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ok then I will post something Benificial then lol ( depends on your view on the argument.discusion)


from the st argument (which as many a 40k fan seems to give rebuttal with power armour but we will ignore pa for the moment)
say the phasers do kill a marine out right and the imperium starts to lose (this is a if in my books btw but well play it as a example)
what will a phaser do to the imperiums more ghostly allies ie the legend of the damned seeing as when things start going badly for there brothers they seem to show up

what about scouts with sniper rifles picking off all the red shirts leaving only the more important shirt colours remaining

and what about suicide ships crashing into the feds ships (not just for gaks and giggles) there have been black libary books (sorry im going by memory) but I believe the imp navy did it during the hh to stall horus from getting to terra

what would fed's do about such a brazen move on the imperials part

and boarding actions by the feds on a imperial ship would be a massacre but vice versa the imperials would win by basically butchering the crews of the ships (its one of the many things marines termis and even storm troopers would lol at the feds for trying to attempt phasers or not)

smaller armies can beat larger ones with tactics but not as big as the imperium or the tau who are more advanced than the imperium and smaller than them with weaker armour and better guns would have beaten humanity long ago

actually this now that I think about it would be the best way of looking at it in my opinion tau = feds

Beerfart wrote:http://www.trekcore.com/specials/albums/rare/article6/assasin.jpg

Immune to bolter and lasgun fire....because I say so.

Maybe it's just me but I get an error from the link. More so, what does that have to do with anything? I've done nothing "because I say so." I've referenced events, episodes, and source material.

Why? A mysterious unknown species isnt effected by phaser fire so you say there is reasonable evidence to think that power armour may not be disintigrated by a high-energy weapon despite the fact that hormagaunts can sometimes punch thru it? I dont follow your line of reasoning.

I always have been bad at explaining things. My point is that there are some materials and things Phaser don't work as well on. The ceramite armor of space marines has endured hits from energy attacks before various times, so I have to wonder if the phaser would be able to bunch through when the phaser itself seems to have a harder time when hitting certain materials.

...proof against bolters and lasguns because I think so. Because...well...they've got sheilds or something.

There's a difference between a space suit and power armor my friend. The closest I've found is the Hirogen body armor, but it's less power and more armor and the material its made of doesn't seem particularly strong.

...but says nothing at all about Marine immune systems right? ....thats what I thought....you're making stuff up.

Wrong. Marines have an enhanced immune system via their implants. I believe sparse details to be in Codex: Space Marines with some expansions in various book series. I know for a fact it is addressed briefly in Soul Drinker, but there are other books that address this too but I'd have to go through my collection to find specific ones. I doubt it's anything as strong as 8472, but it could or could not be strong enough to resist Borg assimilation. That's why I use the terms unknown in both cases. We don't know what could happen, it could go either way.

Look, no offense but your whole arguement is based on opinion and guesswork. Not even educated guesses....because you know NOTHING about the systems, mechanical and bio, involved...none of us do.

We in fact do. There is a massive amount of Canon material on 40k, and though more sparse, we get plenty of details on Star Trek by analyzing the episodes (yeah... I have that much free time... That and I procrastinate. I should be doing a homework assignment right now, but I really really hate assembly language). There is some guesswork involved yes, but we can make guesses based on what we know.

As for opinion, I certainly favor 40k, so yeah maybe that does factor into how I see it. But I don't think the whole argument is baseless enough to be thrown out based on my personal bias.

Lastly, there is ABSOLUTLY no evidence to be able to compare the things we're talking about from each universe against each other.

Again. I said this pages ago XD. The two don't stack well against each other because of drastic differences in presentation. It can still be fun though. A space fight between the Imperium and Star Fleet would be awesome regardless of the outcome.

As a side note and to get this back to the funner silly stuff, what would you put in the profile for Star Trek characters?

Captain Kirk
All his stats are 0 and he has 2 wounds. Kirk has two special abilities.

Bring me your Women: All female characters on the field must enter base to base contact with Kirk, and cannot leave it for any reason so long as Kirk lives. They cannot attack kirk. If they cannot touch Kirk's base they must be placed as close to Kirk as possible in base contact with a unit in base contact with Kirk.

Expendable: If Kirk is fired upon, you may select another unit in your armor with at least 1 wound and use him as a red shirt.

and we all know what a bolter does to a t shirt now dont we ?

chainswords and flesh?

Flamers?
Plasma?
heck lasguns on shirts would still kill

because to bring in the phaser debate im guessing you need to be around the corner from someone to use it not half a mile away

so your in stabbing and bolter distance and remmember marines + walls = hole where wall was

so cover wouldn't save a trekie for too long would it ?

You all fail to realise that Marines can just teleport Terminators there, blow a hole in the wall and let everything die :p

Good. Gooood! Let the Nerdrage FLOW through you...

I just want to add that Spehs Marines are 1000 times hardier and balsier than Kirk. Kickass boarding actions would rule the day.

As for the Marines immune system, it is pointed out to be very strong. VERY strong.

Warhammer 40k's plasma weapons are much more powerful than Trek's plasma weapon.Marines have faster reflexes than normal humans and while the greyshirts are trying to click on phaser they already have bolt in their head.

True. And without armour a bolt round ANYWHERE (even in the wall or ground right next to them) is going to kill them.

Of course, Trek plasma weapons aren't known to blow up.

If terminator suits can survive inside plasma reactors why can't they stand against phasers.

That makes sense. Wouldn't a phaser act more like a hot-shot lasgun/pistol?

IvanTih wrote:If terminator suits can survive inside plasma reactors why can't they stand against phasers.

because the trekie side of this debate says they cant

The trekkies.Bring on the dreadnought with autocannon.

yeah what would they do if a dreadnought rocked up to one phaser it doubt it would destroy or stun the dread
beat it in hand to hand we have a add for that for tui beer the slogan is yea right (might have to photoshop one tonight just for this occasion)

my comment on the feds being comparable to tau for there stats still stands as far as im concerned


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yeah what would they do if a dreadnought rocked up to one phaser it doubt it would destroy or stun the dread
beat it in hand to hand we have a add for that for tui beer the slogan is yea right (might have to photoshop one tonight just for this occasion)

my comment on the feds being comparable to tau for there stats still stands as far as im concerned

What are Mandalorkians? you take- Mandalors = stupid and Orks= stupid and mixthem into something cool- hmm don't think it would work...
Also you forgot about Khan- who is cooler than all of 40k combined-

Even in death I still got served

Apart from of course...>_>...<_<...a certain tactical geniu-CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!

So is there ANY area where phasers have little to no affect? (There must be or else a stray shot would go right through a planet.)

Void shields or alpha-plus psyker blocking the phaser with his powers.

or a Invunerable save, (or aim)

TyranidTony wrote:What are Mandalorkians? you take- Mandalors = stupid and Orks= stupid and mixthem into something cool- hmm don't think it would work...

You best be joking.



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GAain the problem is we don't know what ST has for an army- or for ground forces... They must have something- but the show is about exploration- so that is what we see. I find it hard to believe that the Borg, Romulans, Klingons, ect...were all repelled from attacking earth directly by the enterprise A-E or whatever and a couple of exploration vessels? They would have to have some kind of defense- I honestly don't know what they have though- I am not the big trekkie-

TyranidTony wrote:.
Also you forgot about Khan- who is cooler than all of 40k combined-

The only cool khan belongs to 40k.....

Sorry to disturb here, but its unlikely a "peaceful flower pickin and cant hit a house with a hundred shots" type of force (trekkieversum) has any chance against the grimdark of darkness that is eternal war ( 40k) .




Nice comic, IvanTih

Please don't lose the little respect I have for you by telling me you are a Fett fan? Please- don't- I could start a whole 'nother thread on that waste of time...nevermind I quit- hahaha. Mandalors? I am done...

Having respect for me was a bad move, you're lucky I intervened.

The problem with a thread like this it needs to be done on a neutral forum where the site is not biased to either 40k star wars or Star Trek

hmm where can we post with a large neutral networking site ????

hmmm wonder wonder

Facebook


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crazykiwi wrote:The problem with a thread like this it needs to be done on a neutral forum where the site is not biased to either 40k star wars or Star Trek

hmm where can we post with a large neutral networking site ????

hmmm wonder wonder

Facebook

Yea, Boba Fett was SOOO cool, he did all of....nothing.

Watched Vader freeze Han.

Pushed Han onto 'Slave I'.

"fought" (*snicker*) Luke.

Made the Sarlacc burp.

What a douche.

Which has the cooler quote... Khan?- "He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's flames before I give him up!"-"On Earth, two hundred years ago, I was a prince with power over millions..." or Boba Fett-"?" Oh wait he didn't say ANYTHING COOL- that's right...

Emperors Faithful wrote:Apart from of course...>_>...<_<...a certain tactical geniu-CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!

So is there ANY area where phasers have little to no affect? (There must be or else a stray shot would go right through a planet.)

Depending on power setting they can be blocked by rocks and packing crates. Some living things, including a few humanoids, are immune to the stun setting and and can take a troublesome amount of fire from hand phasers on the kill setting. On power settings used for vaporizing things some materials are harder to cut through than others, and those are about the ones you'd expect - rocks are harder to vaporize than people and armor plates are even harder. There's an episode of DS9 showing characters taking all day trying to cut through a metal plate with hand phasers. Shields and force fields can also resist phasers depending on their relative power levels. With shipboard phasers it's about the same thing, though obviously with much more power behind them. It's a bit more complicated than simply phasers disintegrate things.

Yeah. Sadly Boba didn't do much in the movies but look like a chump. He's okay in EU, but I've lost all faith in EU since they killed my favorite characters and continue to focus on folks who must be in their 60's. Jango was cooler. He actually got screen time.

Ha my plan has succeded.The huge amount of nerd rage will cure the blood angels of their black rage.

Kharn is cooler: