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 Kanluwen wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Two Genestealer Cult Kill Teams and neither of them can take Genestealers, while Tyranids can.

It's almost embarrassing at this point how poor the selection rules are.

It's almost as embarrassing as people not recognizing that maybe, just maybe the focus in Genestealer Cults isn't on the first word but the second one.


They might appear at a later "elite" stage of the game, along with Lictors.

I like to think there is a Purestrain kit in the works, which has a more classical look to them and thus distingush them from their Tyranid counterparts. Not necessary, mind, but it would be nice all the same.

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For those for whom it might interest, Element Games seem to have come into more than a few copies of the Octarius boxed set.

https://elementgames.co.uk/wargames-and-miniatures-by-manufacturer/games-workshop/warhammer-40k/kill-team-octarius-2

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 The Phazer wrote:
Two Genestealer Cult Kill Teams and neither of them can take Genestealers, while Tyranids can.

It's almost embarrassing at this point how poor the selection rules are.


At least they share the TYRANIDS keyword. Who knows what the future might bring.. Still, I would have liked to see Aberrants at least

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Generally, the more obviously inhuman cultists - like the aberrants and purestrains - don't come out to play until the rebellion is in full swing. The kill team is just representing a more clandestine approach to warfare.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Two Genestealer Cult Kill Teams and neither of them can take Genestealers, while Tyranids can.

It's almost embarrassing at this point how poor the selection rules are.

It's almost as embarrassing as people not recognizing that maybe, just maybe the focus in Genestealer Cultsh isn't on the first word but the second one.


No, there are other cults in the 40k universe if that's your thing.

And Genestealers were in Genestealer Cults well before they had anything to do with Tyranids.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Patriarch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Two Genestealer Cult Kill Teams and neither of them can take Genestealers, while Tyranids can.

It's almost embarrassing at this point how poor the selection rules are.

It's almost as embarrassing as people not recognizing that maybe, just maybe the focus in Genestealer Cultsh isn't on the first word but the second one.


No, there are other cults in the 40k universe if that's your thing.

And Genestealers were in Genestealer Cults well before they had anything to do with Tyranids.

Okay, and?

Genestealer Cults, as an army now have a specific style and set up. That style and set up has those more overtly alien bits as not being part of the "initial uprising".
   
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But it’s about choice. It seems a bit perverse that the faction has no way of taking one of the fundamental parts of the range as a choice. It would be like marines not being able to take intercessors/tactical marines. Kill team is not just about early uprising timings, but should also be able to represent later events where the fight is in full swing any pure strains have been let off the leash.

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I think GSC should be allowed a purestrain - note I don't play this game, nor any other, but in the lore they should be allowed at least one, even if it a rare, hallowed, sacred beast. That was how it was back in the day, in the stories. Even in the likes of 'Deathwing'. A cult should have this.
   
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They must have sold all those old sprues of genestealers.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

So... this is the box that already came out, right?
Just now in two boxes?

I didn't have a stroke and imagine a kommandos vs guard box last year?

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Its a lite version of the Octarius set.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

So... this is the box that already came out, right?
Just now in two boxes?

I didn't have a stroke and imagine a kommandos vs guard box last year?

Yes, it’s been split up into a starter set and a terrain set and had the rule book “streamlined” somehow.
So now you would have to buy the starter, KZ Octarius, and the WZ Octarius book to get equivalence. Except in price. That’ll be something close to double.

Did you imagine it would be any other way in the end?

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

So... this is the box that already came out, right?
Just now in two boxes?

I didn't have a stroke and imagine a kommandos vs guard box last year?

Yes, it’s been split up into a starter set and a terrain set and had the rule book “streamlined” somehow.
So now you would have to buy the starter, KZ Octarius, and the WZ Octarius book to get equivalence. Except in price. That’ll be something close to double.

Did you imagine it would be any other way in the end?


Honestly, I thought it was a one and done, and then the units separately sometime around Feb or March.
And a new starter similar to the Sisters vs Tau box, but focusing on Nachoworld or whatever the new 'starting zone' is. Aftermouth, I think, is the german translation. Which fits surprisingly well with Nachoworld, to be honest.

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At first I thought they show the teams as they're in the box, but it seems they're sold separately now for 40k and to bolster your team.
   
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I agree. Had to read it twice to realize there are 5 Kill Team releases:
Starter
Krieg Veteran Guardsmen
Ork Commandos
Octarius Book
Killzone Octarius
   
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Same, I thought the book and units were just the contents of the starter. That it was just the previous box with terrain repackaged elsewhere.

I expect to see the guard boxes vanish more or less instantly.

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Gathering the Informations.

Voss wrote:

Honestly, I thought it was a one and done, and then the units separately sometime around Feb or March.
And a new starter similar to the Sisters vs Tau box, but focusing on Nachoworld or whatever the new 'starting zone' is. Aftermouth, I think, is the german translation. Which fits surprisingly well with Nachoworld, to be honest.

Octarius was the warzone "battlebox", like Chalnath and the Nachmund one that has been teased.

There was not a Kill Team "starter" yet. They said early on that it would be coming packaged like this.

The warzone "battleboxes" are going to be used to release a lore book and accompanying specialized Kill Teams apparently.
   
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I like how you say that as if there are any meaningful distinctions there, but still use airquotes.

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Starting with Indomitus, GW has been releasing some "launch" boxes that are a considerable higher value than their "starter" boxes. The launch boxes are all limited releases like Octarius (Kill Team) and Dominion (AOS). The starter boxes are a more modest affair and have generally been a subsection of the launch boxes with the other parts separated into additional releases.

Look at what happened to the Indomitus release. Its contents are now divided between the Recruit Edition starter box, Elite/Command Edition starter boxes, the Honored of the Chapter kit, and the Necron Royal Court kit.

So dividing the Octarius release between a starter box and a warzone box is just par for the course.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
Starting with Indomitus, GW has been releasing some "launch" boxes that are a considerable higher value than their "starter" boxes. The launch boxes are all limited releases like Octarius (Kill Team) and Dominion (AOS). The starter boxes are a more modest affair and have generally been a subsection of the launch boxes with the other parts separated into additional releases.

Look at what happened to the Indomitus release. Its contents are now divided between the Recruit Edition starter box, Elite/Command Edition starter boxes, the Honored of the Chapter kit, and the Necron Royal Court kit.

So dividing the Octarius release between a starter box and a warzone box is just par for the course.


I think that Warcry lead the way with this approach. That first big box sold out and was replaced with a much smaller one.
   
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Given that Octarius was selling for like 40% off not too recently, the value on these is gonna look atrocious.

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I mostly just care how much the DKoK box will be and if it's going to be practical making an army of them.

I'd imagine most people who really wanted the terrain probably bought the previous box, so I wouldn't be expecting that to be a big seller.
   
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Magic 8-Ball says US$60 (AUS$98) because all the new Troops kits have been at that price point. There is a slim chance GW will price it the same as the Cadian Shock Troops at US$45 (AUS$77), but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that since it is an old kit with a new upgrade sprue rather than all new sprues.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
Magic 8-Ball says US$60 (AUS$98) because all the new Troops kits have been at that price point. There is a slim chance GW will price it the same as the Cadian Shock Troops at US$45 (AUS$77), but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that since it is an old kit with a new upgrade sprue rather than all new sprues.

The Cadian Shock Troop price was to match the Brood Brothers kit. Not because "old kit with a new upgrade sprue" or any such nonsense.
Brood Brothers kit is a HWT+GSC upgrade sprue.


Also, people overestimate how much customizability is in the DKoK or Kommando kits. We're probably looking at $50 rather than $60, and that's if it has a KT branding on it meaning the DKoK get their extraneous KT frame.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 alextroy wrote:
Magic 8-Ball says US$60 (AUS$98) because all the new Troops kits have been at that price point. There is a slim chance GW will price it the same as the Cadian Shock Troops at US$45 (AUS$77), but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that since it is an old kit with a new upgrade sprue rather than all new sprues.

The Cadian Shock Troop price was to match the Brood Brothers kit. Not because "old kit with a new upgrade sprue" or any such nonsense.
Brood Brothers kit is a HWT+GSC upgrade sprue.


Also, people overestimate how much customizability is in the DKoK or Kommando kits. We're probably looking at $50 rather than $60, and that's if it has a KT branding on it meaning the DKoK get their extraneous KT frame.


I am thinking these will lean more possibly $60 but if they were 50 I wouldn't complain. Considering 10 of the new beastie boyz are $50 and they have like no options... I will find it hard to believe it will be $50 especially if they keep all the options. Whatever one half is i am sure the other will match.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Two Genestealer Cult Kill Teams and neither of them can take Genestealers, while Tyranids can.

It's almost embarrassing at this point how poor the selection rules are.

It's almost as embarrassing as people not recognizing that maybe, just maybe the focus in Genestealer Cults isn't on the first word but the second one.


The difficulty is that if you want to run a GSC escalation from start to finish, Purestrains are literally the first brood- a Cult cannot exist without them. They implant civilians, which become brood brothers, they breed Acolytes; Acolytes breed Neophytes and characters, Neophytes breed purestrains... Repeat.

Aberrants can appear in any brood cycle, but they are more likely in later cycles. Metamorphs only show up third cycle and later.

So if you want to play battles that represent the growth of the Cult, your roster HAS TO start with purestrains... But it can't.

The best you can do is start at 3rd generation with Acolytes. Ridiculous.

Edit- just read that the WD GSC KT rules leaked and still no Purestrains. Looks like I'm making my own rules... Again. FFS GW, why can't you understand that a Cult's Genesis is one of the most interesting stories in the lifespan of the Cult. Requiring people to start at the 3rd generation is bogus.

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I think it's weirder to assume that the focus in Genestealer Cults would be on either word, rather than both together and equally.

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 alextroy wrote:
Magic 8-Ball says US$60 (AUS$98) because all the new Troops kits have been at that price point. There is a slim chance GW will price it the same as the Cadian Shock Troops at US$45 (AUS$77), but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that since it is an old kit with a new upgrade sprue rather than all new sprues.


All new troop kits have been $98AUD? I think only power armoured ones and the new high elves have been $98 for 10 models.

Gutrippaz came in at $84 for 10, Beast Snaggas at $84 for 10, the new Boyz at $77 for 10, Skeletons were $98 for 20, Zombies $90 for 20.

If they come out at $98 it would perhaps show that GW consider the new DKOK as "elite" troops of some description rather than your typical meatgrinder guardsmen.

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Beast Snaggas and the new Boyz are both two sprue mono-build kits. DKOK are a three sprue kit. I doubt they will be at the lower price points of the Boyz.

As for the others, they are AOS kits which seem to have their own logic.
   
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 alextroy wrote:
Beast Snaggas and the new Boyz are both two sprue mono-build kits. DKOK are a three sprue kit. I doubt they will be at the lower price points of the Boyz.

As for the others, they are AOS kits which seem to have their own logic.


DKOK are one large sprue (I guess 2 half sprues if you think of it that way) plus a small sprue (quarter size maybe?). The Kommandos are 3 half size sprues.

GW pricing is some weird mix of sprue count, sprue size, model size, points, and whatever they feel like that day.

On the GW site, selecting only troops and sorting by price in the 40k section, the only kits that are $98 for 10 models are power armoured, so going on similarity to other troops, I'd guess they'd be less than $98 for the DKoK, but going on sprue count maybe $98 is about right.

If they're $98, it's getting to the point where you might as well just get the FW DKoK for $110, less options but nicer looking models.

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