really think about it. Well, along comes this guy (as part of a group) who is taking inventory for us with fancy smancy tools, and I ask her for some help on something that neither me nore him could figure out, and she helps us, and as she is walking away, this dude says "Oh man, she has a mighty fine ass, don't you agree?" When I grunted a reply, he just kind of looked at me incrediously. I mean, I work with her, and she's also kind of married.....

(Edit: Keels Chowderhead so hard he dies from it, hides the body in the dumpster)

Women get equal rights in military forces... well in Australia anyway - they just can't be selected for special forces as the male body is more eligible for the job.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Going anecdotal here, I've had just as many female higher ups as males.

Hmm... If I tally it up, I get:
2 white females
2 white males
1 asian female
1 black male

For me, it's a 50/50 split, with pretty decent racial diversity, to boot. In terms of competence, overall, the women were no more or less competent than the men, tho skill sets, etc. varied.
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@chowderhead: holy crap, dude. I'm OK with a little cushion for the pushin', but this ain't the thread for it.

Chowder, why the immature pictures of scantily clad morbidly obese women? If you want to troll people with surprising and off-topic pictures, go to 4chan and leave us alone.