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My codex expectations are pretty low, but I am pleased with the slight/moderate boosts we get from D3 and the clan traitz.

tneva82 wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Is anyone else surprised that GW decided the first release in "Orktober" should be a box set of Eldar vs SM with new leaders for each?

Orktober my arse.

Only yourself to blame for coming up with ideas yourself that GW then didn't deliver. Lol. You have been warned of doing this yet you keep doing it. You set up yourself for dissapointment. Blame yourself for being dissapointed then.

Did I coin the phrase "Orktober"? Was it me that said; 'awesome things coming for Orks in Orktober! Not long to wait now all you Ork players! Prepare to be amazed!'?

No? That was all GW? Its impressive how often you manage to be completely wrong about something.

E - and stop regurgitating things other posters have said and claiming it as your own. Another poster mentioned pre order dates. You had no idea and didn't mention it until after they had.

It is my prerogative if I want to be disappointed with a release timing, not yours. And I am disappointed given the expectations GW HAVE THEMSELVES SET.

The Wake the Dead Set does seem weird. I guess AD vs Necrons must have flown off the shelves - although that might have been due to the seemingly passing Armiger hype.

Anyway hoping to see Warhammer Community articles on the Codex next Monday.

Tyel wrote:
The Wake the Dead Set does seem weird. I guess AD vs Necrons must have flown off the shelves - although that might have been due to the seemingly passing Armiger hype.

Anyway hoping to see Warhammer Community articles on the Codex next Monday.

It think those sets are entry level product. They are similar to MtG's duel decks, where you can buy the box and have everything you need to play, unlike those start collecting boxes where you end up with a half-playable army and no rules.

 JawRippa wrote:
We are all very tired of waiting. Don't pour salt on the wound with petty posts, tneva.

Judging by the fact that GW hasn't given us proper teases yet, they'll start releasing teasers throughout october and then preorders will start at the end of the month. I guess speedfreaks leak was a legit leak, thus we have this huge info release gap?

As for myself, I've kept my expectations low, but if after all this wait, we'll get an uninspired codex, then I'll turn into salt elemental.

Or that they follow their standard release pattern. Which means if preorder for release X is 6.10(first release of october for GW) first teaser for that will be 29.9.

For love of god GW has very consistent release pattern. Why people keep ignoring that and coming up with new weird ideas. Just think how GW releases things. Pre-order on 29.9 for speed freak/codex was NEVER on cards when GW said they were coming in october. Not a chance. Zip, zero, nada. Nobody who has paid any attention to how GW does things would think otherwise. For GW first time anything they count as october release comes to store in october 2018 would be 6.10.2018. Conversely last release for october for GW will be preorders on 27.10 with release at 3.11.

GW is amateurs in term of game design but they have very consistent pattern for releases and the teasers for those.

After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

 Jidmah wrote:

Tyel wrote:
The Wake the Dead Set does seem weird. I guess AD vs Necrons must have flown off the shelves - although that might have been due to the seemingly passing Armiger hype.

Anyway hoping to see Warhammer Community articles on the Codex next Monday.

It think those sets are entry level product. They are similar to MtG's duel decks, where you can buy the box and have everything you need to play, unlike those start collecting boxes where you end up with a half-playable army and no rules.

Makes sense. I mean a transportable duel set you can just break open with friends like you would a regular board game is an obvious target for GW.
Its just there seems a bar in having to put everything together and potentially painting it.

Tyel wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

Tyel wrote:
The Wake the Dead Set does seem weird. I guess AD vs Necrons must have flown off the shelves - although that might have been due to the seemingly passing Armiger hype.

Anyway hoping to see Warhammer Community articles on the Codex next Monday.

It think those sets are entry level product. They are similar to MtG's duel decks, where you can buy the box and have everything you need to play, unlike those start collecting boxes where you end up with a half-playable army and no rules.

Makes sense. I mean a transportable duel set you can just break open with friends like you would a regular board game is an obvious target for GW.
Its just there seems a bar in having to put everything together and potentially painting it.

If that's the case then it's a one time purchase or they look at the back and see they have to at least put the models together and maybe don't buy it. Chances are if they are in a game shop looking at it then it's for the kid of thing they have seen and or been exposed to. Not every gratification has to be instant.

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

 Galas wrote:

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

much in the same way as we do now...moaned a lot...just for much longer!

 Galas wrote:

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

The life of an ork player is generally as follows:

Wait half a decade for anything new
Become cautiously optimistic as rumors finally arrive
Jk it's actually terrible and unfun
Play it anyways trying to force yourself to have fun
Give up after a couple months
Buy some cheap models off ebay from other ork players dumping the army to try to make yourself feel better
Shelf them for the next half decade. Next edition they will fix orks, surely!
Repeat for 20 years

 Galas wrote:

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

Back in those editions stratagems didn't exist.

So even though you might not have a codex in the current edition, the previous edition would at least give you the 'tools' to play a full game.

We're in a different situation in 8th where a lack of codex not only means issues around balance of our units but also we're literally playing less of a game compared to our opponents. In prior editions we could at least play the full game without a current codex.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

Back in those editions stratagems didn't exist.

So even though you might not have a codex in the current edition, the previous edition would at least give you the 'tools' to play a full game.

We're in a different situation in 8th where a lack of codex not only means issues around balance of our units but also we're literally playing less of a game compared to our opponents. In prior editions we could at least play the full game without a current codex.

Basically this.
That third edition codex held up for me for a very very longtime and not getting a new codex didn't matter. Getting the 4th edition codex was a huge disappointment and it's been down hill from there so far.
Thing is there weren't a whole lot of rumors for a long time and, for myself, didn't see a point to a new codex that 3rd ed book was loaded full of tools for trashing other armies.
I think a lot of the disappointment comes more from rumors and expectation than anything else. Who knows.

Rather play 3rd ed Codex atm.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

Back in those editions stratagems didn't exist.

So even though you might not have a codex in the current edition, the previous edition would at least give you the 'tools' to play a full game.

We're in a different situation in 8th where a lack of codex not only means issues around balance of our units but also we're literally playing less of a game compared to our opponents. In prior editions we could at least play the full game without a current codex.

Yep. Old Codex >> NO Codex at all.

Playing 8th edition Orks is a little like playing 2nd edition Tau.

I wouldn't get all worked up if they waited until the last week of October to put things up for pre-order. That's not what I want, but it wouldn't make me very upset. I was a little mad when they announced Orks and then went quiet for two months, but then they gave me what I wanted (a rough time frame and some idea of what's coming for new models) so now I'm content to wait.


As far as the 3rd edition codex goes, it was pretty good for its time but still had some problems. I think one of the biggest complaints I had with it was that it was basically Codex: Goffs and playstyles favored by other clans weren't well supported with the original codex release.

Evil Sunz were hard to pull off at first because Trukks took up Fast Attack slots. They got a lot better with Codex: Armageddon. Kult of Speed from Codex: Armageddon was both really competitive and flavorful from what I remember.

Bad Moonz were bad for the whole life of the codex.

Deathskulls could be played fairly flavorfully, but probably not very competitively. Looted Basilisk was great though.

Snakebites could be run as Green Tide. Their options were kind of lacking. There was a fun WD feral orks supplement, but I can't remember it very well and I'm not sure if it allowed for good, flavorful Snakebites builds.

I can't remember how good or bad Blood Axes were in the 3rd Ed codex.

All of this is as best as I can remember. It was a long time ago so I very well might be wrong about it. It just seemed like Goffs were fairly well represented and the other clans got the short end of the stikkbomb unless they got one of the later supplements.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

Snakebites could be run as Green Tide. Their options were kind of lacking. There was a fun WD feral orks supplement, but I can't remember it very well and I'm not sure if it allowed for good, flavorful Snakebites builds.

Feral Orks were amazingly good (okay, they were decent, but totally full of flavor). They became slightly better with their version 2 rules that came later. Mad Boys were cool, Warbosses mounted on top of a WarBoar were fast and extremely killy, and by the time of the version 2 rules they had 4 sizes of Squigoth. Squigoths added A LOT of much needed long-range heavy dakka, and were fairly decent in close combat too. God, I miss Boarboys. Proxying them as warbikes just isn't the same.

Goff was flavour of the edition, being included in the box set vs Marines.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

Snakebites could be run as Green Tide. Their options were kind of lacking. There was a fun WD feral orks supplement, but I can't remember it very well and I'm not sure if it allowed for good, flavorful Snakebites builds.

Feral Orks were amazingly good (okay, they were decent, but totally full of flavor). They became slightly better with their version 2 rules that came later. Mad Boys were cool, Warbosses mounted on top of a WarBoar were fast and extremely killy, and by the time of the version 2 rules they had 4 sizes of Squigoth. Squigoths added A LOT of much needed long-range heavy dakka, and were fairly decent in close combat too. God, I miss Boarboys. Proxying them as warbikes just isn't the same.

I'm going to have to dig through my old copies of WD and CA, as that does sound really fun. We're the second version of the rules in Chapter Approved?


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Moriarty wrote:
Goff was flavour of the edition, being included in the box set vs Marines.

Wasn't that the 2nd Ed starter, with Marines vs Dark Eldar in 3rd?

 Galas wrote:

 JawRippa wrote:
After having a quick game against codex army at the start of the year I've decided to hold off playing 8th until I get a codex. I was pretty sure orks were gonna get their share by april since green hooligans are a major part of 40k. Little did I know.

At this point any news not about orks cause at least mild annoyance given all the ridiculously long wait.

I'm not pointing this specifically about you, but as I have started playing 40k with 8th... I have to ask.

How did people survived previous editions where you could be waiting 4-6 years for your Codex?

4 to 6 years? Psssshhh what are you a Space Marine Player? 3rd edition ork codex to 4th edition ork codex was 1999 to 2008, 4th edition codex until the next new codex was 2008 - 2014. Closer to 6-10 years for ork players.

Also, to Tneva, GW has many things, a reliable release schedule is not one of them. The Ork codex alone proves that. GW was pushing out a codex a month and then took 6 months or so off, they teased codexs a month or so before they got their pre-order date. GW teased space wolves, genestealers cult and Orkz back in July, they released wolves only back in august, none in September and if we go by their releases following a pre-order we won't get orkz until about 1/3rd of the way through Orktober, and of course that is only if they don't release the Speed Freakz game before, if they do tack on another week or two.

Moriarty: "Goff was flavour of the edition, being included in the box set vs Marines.
Wasn't that the 2nd Ed starter, with Marines vs Dark Eldar in 3rd?"

Correct. 2nd edition codex supported a good variety of play styles too. (Messed up the quote box-apologies)

Yes, you are right, second ed box was Orks of the Goff flavour. Third introduced ‘gorilla’ Orks to an unsuspecting public.

I might have access to a copy of the Feral Ork book (for educational purposes). PM me if you want a look.

I just really hope that Orks get an option to run a somewhat decent army that isn't just based around spamming Boyz- similar how Tyranids can run Nidzilla.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

Snakebites could be run as Green Tide. Their options were kind of lacking. There was a fun WD feral orks supplement, but I can't remember it very well and I'm not sure if it allowed for good, flavorful Snakebites builds.

Feral Orks were amazingly good (okay, they were decent, but totally full of flavor). They became slightly better with their version 2 rules that came later. Mad Boys were cool, Warbosses mounted on top of a WarBoar were fast and extremely killy, and by the time of the version 2 rules they had 4 sizes of Squigoth. Squigoths added A LOT of much needed long-range heavy dakka, and were fairly decent in close combat too. God, I miss Boarboys. Proxying them as warbikes just isn't the same.

I'm going to have to dig through my old copies of WD and CA, as that does sound really fun. We're the second version of the rules in Chapter Approved?

I think the 2nd edition of the Feral Orks rules were in the Chapter Approved annual. The second one that came out in 2008ish??? I think it had a Space Wolf Dreadnought on the cover.

I've just painted up my first 5 blood axes, the first Ork I've painted for about 13 years. I found a fair few of the beasts hiding in my garage and a now after a little TLC they have a nice urban camo scheme and await basing.

Now... Where's this codex?

Rogerio134134 wrote:
I've just painted up my first 5 blood axes, the first Ork I've painted for about 13 years. I found a fair few of the beasts hiding in my garage and a now after a little TLC they have a nice urban camo scheme and await basing.

Now... Where's this codex?

Your guess is as good as ours. We expect it in October due to GW's "Orktober" bit at the end of one of the buggy videos, but we have no actual confirmation. Honestly at this rate I'm nervous we're going to be waiting until November.

Nothing about Orks in the Orktober white dwarf. Nice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/28/28th-sept-white-dwarf-preview-octobers-issuegw-homepage-post-4/

Nothing about Orks in the Orktober white dwarf. Nice.

 Eonfuzz wrote:
Nothing about Orks in the Orktober white dwarf. Nice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/28/28th-sept-white-dwarf-preview-octobers-issuegw-homepage-post-4/

What. A. Joke.

 Eonfuzz wrote:
Nothing about Orks in the Orktober white dwarf. Nice.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/28/28th-sept-white-dwarf-preview-octobers-issuegw-homepage-post-4/

well done geedubs