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Mr.Giggles wrote:
I want Celestian rough riders with exploding Lance's with the melta rule and storm shields. Oh! And they should get a 2+ save, due to their horses having barding and +1 toughness for being on horseback.

I know it won't happen, but I can dream.

Khador Uhlans in Warmachine are almost literally that.

Ideas for new Sisters units:

Prioress - superior version of Canoness, includes an elderly-appearing variant head, etc
Nunciate - special bodyguard for a Canoness/Prioress, acts as a Chaplain-type character
Legatine Advance (superior version of a Celestine squad leader)
Sister Famulous - female alternative to Priests/Missionaries
Techmarine equivalent, helps with vehicles/Penitent Engines etc. Basically a super geeky female mechanic type model

Palatine Squad - melee-only unit (could appear like female Terminators with Lightning Claws)
Constantia (equivalent of Space Marine Scouts)
Two-Sister weapon teams
Sniper unit
Biker unit

New Exorcist variant that trades the missles for a ridiculously large Melta Cannon, providing Sisters with a way of killing tough enemy characters

Mobile Chapel - acts as a summary judgement/execution centre ( features a huge central fireball for throwing enemies into)

Avatar of Faith - the counter to a Daemonic summon - all the Sisters believe so hard in the Emperor's perfection that they collectively hallucinate to life what they view as his avatar. Takes the form of a ghostly unicorn, because all the SOBs are fair maidens

They could also expand on the Orders by having a special character for each of the major Orders, e.g. a named Hospitalier for one Order, a named Dialogous for another, etc.
Plus throw in Ephrael Stern, Veridyan, and Mirya.

Palatines, if they refer back to the sisters of codex past, would be a lieutenant variant.

In some ways, I'd rather see Novite sisters in a similar way to Black Templar and their crusader squads (fluff, not rules).

There really isn't a need for two sister weapon teams, as they can already single person use heavy weapons as is.

A mobile chapel that acted as a source for buffs would be cool.

I'd like to see living saints other than Celestine, much like an imperial demon prince, than Avatars of Faith.

They definitely need more special characters.

Eh, this is why I'd rather see them focus on Ecclesiarchy units than more types of Sisters squad(a couple of variants of existing Sisters squads is fine); most of the suggestions just make them more like Space Marines in structure.

Make Celestians decent, do a melee variant of Seraphim maybe, then give us Frateris Militia, Arcoflagellants, Crusaders etc etc.

Plastic Archos would be fun.

 Casbyness wrote:
Sister Famulous - female alternative to Priests/Missionaries

I think the correct female alternative to priests and missionaries is priests and missionaries. But women.

How about some Pronatus sister character handing out relics to the Sisters, and getting you bonus if you kill an enemy character that has a relic?

Priestesses and missionaries. But priestess is just the feminine form of priest.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I don't find the "gimmick" thing very satisfying as an argument. Pretty much all the units we have are "gimmick" units to an extent. In fact the worst unit we have, Celestians, are bad because they DON'T have a gimmick nad are unsatisfying and bland and have no real use.

Celestians definitely need work.

I mean, if I’m thinking of the right unit, they’re shooty troops distinguished as being Veterans by.....and extra attack? Oh, and a few extra special weapons for the squad.

Less than satisfactory, I’m sure you’ll agree Dear Reader.

How best to correct this? I’m not sure. Immediate concepts? Some kind of INV save? Perhaps Exploding Sixes to get more hits? Some bonus to wounding? Perhaps they always have ObSec, regardless of comparative numbers?

Personally, I'd split them into two units - probably with new names, but both filling the Celestian role. Background indicates that the talents the individual sisters display directs them into one branch or the other.

Ranged Celestians, which lose the bonus attack but get some form of improved range ability - be it better BS, bonus hits on natural 6's to hit, MW on natural 6's to wound with boltguns, or something like that.

Melee Celestians, which keep the additional attack, possibly also get an improved WS as well, bolt pistol/chainsword/combat shield and a bodyguard rule.

Anyone else reckon we'll get a revamped Dialogus as a clampack?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
Anyone think Sisters Of Silence and Inquisitor units will be rolled into this codex?

They shouldn't be, but I can totally see Sisters of Silence getting rolled in.

Women, Power Armour, Boltguns, don't like psykers, Rhinos; don't have any other idea what to do with them...

If they're lucky they might get a Centura or Silent Judge model out of it.

I don't know how Priahs and Sister would interact - Sisters of Silence tend to see reality, Sororitas are rooted in belief.

I would prefer a Full Sisters of Silence Codex.

Sisters of Silence are in a really odd place. They've only 1 single kit to their name at present and are kind of in an odd ball slot. Many thought they've be rolled into Custodes, esp since they share the very same style and golden armour approach; but they weren't.

Sisters of Battle also tend to hold the flag for "female space marines" and one would expect GW to have fleshed them out with individual chapters rather than create two themed armies competing for the same kind of slot.



Yes I say that even though I'm full aware Sisters are NOT "Real" marines, but they hold the very same visual designs and to the casual observer and those who are not steeped in the depths of the lore, they are basically the female marines. They use the same looking weapons, armour and vehicles.

Half the fun with 30k SoS is kitbashing the units that don’t have actual models.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
Anyone think Sisters Of Silence and Inquisitor units will be rolled into this codex?

They shouldn't be, but I can totally see Sisters of Silence getting rolled in.

Women, Power Armour, Boltguns, don't like psykers, Rhinos; don't have any other idea what to do with them...

If they're lucky they might get a Centura or Silent Judge model out of it.

I don't know how Priahs and Sister would interact - Sisters of Silence tend to see reality, Sororitas are rooted in belief.

I would prefer a Full Sisters of Silence Codex.

Lets be honest, its not hard for GW to say "Guilliman told the SoS to aid the SoB in their anti-psyker shenanigans".

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
As cool as it would be, I think robed Sisters with burning instruments mounted on horseback would be a bit politically touchy.

I really don't know what you mean. I was thinking Medieval Knights mixed with Imperial Guard Rough Riders.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I don't know how Priahs and Sister would interact - Sisters of Silence tend to see reality, Sororitas are rooted in belief.

"- but then the hotel room had only one bed!"

That's a good point that it's hard to see how they could co operate mechanically on a battlefield, but there's some very interesting dramatic potential in that dynamic. Have they had any notable fluff interactions?

If anything Sisters of Silence fit better in a general Inquisition / imperial agents book; l don’t think there’s enough to expand them into a separate force and rolling them in with SoB “cause women” is just stupid.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
Anyone think Sisters Of Silence and Inquisitor units will be rolled into this codex?

They shouldn't be, but I can totally see Sisters of Silence getting rolled in.

Women, Power Armour, Boltguns, don't like psykers, Rhinos; don't have any other idea what to do with them...

If they're lucky they might get a Centura or Silent Judge model out of it.

I don't know how Priahs and Sister would interact - Sisters of Silence tend to see reality, Sororitas are rooted in belief.

I would prefer a Full Sisters of Silence Codex.

Lets be honest, its not hard for GW to say "Guilliman told the SoS to aid the SoB in their anti-psyker shenanigans".

Nope but its the interactions between the two that could be tricky in terms of how their presence would affect the belief of the Sisters of Battle and poentially block the miracles etc.

If anything Sisters of Silence fit better in a general Inquisition / imperial agents book; l don’t think there’s enough to expand them into a separate force and rolling them in with SoB “cause women” is just stupid.

They are as if not more diverse that Custodes and plenty of units etc in the various 30k lore sources.

SoS should have remained in 30k. The release of SoS in 40k would have been better is they'd been fluffed as SoB that are pretty dedicated in a role as chamber militant to ordos hereticus and thus have hexagrammic wards on their armour and thus explaining the anti psyker stuff.

Casualty wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I don't know how Priahs and Sister would interact - Sisters of Silence tend to see reality, Sororitas are rooted in belief.

"- but then the hotel room had only one bed!"

That's a good point that it's hard to see how they could co operate mechanically on a battlefield, but there's some very interesting dramatic potential in that dynamic. Have they had any notable fluff interactions?

There was a bit of fluff that said when the SoS were persona non Grata by the imperium, the relatively new SoB gave them shelter in their more reclusive monasteries.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
SoS should have remained in 30k.

Why?

Personal preference of not seeing 30k invade 40k a la SoS, Custodes, Primarchs

Regardless, this is a Sisters of Battle thread anyway, not a Sisters of Silence thread. They're not the same faction by a long margin, having very little to do with one another aside from both being all-female-- but to suggest that means they have something to do with one another is like suggesting space marines and orks are basically the same thing because they both identify with masculine pronouns.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
SoS should have remained in 30k. The release of SoS in 40k would have been better is they'd been fluffed as SoB that are pretty dedicated in a role as chamber militant to ordos hereticus and thus have hexagrammic wards on their armour and thus explaining the anti psyker stuff.

That isn't how their 'anti psyker stuff' works, so it doesn't make for much an explanation.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Personal preference of not seeing 30k invade 40k a la SoS, Custodes, Primarchs

All of those things, though especially SoS and Custodes, are explicitly present in 40k and have always been. Not having Custodes or SoS would be silly.


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Voss wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
SoS should have remained in 30k. The release of SoS in 40k would have been better is they'd been fluffed as SoB that are pretty dedicated in a role as chamber militant to ordos hereticus and thus have hexagrammic wards on their armour and thus explaining the anti psyker stuff.

That isn't how their 'anti psyker stuff' works, so it doesn't make for much an explanation.

Also it creates the obvious question 'why wouldn't they ALL have those wards if they're so effective?'

ERJAK wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Personal preference of not seeing 30k invade 40k a la SoS, Custodes, Primarchs

All of those things, though especially SoS and Custodes, are explicitly present in 40k and have always been. Not having Custodes or SoS would be silly.


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Voss wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
SoS should have remained in 30k. The release of SoS in 40k would have been better is they'd been fluffed as SoB that are pretty dedicated in a role as chamber militant to ordos hereticus and thus have hexagrammic wards on their armour and thus explaining the anti psyker stuff.

That isn't how their 'anti psyker stuff' works, so it doesn't make for much an explanation.

Also it creates the obvious question 'why wouldn't they ALL have those wards if they're so effective?'

Not enough Null virgin blood to go around?

Voss wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
SoS should have remained in 30k. The release of SoS in 40k would have been better is they'd been fluffed as SoB that are pretty dedicated in a role as chamber militant to ordos hereticus and thus have hexagrammic wards on their armour and thus explaining the anti psyker stuff.

That isn't how their 'anti psyker stuff' works, so it doesn't make for much an explanation.

Not wanting to derail the thread but still wanting to get one more word in :p
Witch hunter codex back in the day had Hexagrammic wards making psykers test at -1 to their psychic/leadership tests.
Then there's the Null Rods from imperial agents that made the bearer immune to psychic powers iirc. By your powers combined I am chamber militant.
Just grab your SoB models (because power armour, boltguns, flamer) slap on SoS rules, fluff in that old wargear and bam, chamber militant sisters

But I've derailed enough.

ERJAK wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Personal preference of not seeing 30k invade 40k a la SoS, Custodes, Primarchs

All of those things, though especially SoS and Custodes, are explicitly present in 40k and have always been. Not having Custodes or SoS would be silly.'

We've obviously been doing it wrong for 25+ years.

ERJAK wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Personal preference of not seeing 30k invade 40k a la SoS, Custodes, Primarchs

All of those things, though especially SoS and Custodes, are explicitly present in 40k and have always been. Not having Custodes or SoS would be silly.


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Voss wrote:

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
SoS should have remained in 30k. The release of SoS in 40k would have been better is they'd been fluffed as SoB that are pretty dedicated in a role as chamber militant to ordos hereticus and thus have hexagrammic wards on their armour and thus explaining the anti psyker stuff.

That isn't how their 'anti psyker stuff' works, so it doesn't make for much an explanation.

Also it creates the obvious question 'why wouldn't they ALL have those wards if they're so effective?'

Same reason the Imperial Guard don’t all have bolt guns and power armour, or, hell, even carapace armour and hotshot lasguns.

I’m glad to see Sisters (ahem, of Battle) get some distance from the era of GW’s obsession with the Inquisition. It’s fine for Ordo Hereticus to have a strong, even formal connection to the Adepta Sororitas. But the Sisters are first and foremost the army of the Ecclesiarchy, so far as such a thing is licit.

It probably helps that inquisitors are currently barely playable.

I'd like the sisters to continue the Joan of ark theme with siege weapons- melta rams and static artillery to give them a more archaic look. I know the organ tank is in practice rocket artillery but this could be produced in a static battery version too.

Rockets on launch rails with basilisk shelds that echo ballista/catapult designs also offer modelling opportunities- sister loading teams or perhaps repentia/penitent loading teams with a mistress overseer.