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Not sure what to expect, but I agree that the Death Korps box probably shouldn't be priced as power armored troops (that's 45€). The early Warcry bands were priced at 40€ while the latest ones (flame dudes from the previous starter) went up to €42.50. I could see the Krieg box getting the same price tag.

Not that that's an exciting prospect for a squad of Guardsmen, mind.

Voss wrote:
And a new starter similar to the Sisters vs Tau box, but focusing on Nachoworld or whatever the new 'starting zone' is. Aftermouth, I think, is the german translation. Which fits surprisingly well with Nachoworld, to be honest.

I figured the name was based on "Nachtmund" (night's mouth) because GW would be looking for something that sounds ominous, and then had its spelling altered because real words are the devil.

Prices UK & EU confirmed US based on current GW exchange rates

Codex Octarius £25, €32.50, $40
Starter set £65, €85, $110?
Kommandos £36.50, €45, $60
DKOK £34.50, €42.50, $55
Kill Zone Octarius £60, €80, $100

That starter set is a bargain by GW standards! Presumably doesn't include the full books

 DaveC wrote:
Prices UK & EU confirmed US based on current GW exchange rates

Codex Octarius £25, €32.50, $40
Starter set £65, €85, $110?
Kommandos £36.50, €45, $60
DKOK £34.50, €42.50, $55
Kill Zone Octarius £60, €80, $100

Ouch on the DKK price. That's a pretty firm no thanks from me.

Obviously it's not like I don't have enough IG already and those guys are sw33t, but nope. Not at that price.

Billicus wrote:
That starter set is a bargain by GW standards! Presumably doesn't include the full books

I don't think it's that great? You don't get the full Kill Zone, you don't get the Octarius book, and the rulebook is a cut down version (though TBH the cutdown version is probably better, I've never liked the idea of rulebooks having tons of fluff and pictures that just make them unnecessarily large and harder to find the actual rules).

It's still a discount, but it doesn't seem like that significant of one compared to a lot of the other GW starter sets.

Billicus wrote:
That starter set is a bargain by GW standards! Presumably doesn't include the full books

If it doesn't then it's no bargain at all. A starter game set should have the... you know... game, in it.

You do also get "a 56-page Recruit Edition book packed with background info and tutorial missions." which looks like it might be different from anything in Octarius. Presumably enough rules that you can actually play a game with the units you get given you don't get the full rules for those units without buying the Octarius book.

Cut down starter rulebook is by no means unusual. It's not a good deal by other companies standards - the new Deadzone starter destroys it - but for GW it's good. Harrowdeep is £65, you get way more bang for your buck here. It's comparable to Warcry Catacombs and they wanted £110 for that right?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ouch on the DKK price. That's a pretty firm no thanks from me.

You buying full retail or something?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ouch on the DKK price. That's a pretty firm no thanks from me.

You buying full retail or something?

Does that make any difference, when discounted prices would discount from the retail price?

Billicus wrote:
Cut down starter rulebook is by no means unusual. It's not a good deal by other companies standards - the new Deadzone starter destroys it - but for GW it's good. Harrowdeep is £65, you get way more bang for your buck here. It's comparable to Warcry Catacombs and they wanted £110 for that right?

It's not cut down much either, 96 pages rather than 130ish.

Billicus wrote:
Cut down starter rulebook is by no means unusual. It's not a good deal by other companies standards - the new Deadzone starter destroys it - but for GW it's good. Harrowdeep is £65, you get way more bang for your buck here. It's comparable to Warcry Catacombs and they wanted £110 for that right?

That doesn't make any more of a bargain.

Billicus wrote:
Cut down starter rulebook is by no means unusual. It's not a good deal by other companies standards - the new Deadzone starter destroys it - but for GW it's good. Harrowdeep is £65, you get way more bang for your buck here. It's comparable to Warcry Catacombs and they wanted £110 for that right?

Without doing the maths, I don't think this looks as good as AoS, 40k or Blood Bowl starter sets.

The terrain in this case isn't great because it's just the scatter terrain from either the Kill Zone Octarius or the Mekboy Workshop, without the main interesting parts of those sets. If it included the full Mekboy Workshop it'd maybe be a bit more appealing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ouch on the DKK price. That's a pretty firm no thanks from me.

You buying full retail or something?

LOL Necro gangs are like $35 with discount and give me plenty of modelling fun.

So unless the DKK are going for 40% off I can't see them winning out over a gang. I won't even pay the $45 for Cadians who actually match my existing army.

Wow, and here I thought ebay prices of DKoK were higher than GW's retail. Guess the ebay sellers know their prices

In any case, I'll be buying one box to "complete" my Octarius box. Already bought another metallic gauge so I'll then have all the bells and whistles.

With that price, I'm not going to be in any hurry to build my DKoK & BA soup tho! KillTeam will be enough for now.

Was in for a starter anyway, but yikes, the standard Krieg boxed set is a bit too expensive for my tastes, so that future Krieg army is not happening any time soon now.

 tauist wrote:
Wow, and here I thought ebay prices of DKoK were higher than GW's retail. Guess the ebay sellers know their prices

Or GW knows the ebay sellers' prices...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Wow, and here I thought ebay prices of DKoK were higher than GW's retail. Guess the ebay sellers know their prices

Or GW knows the ebay sellers' prices...

I'm sure that price point will be perfect to make people invest in full DKOK armies.

Wait. No, not perfect. That other thing.

Anyone buying up Guard right now is likely to be in for a rude awakening whenever their book drops.

If they sell DKoK for ebay prices (79.99), I'm done. Hopefully the starter set leads to lower prices online

deano2099 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Cut down starter rulebook is by no means unusual. It's not a good deal by other companies standards - the new Deadzone starter destroys it - but for GW it's good. Harrowdeep is £65, you get way more bang for your buck here. It's comparable to Warcry Catacombs and they wanted £110 for that right?

It's not cut down much either, 96 pages rather than 130ish.

Yep. The Core Rules Books is 144 pages, but the Core Rules don't start until page 50. Everything before that is background info. Seems like they just purged that and added a few intro pages to the rules.

 GaroRobe wrote:
If they sell DKoK for ebay prices (79.99), I'm done. Hopefully the starter set leads to lower prices online

It's $55USD. DaveC already posted the prices.

I remain convinced that there are Big Things coming for Guard, simply because both of these new squad SKUs have come without a Heavy Weapon Team--meaning the box doesn't build a full Troop choice under the current rules.

It's possible they will later do a 40k version of the Dkok when the new codex drops for $45 but without the specialist sprue, and then sell that direct only for $15 or something

If it includes the full rules for the game( minus only waffle'n'fluff ) then the new starter set would be the best thing to happen to KT'21, so far.

Well, that’s a Krieg army off the table.

$110 for the starter set isn't terrible, especially if you buy it for $88. I know getting 21 models and a few pieces of scatter terrain for that price isn't an industry leader for value, but for about one Benjamin a player can get into Kill Team and get two pretty nicely designed warbands to play it, which is not a big hurdle.

Also considering that despite constant chatter over "new players," I imagine 99.9% of people who play this game won't be new to GW, and therefore likely already have some terrain, or be like me and have more terrain than I actually have shelf space to put together and store.

a Krieg Army is still a viable option, but still not from GW
so just to whatever people have done before the plastic box was around and FW was too expensive

just good for GW that FW stopped doing the Gorgon Infantry sprues, as this would be cheaper than going with GW plastic

I've managed to get hold of 70 plastic krieg, averaging £29 per set including postage... So I've done okay, not as cheap as I would have done by waiting for 20% off from FLGS, but still okay... It was always going to be an expensive build anyway.

£34.50 RRP from GW is too much money though to do a proper Krieg force. I hope they release a combat patrol of them in the end without the upgrade sprue and it is viable for most to do it.

Kanluwen is right though, I'm absolutely grafting to differentiate each model at the moment, and I'm only 30 guys in. The torso restrict certain load out changes without getting the green stuff out.

Luckily, have some resin Krieg to kit bash with though, which does work, though I want the masks to match so that also requires conversion. A labour of love.

That Krieg price.....ouch. Glad I picked up a couple extra squads for 40 from someone breaking down some boxed sets.

On the other hand, big congrats to GW for releasing the KT starter at a reasonable price that someone new to the hobby could feasibly grab for around 100 bucks. I honestly was expecting 140 or 150. I already have Octarius, but may pick up one of these starters for another squad of Krieg, the tutorial missions (I play games with a lot of non-wargamers), and another board/scatter to add to table. Also having more options for Kommandos would be nice.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 alextroy wrote:


GW pricing is some weird mix of sprue count, sprue size, model size, points, and whatever they feel like that day.

GW pricing is fairly straightforward, its based on the production costs (including all relevant overhead and indirect cost) vs the expected lifetime kit sales, adjusted for payback period. Points don't factor into it, its only an indirect factor as the points value of a unit generally indirectly correlates to the production cost (as higher points value models/units tend to be larger) and expected sales (people tend to buy fewer higher points value units, ergo they are less likely to generate repeat sales to any given customer for multiple copies of a kit - unlike cheaper "troops" type units which customers may purchase 3, 4, 6 or even more copies of depending on the unit).