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Ovion wrote:I'm dissapointed at the losing of 2D6 pen for MC's

According to this reddit dude, Smash does this:

Halve attacks against a vehicle, but double strength (which will almost always be to S10) and re-roll pens. This is in addition to MC attacks being AP2 and giving +1 to damage rolls. It certainly makes alot of sense, especially now that you can roll all your pens at the same time rather than 2D6 one at a time. It'll be really powerful alongside any buff that lets your MC re-roll hits against vehicles too.

Allies? More flyers? Fortifications you can just plop onto the field for little points cost? Double foc after 2000+ points?! GW is turning 6th into apocalypse. Next thing you know they'll be selling us plastic titans.

I'd predict a lot of "1999" tournaments in that case, or 2K but without the extra FOC.

Bingo. You won't be able to forget this sentence either because you'll see it in every rules pack: Allies are not allowed.

12 Psyriflemen Dreads in a GK Army.

So old. You're thinking 5th. This is 6th. Spam flyers now.

Horde potential is frightening at 2000pt+!

Therion wrote:

Not really since it doesn't show you need 2 HQ and 4 Troops before you can take your 4th Elite/FA/HS.

The picture has an asterisk after allies 0-1 HQ and 0-1 troops, which means that if you take allies at all you have to take one of both of those minimum (and in the case of HQ maximum).

It's accurate.

If you play 2000 points and use allies, you have to take 2 HQ total, 3 Troops total, and then you can take 7 HS. Iron Warriors with 4 heavy support choices in 4th ed was so imbalanced that Mat Ward thought it's okay you can have 7 heavy support choices now.

Well, at least everyone can have it now, as opposed to just one army. So its not that bad.

One can assume you must actually take 2000 points in your first FoC before being able to take the second. So even at 2500 points, after taking your mandatory HQ and two troops, that doesn't leave a lot of points to get the more heavy stuff in.

Spartan089 wrote:Allies? More flyers? Fortifications you can just plop onto the field for little points cost? Double foc after 2000+ points?! GW is turning 6th into apocalypse. Next thing you know they'll be selling us plastic titans.

And that is bad...how?

Spartan089 wrote:Allies? More flyers? Fortifications you can just plop onto the field for little points cost? Double foc after 2000+ points?! GW is turning 6th into apocalypse. Next thing you know they'll be selling us plastic titans.

We can only hope
Semi-reasonably priced plastic titans? Oh hell yes. xD

xttz wrote:

Ovion wrote:I'm dissapointed at the losing of 2D6 pen for MC's

According to this reddit dude, Smash does this:

Halve attacks against a vehicle, but double strength (which will almost always be to S10) and re-roll pens. This is in addition to MC attacks being AP2 and giving +1 to damage rolls. It certainly makes alot of sense, especially now that you can roll all your pens at the same time rather than 2D6 one at a time. It'll be really powerful alongside any buff that lets your MC re-roll hits against vehicles too.

And on another note, it nerfs the Carnifex even further into obscurity.

Granted, with the 5th ed codex they were never entirely competitive, but at least they were playable. Now they're just terrible.

Therion wrote:

I'd predict a lot of "1999" tournaments in that case, or 2K but without the extra FOC.

Bingo. You won't be able to forget this sentence either because you'll see it in every rules pack: Allies are not allowed.

I'm not sure. It might end up alienating a lot of players once 6th begins to set in. I can see it varying from tournament to tournament, but I don't think it'll become the standard.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

RiTides wrote:

Thinking of my BA dreadnought army, I could then field 12 dreadnoughts, before even adding in any Death Company dreadnoughts.

12 Psyriflemen Dreads in a GK Army.

At 1980pts worth of dreads!

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Therion wrote:

Not really since it doesn't show you need 2 HQ and 4 Troops before you can take your 4th Elite/FA/HS.

The picture has an asterisk after allies 0-1 HQ and 0-1 troops, which means that if you take allies at all you have to take one of both of those minimum (and in the case of HQ maximum).

It's accurate.

If you play 2000 points and use allies, you have to take 2 HQ total, 3 Troops total, and then you can take 7 HS. Iron Warriors with 4 heavy support choices in 4th ed was so imbalanced that Mat Ward thought it's okay you can have 7 heavy support choices now.

Well, at least everyone can have it now, as opposed to just one army. So its not that bad.

With allies, 3 HQ and 5 Troops, THEN you can have your 7 HS

Mandor wrote:One can assume you must actually take 2000 points in your first FoC before being able to take the second. So even at 2500 points, after taking your mandatory HQ and two troops, that doesn't leave a lot of points to get the more heavy stuff in.

In the reddit thread he confirmed that the only restriction on 2 FoC is simply the doubled min (2 HQ, 4 Troops)

Well i glad my tyranids are OK if i can double the FOC =)
Also not having no retreat wounds is brilliant but can i say that this is simply because purifiers are fearless =P (cheap shot i know =P )
Hopefully there is some movement based powers that can help my nids from dieing due to a hill.
The power weapon being both AP3 & 2 is interesting but is it just me or whats the point of the +1S and AP 2 compared to a power fist if it reduces you too I1?
and i wondering if having tyranids/ battle wagon orks is going to make 40k 6th ed expensive for me =(
and on the plus side the army i thinking of starting ( daemons) got a lot better.
so what are people thinking?

Lysenis wrote:HOLY FETH! You mean to say that as a BA player I can take now 6 Vindicators! Better yet I can take 6 Devastator Squads with Missiles! . . . wait. . . then this means that SW can have 6 long fang squads. . . Well that it folks SWs are still broken as gak.

Tsk tsk tsk... you think to small my child..... GKs with 12 units of Death Cults.... now THAT is broken as gak

Therion wrote:

I'd predict a lot of "1999" tournaments in that case, or 2K but without the extra FOC.

Bingo. You won't be able to forget this sentence either because you'll see it in every rules pack: Allies are not allowed.

12 Psyriflemen Dreads in a GK Army.

So old. You're thinking 5th. This is 6th. Spam flyers now.

Still, providing you're not against flier spam Psyriflemen will be pretty tough to beat, oh sorry i just got 2 pens on your tank? I don't even need to roll just take it off as you're out of HP's. And TL when you need 6's VS Fliers is still nice.


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MadCowCrazy wrote:

Lysenis wrote:HOLY FETH! You mean to say that as a BA player I can take now 6 Vindicators! Better yet I can take 6 Devastator Squads with Missiles! . . . wait. . . then this means that SW can have 6 long fang squads. . . Well that it folks SWs are still broken as gak.

Tsk tsk tsk... you think to small my child..... GKs with 12 units of Death Cults.... now THAT is broken as gak

Or 12 Units of MSU Purifiers or 12 Paladin squads if you could somehow fit the points in...

JB wrote:His last answer was to tell us who wrote the rule book.

Ward?

RiTides wrote:[Wow... if this chart is right, I can't ever see myself playing at 2K or above. I'd predict a lot of "1999" tournaments in that case, or 2K but without the extra FOC.

Bingo.

Fafnir wrote:

xttz wrote:

Ovion wrote:I'm dissapointed at the losing of 2D6 pen for MC's

According to this reddit dude, Smash does this:

Halve attacks against a vehicle, but double strength (which will almost always be to S10) and re-roll pens. This is in addition to MC attacks being AP2 and giving +1 to damage rolls. It certainly makes alot of sense, especially now that you can roll all your pens at the same time rather than 2D6 one at a time. It'll be really powerful alongside any buff that lets your MC re-roll hits against vehicles too.

And on another note, it nerfs the Carnifex even further into obscurity.

Granted, with the 5th ed codex they were never entirely competitive, but at least they were playable. Now they're just terrible.

Therion wrote:

I'd predict a lot of "1999" tournaments in that case, or 2K but without the extra FOC.

Bingo. You won't be able to forget this sentence either because you'll see it in every rules pack: Allies are not allowed.

I'm not sure. It might end up alienating a lot of players once 6th begins to set in. I can see it varying from tournament to tournament, but I don't think it'll become the standard.

I disagree, carnifex with rage are a very very good tank hunter now, it can get the +d3 attacks too and as far as we know this combines with the new +2 attacks from rage making it 8 possible attacks on charge re rolling 1's, yeah its I1, but thats more attacks than a bleeding trygon, im gonna be dusting mine off to see how they do

Why does everyone keep saying Bingo and where can I get my Numbers?

One thing I want to know, aside from allies, is the new rage USR.

Is it just +2A or does it include the 5th ed rules?

My opinion is, if it is just +2A, BADC Armies are going to become very very deadly and much more reliable.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Spartan089 wrote:Allies? More flyers? Fortifications you can just plop onto the field for little points cost? Double foc after 2000+ points?! GW is turning 6th into apocalypse. Next thing you know they'll be selling us plastic titans.

And that is bad...how?

Because this is all a money ploy by GW. Allies meanes that if you collected a single army all your life you are now at a disadvantage because your not as flexible as those with two or more armies now. So now you have to buy more models to stay competitive. Worse yet now you have to get more models for the army you already have because at 2000+ points you can take up to double your foc slots. So even if you ignore allies and stick to the same armies your now still at a disadvantage because the other guy who shelled out the money can field his mega spam list (24 razor backs sure!, 18 leman russ, you got it!), include his broken allies (sucks if your not friends with Draigo), AND field a fortress.... This is not balanced at all.

In the reddit thread he confirmed that the only restriction on 2 FoC is simply the doubled min (2 HQ, 4 Troops)

Here's a 2000 pts 6th edition army single codex no allies because it's a fluffy totally non power gamery army that likes their airplanes but doesn't like your airplanes:

-CCS + Astropath + 4 flamers
-CCS + Officer of the Fleet + 4 flamers
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Hydra
-Hydra
-Hydra
-Hydra
-Manticore
-Manticore

Only 4 scoring units?

And are killpoints still a thing? Cause that army is giving up a lot of them.

I can't imagine they'll take away the negative side of Rage (must move towards closest enemy unit). But even with that, I think +2 attacks is pretty sweet for my death company and death company dreadnoughts.

Nvm. I missed a lot

Spartan089 wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Spartan089 wrote:Allies? More flyers? Fortifications you can just plop onto the field for little points cost? Double foc after 2000+ points?! GW is turning 6th into apocalypse. Next thing you know they'll be selling us plastic titans.

And that is bad...how?

Because this is all a money ploy by GW. Allies meanes that if you collected a single army all your life you are now at a disadvantage because your not as flexible as those with two or more armies now. So now you have to buy more models to stay competitive. Worse yet now you have to get more models for the army you already have because at 2000+ points you can take up to double your foc slots. So even if you ignore allies and stick to the same armies your now still at a disadvantage because the other guy who shelled out the money can field his mega spam list (24 razor backs sure!, 18 leman russ, you got it!), include his broken allies (sucks if your not friends with Draigo), AND field a fortress.... This is not balanced at all.

It's not like people will actually play with doubled FOC. Also, taking terrain improves the game balance overall, especially in tournaments, which aren't exactly renowned for their plentiful supply of appropriate terrain.

Is there a points limit for allies? I have read something about 20% of the total but that was a while ago. That would cut down significantly on the ineviable abuse that allies will allow.

I really, really hope that there are serious limitations on allies.

Puscifer wrote:One thing I want to know, aside from allies, is the new rage USR.

Is it just +2A or does it include the 5th ed rules?

My opinion is, if it is just +2A, BADC Armies are going to become very very deadly and much more reliable.

It is only +2A, no other restrictions.


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Palindrome wrote:Is there a points limit for allies? I have read something about 20% of the total but that was a while ago. That would cut down significantly on the ineviable abuse that allies will allow.

I really, really hope that there are serious limitations on allies.

Read the Reddit thread. No limitations other than the Allies FoC.

Therion wrote:

In the reddit thread he confirmed that the only restriction on 2 FoC is simply the doubled min (2 HQ, 4 Troops)

Here's a 2000 pts 6th edition army single codex no allies because it's a fluffy totally non power gamery army that likes their airplanes but doesn't like your airplanes:

-CCS + Astropath + 4 flamers
-CCS + Officer of the Fleet + 4 flamers
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Veterans + 3 meltaguns
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Vendetta
-Hydra
-Hydra
-Hydra
-Hydra
-Manticore
-Manticore

sounds like 6th edition to me...and GW likey likey as you'll most likely have to buy 6 shiny new tanks/flyers.

Spartan089 wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Spartan089 wrote:Allies? More flyers? Fortifications you can just plop onto the field for little points cost? Double foc after 2000+ points?! GW is turning 6th into apocalypse. Next thing you know they'll be selling us plastic titans.

And that is bad...how?

Because this is all a money ploy by GW. Allies meanes that if you collected a single army all your life you are now at a disadvantage because your not as flexible as those with two or more armies now. So now you have to buy more models to stay competitive. Worse yet now you have to get more models for the army you already have because at 2000+ points you can take up to double your foc slots. So even if you ignore allies and stick to the same armies your now still at a disadvantage because the other guy who shelled out the money can field his mega spam list (24 razor backs sure!, 18 leman russ, you got it!), include his broken allies (sucks if your not friends with Draigo), AND field a fortress.... This is not balanced at all.

First we all know it is to sell models, it what GW dose after all. But really, it is a point based game if the guys feilding 18 leman ruse and your playing vs him, you got the points. You don't have to play with everything you have, play 1500 now all them models are just wasted money for him.

I've been trying to follow this thread for awhile now, but the last few days it has been going so fast I've been struggling to keep up.

Is it yet known if their has been any changes to how Assaulting Vheclies works?

But realy what I want to know is.... If I assault a transport, do I get to consolidate into the unit inside like in the Pancake Edition?