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Aimed at your post is not aimed at you.

Ever seen John Q. Public? Extreme example of a guy with family taking a risk. Regardless, I was merely saying that if it was bad enough according to their standards, even someone with a family might risk everything to do something about it. Again, I've yet to comment on it being practical or ideal or even right. I just admitted it was an option and was possible. Yes, people have risks, as has been stated already. I appreciate that. But it really comes down to it's more important than other stuff or it isn't to you, and nothing more.

Excuse me while I go slam my face into my desk.

Kind of you, I didn't even have to ask.

Okay, done. In case you weren't paying attention (you weren't apparently) and you couldn't figure it out yourself through the context (you couldn't apparently), I was referring to the physiological differences.

Ahh, so you went to the school of medicine for people who like to label things through vague, and wholly out of place percent numbers while not indicating the relevance, target, or purpose of such numbers. I hear they have a great football program, but when I tried to find their teams stats all I got was a 72%.

The psychological differences are certainly not quantified, but most of psychology outside of a few outliers (those with actual physical disorders) is as much if not more due to nurture as compared to nature. For example, the negative view society has on women who are physically fit (a physically strong woman is still often looked down upon in the more conservative areas of the world, such as here locally).

Thank you for explaining why snooki was the one that got punched. Want to actually cite the statistics I asked for?

Let's see if I can find the study online. Proper scholarly articles are hard to find on google...

Bah, only found an abstract. Ah well. Kinda annoying.

I suppose I should withdraw that statement. Essentially, an Israeli study had found that after integrated basic training, the female recruits had a marked improvement in physical fitness while the male recruits only had a slight improvement. The study still recommended a pre-basic course, however, citing that societal norms influence young women to be physically unfit making new female recruits far less physically fit than new male ones.

Regardless, the DWHRP (a military-funded research program in the US dedicated to researching health and fitness for female soldiers of all branches of the military) and other organizations are basically just now in the last few years starting to seriously research the topic and formulate necessary programs to minimize or overcome the differences.

I assume a lot of the "Men are physically better built to do the job of a soldier" stuff can be tracked back to times when war was at least partially about melee combat. Nowadays with lightweight polymer rifles and good logistic backup, killing power is not really linked to physical strength anymore. Back in the days when you needed to hammer your morning star through the plate armour of your foe, then the larger bodyweight of males and their larger strength might indeed had have a bigger impact that justifies only using men as soldiers.

How much is the fact that women can become pregnant and need 9+ months "off" a factor in jobs (military or otherwise)? Not citing fairness or anything associated, but just curious if anyone knows how it directly affects policy.

@Cannerus
I actually heard some people came from kinder eggs?

Seriously speaking, i both enjoy and feel uncomfortable from these genres of discussions. Enjoy because i can respect another persons point of view, and find interest in them not sharing mine. Alternatively, a short "i agree" doesn't quite catch my interest.
And uncomfortable because i lack understanding of why it always comes down to dividing everything into groups, only to point fingers and state their differences, or even mock others from being different.
- You have a bigger nose than me, that makes you different. Your feet are shorter than mine, that makes you different.
Heck, we're all different in some way - be it genes or physical appearence. But frankly, i don't see what all the fuss is about, and even less why it's so rare to see people make an effort of actually try to understand what isn't like them.

I typically hate to see division too. I feel like clearing things and getting to the root of what is and isn't can sometimes be just as important though to avoid further disagreement if that makes sense in a backwards sort of way >.>

Yup. I hear ya. But actually GETTING there is a whole different story! <.<

Thankfully we've got a good crowd on Dakka and things actually can resolve form time to time

To stay on topic, I don't understand the deal with wanting to make sure that no one can see the cords attached to electronics. Nobody is going to believe the TV magically powers itself. I've encountered one or two technophobic males subscribing to this, but many more females with this one. My main complaint is that it makes it super hard to switch stuff around, which is often necessary.

Witzkatz wrote:I assume a lot of the "Men are physically better built to do the job of a soldier" stuff can be tracked back to times when war was at least partially about melee combat. Nowadays with lightweight polymer rifles and good logistic backup, killing power is not really linked to physical strength anymore. Back in the days when you needed to hammer your morning star through the plate armour of your foe, then the larger bodyweight of males and their larger strength might indeed had have a bigger impact that justifies only using men as soldiers.

I completely understand the restriction of women joining the Aus Special Forces, those soldiers need to be incredibly fit to the point where the majority of women in all likelihood wouldn't be able to keep up with the status quo, not to mention the extreme circumstances that raise the bar further.

As for basic strength needed in areas like a Infantryman, there is still a need for physical strength. This is mostly due to the heavy weight of the equipment carried for long periods. In a daily role women are not given active combat duties, though in an emergency I would think they would be called up like everyone else.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:To stay on topic, I don't understand the deal with wanting to make sure that no one can see the cords attached to electronics. Nobody is going to believe the TV magically powers itself. I've encountered one or two technophobic males subscribing to this, but many more females with this one. My main complaint is that it makes it super hard to switch stuff around, which is often necessary.

I hate the way they mould plugs to the flex as a single part. Are people now so fething stupid they can't be trusted to wire a plug? Bah.

With my experience, i'd rather hide those cables... Makes the act of plugging alot more sophisticated, but it prevents you from getting your foot wrapped in the USB-wire, leading from the front of the PC and up to your nearly-filled 1TB external, tripping as you get up, landing on the floor - head first, since hearing that loud *bump* behind you, turning your head and learn that 1000 GB of data just went bye-bye!

Howard A Treesong wrote: Are people now so stupid...

Yes.

@ Melissa. I wasn't being sarcastic or attacking when I requested the data with several different factors in, I would sincerely like to find such sources that have otherwise escaped my searches.

One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Thankfully we've got a good crowd on Dakka and things actually can resolve form time to time

To stay on topic, I don't understand the deal with wanting to make sure that no one can see the cords attached to electronics. Nobody is going to believe the TV magically powers itself. I've encountered one or two technophobic males subscribing to this, but many more females with this one. My main complaint is that it makes it super hard to switch stuff around, which is often necessary.

Not really? I until very recently, with the much younger kiddie crowd, I haven't seen anyone really embrace wireless stuff. Hell my wireless mouse is practically brand new, and even then I only got it cause it was the cheapest one there (twelve bucks) and there weren't any mice with cords, which I would have preferred.


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Luco wrote:One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.

I sincerely don't know anyone like this, male or female. Maybe they're just friggin' weird?

Melissia wrote:
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Luco wrote:One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.

I sincerely don't know anyone like this, male or female. Maybe they're just friggin' weird?

Uh oh... time to put some clothes on...

Luco wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote: Are people now so stupid...

Yes.

@ Melissa. I wasn't being sarcastic or attacking when I requested the data with several different factors in, I would sincerely like to find such sources that have otherwise escaped my searches.

One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.

My (female) roomie and I hang out naked. Not really an issue here. My past two (female) roomies walked around in towels and stuff too, so in my experience guys have been more prudish.

I really just wanted an excuse to say that

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Luco wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote: Are people now so stupid...

Yes.

@ Melissa. I wasn't being sarcastic or attacking when I requested the data with several different factors in, I would sincerely like to find such sources that have otherwise escaped my searches.

One thing I don't understand. Why do they stay in their room naked but don't bother to lock the door? Then when you knock they yell at you for intruding... learn to at least say 'dont come in' at lock the door. Maybe its just me and my fascination with locking things.

My (female) roomie and I hang out naked. Not really an issue here. My past two (female) roomies walked around in towels and stuff too, so in my experience guys have been more prudish.

I really just wanted an excuse to say that

Show off.

Okay, i sense a soon-to-come headache, from what-i-thought-was-x-gender-but-then-wasn't O.o

Billinator wrote:Okay, i sense a soon-to-come headache, from what-i-thought-was-x-gender-but-then-wasn't O.o

Sex change? Go Tranny?

Nothing wrong with that.

Fafnir wrote:

Billinator wrote:Okay, i sense a soon-to-come headache, from what-i-thought-was-x-gender-but-then-wasn't O.o

Sex change? Go Tranny?

Nothing wrong with that.

Obligatory Slaanesh joke goes here?

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Billinator wrote:Okay, i sense a soon-to-come headache, from what-i-thought-was-x-gender-but-then-wasn't O.o

Sex change? Go Tranny?

Nothing wrong with that.

Obligatory Slaanesh joke goes here?

Don't send Sisters into close combat with Slaanesh Troops?

Slarg232 wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Billinator wrote:Okay, i sense a soon-to-come headache, from what-i-thought-was-x-gender-but-then-wasn't O.o

Sex change? Go Tranny?

Nothing wrong with that.

Obligatory Slaanesh joke goes here?

Don't send Sisters into close combat with Slaanesh Troops?

Ba dum bum tish

That's it, I don't think this thread has anymore left in it. We push her any harder, the whole thing will blow!

We're only 28 off 2000posts; we can make it! Just hold on! HOLD ON DAMNIT!

EDIT: 27 Now!

SCORE! I convinced one of my (female) friends to try 40K yesterday

For some reason I find females are less outright disturbed by grown men playing toy soldiers. You get chavs who will grief a store, but it's purely boys who feel the need to assert their manly-ness by chucking a stink bomb in and darting away like a scared cat.

Well, she was looking at Dark Eldar, Sisters or Daemons. Sadly, I have no idea what two of those do....

If she likes the fluff of Dark Eldar, she's a keeper.

As in, she'll be keeping your man-berries on a leash.

Some guys are into that sort of thing. Not myself, mind.