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Are we such nerds as to stoop to such a level as to compare startrek vs. starwars?

why not try something as bad, maybe stock car racing vs. drag racing, or which is better hockey, or football?

these kind of comparisons have no real basis as they are separate realities and the influences are so disparate that the two universes cannot be argued together strongly.

also, you asked this question on a forum with all 40k players, what do you think the answer would be?

Comparing a comparison of different scifi realities to sports? Who do you think you are, just jumping in here with your athletically egngaging ideas? I, for one, am the sort of nerd/ addict to not put up with these useless exertions of physicality.

Also, to make it all equivalent on all fronts, to your responsive question, I would say this: "Are we human, or are we gamer? If you cut us, don't we try to kep the blood off all of our non chaos-y models?" Quander this response to your quandary based on the original quandary, then come to your 40k senses and see that comparing such comparisons is like comparing a grox to a man.

the fact that you know what these four sports are is enough to get my point across.

If it is sci-fi/fantasy comparisons is what you want lets do that.

comparing star trek vs. 40k is like;

Middle Earth to Narnia
Dune to StarWars
I Robot to the Matrix
E.T. to Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind

I could go on....

the point i have is that these to universes are so different that an accurate comparison is not viable and thus not a good argument at all.

and then you never commented on the fact that this is a 40k board so the point of asking this question in the first place is moot.

If you don't like this thread, why post in it?

it isn't the fact of whether i like the thread or not, i am just commenting on the nature of such a thread when the answer is blatantly obvious,

take all the famous sci-fi genres that this happens to, startrek, starwars, and 40k (for us at least).

star trek has notoriously weak shielding technology and structural integrity for their starships, this alone will cause them to loose against a starwars or 40k war vessel of the same size, that is say the Enterprise - E one of the larger startrek ships up against even a frigate in 40k, or a corralian corvette in starwars. that is not to mention the shear power of both star wars and 40k to have easily repeatable world destroying measures, and don't cont genesis as that makes the world habitable again, exterminatus or the death star don't. this space battle alone is enough to swing the win to either side, but don't even get going on titans, space marines, at-at's, mass amounts of decently armoured storm troopers compared to the mostly foot based star-fleet infantry that rely extremly on their naval forces in orbit for support in those hairy situations (which by the way has just been annihilated in orbit).

so now for the remaining 2 genres, star wars vs 40k.

again lets take starwars (empire for ease of use) and 40k's (again we will focus on the imperium for ease of use) best warship that is not some monstrous floating moonsized thing (the rock or death star). so lets face off 2 of these monsters, an emperor class battle ship vs a star destroyer.

The star destroyer starts off at 1600 meters long, and from what i can tell the emperor class is around there as well (i could not find a stat list) the fighter wings are disproportionate, the emperor would win this one, it comes to shields verses none, and the fact of seeker missiles vs hand targeted laser for the tie fighters. when you look at raw speed and maneuverability the star destroyer wins but then in firepower the emperor wins with lance batteries, in shielding, i would say they are equivilent. this all come to a push to slight edge of the emperor class, now look at a full fleet action, there is a mixture of 40k vessels whereas the empire has a nasty habit of throwing a ton of star destroyers and a few interdictors (which are useless here), this fully focussed battle plan is their down fall, with a proper 40k imperial navy battle fleet facing a battle fleet of the empire the massive lance and torpedo salvo's being followed by shielded missile bearing small craft and the frigates out maneuvering the stardestroyers all day the empire (star wars) is in trouble, yes there will be 40k losses, but a fleet battle will surely end in 40k's favour.

on ground battle it will happen even harsher, the empire (starwars) lands it's troops and starts marching them forward, then the imperium (40k) lands it's troops, the difference is that of the say 20 star destroyers that makes for 18400 storm troopers and a good number of support such as at-at's, at-st's and the like, the problem is put an at-at against a titan and guess who wins the armaments alone say the one with a d-class weapon at extreme range will take the cake, then you have the imperial guard a typical regiment is over 50,000 soldiers, so they now outnumber the empire nearly 3-1. Now imagine if the space marines managed to bring a chapter, the empire's land zine is now peppered with drop pods disgorging walking behemoths intent on blood, the storm troopers are just screwed. now the worst is if there was an inquisitor aboard and the world in question was important or not, if a small agri world or some such i see it going something like this;

captain; inquisitor we have found the enemies beach head, what do you wish to do?

inquisitor; exterminatus, this new enemy must not be alowed to think they still have a chance to deafeat the great imperium of man.

so if star wars beats star trek and 40k beats star wars then 40k beats star trek as well.

those are my thoughts, i know i ramble, but i hope i made some sort of sence.

I just want to point out that RustyKnight has entirely deserved this...

I was wondering.Which was the fastest growing thread on dakka dakka?

LordofHats wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Dark Age technology is some pretty crazy stuff, probably beyond most of Star Trek's capabilities. (That's where humanity really came into it's own from a technological standpoint.) Just look at that Dark Angel guy's jetbike, or at vortex weaponry, or at some of the other things the AdMech keeps behind closed doors.

Yeah that stuff is all behind Star Trek's tech- jetbikes? vortex grenades? really? What about genesis torpedoes? Or being able to travel through time and space with out a 50/50 chance of going to hell and getting your soul eaten by a deamon? Hahahah- do we play the same game?



PS: The Death Star was destroyed by a Proton torpedo, not a Photon Torpedo. And It wasn't the torpedo that really did it it was the explosion in the exhaust port causing a chain reaction. I still don't see how you're draw the conclusion that a randomly shot Photon Torpedo would blow the Death Star to bits, or what relevance it has to the discussion of Imperium vs Star Fleet. See Straw-Man argument.

Wow- where is "Failblog" when you need it-- you say there's no way a torpedo can kill the Deathstar- realized it was the most monumentaly wrong things you have said of all the wrong thins you have said then try to take it back with " wait there's an H instead of an R"- come on man- he got ya- let it go Indiana...

I like the arguement on how lasgun bolts- don't have a frequency- classic-
Also the "Star Wars ships are more structurly sound than Star Trek ships? Are you sure about that one? Watch Star Wars again (apparently you haven't in a while) a pay attention to how every large ship in the movie is destroyed by one hit- Death stars- Star destroyers- Superstar destroyers, ect are all killed by one hit- ( an A-wing to the command tower- an asteroid- you shoot the ball/water towers in the back- hahahah- I have seen the enterprize have a torpedo ram through the hull and still fight on- I have seen ships have the Nay-cells( spell) blown off and continue- you might want to do a couple of checks on these again. Now as far as Imperium ships? It is hard to say- they are extremely large and powerful- but I haven't read anything about them taking damage from things that weren't 40k weapons or Tyranid weapons- so I really can't say much about that.

Phasers aren't that powerful? Really cause they atomize you- your clothes- whatever you are holding, ect. what does a lasbolt do?
Space marine immune systems can stop borg implants? why? cause you say so? hahaha they can barely stop Tyranid implants- the few times they do.
At the end of this magic show of pull useless and unrealated info out of our butt show that is on here- I beleive that the one guy above was right where he said something to the effect that you can compare for just pure fun- but anything more than that is just kinda a waste because there is no middle ground- we have very few- if any of there technologies- where Star trek tries to ride the crest of our tech limits for sci fi fun- it can fail sometimes. And 40k doesn't even bother to try to explain most of the stuff it's tech can do because it doesn't make any or very little sense. They have tech but are scared of it- they know how their tech works one minute butdon't the next? "this is a rare plamsa gun or master crafted weapon- they are very few in number and are rarely seen- cost 5pts- available to anyone. I was waitong for the power weapon vs lightsaber arguement to pop out- "Hey silly! my ridiculously imaginary weapon CAN beat your ridiculously imaginary weapon!" can not- can too. Thnx for the entertainment.


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Oh- wait I saw this one too- That the Eldar only exist because they are good at hiding? That is just kinda silly- come on now- Can someone photoshop me an Eldar army with trees or mountains or any background that they would be good at hiding at with the light blues- neon greens-whites-purples? Maybe in a skittle factory? I know what he is saying but- that is too funny....

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Yeah you gotta love it when people wiki or google jargon for arguing/debating for a SW vs ST post- wow! him is smarty!

Beerfart wrote:....and Lordofhats ignores TyranidTony's logical points made stating "Ad Hominim" or "Strawman" to make himself look versed in debate in...

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Hurray for hate the Hats day. Everyone gets a free Sombrero! (No really, I don't want them).

Again Beerfarts, is insulting all you're gonna do or do you actually have something to contribute? I can disagree with TyranidTony if I want but at least he contributes to the conversation.

Wow- where is "Failblog" when you need it-- you say there's no way a torpedo can kill the Deathstar- realized it was the most monumentaly wrong things you have said of all the wrong thins you have said then try to take it back with " wait there's an H instead of an R"- come on man- he got ya- let it go Indiana...

I didn't say a photon torpedo couldn't. I was wondering how he drew the conclusion it could from a proton torpedo doing it. Another poster came in and kind of fixed that if you look back a page I believe. See, some of us actually DO know how to argue logically (granted I doubt I'm very good at it. I review my own arguments and find faulty reasoning all the time), and saying "Proton torpedo destroyed Death Star so a Photon Torpedo could do it too" is in fact faulty logic because there is no argument present to connect the two together.

I actually attend a debate forum regularly, I have no need to "wiki" logical fallacies and I never use google or most search engines for that matter. Bing is as bad as the rest of them but those commercials are so true. The Library is faster XD. Although I do now wonder how complete their list is (I'd be surprised if they didn't have one). It is so hard to find a convenient list of the damn things online for reference.

Phasers aren't that powerful? Really cause they atomize you- your clothes- whatever you are holding, ect. what does a lasbolt do?

I suggest watching a few episodes of Star Trek. I believe there is one in the original series where the phaser failed to kill an alien life form (It was The Devil in the Darkl). I also believe species 8472 resisted phaser fire. Seeing as nothing in Star Trek can compare to power armor worn by space marines, I'm doubtful of the phasers ability to instant kill them as many people believe the all mighty phaser can. I'm sure it could punch through the armor eventually but would it be fast enough to kill the marine before they shot back at you?

Space marine immune systems can stop borg implants? why? cause you say so? hahaha they can barely stop Tyranid implants- the few times they do.

I don't remember anyone arguing this, though I've been sleeping for like, 8 hours? I'm usually groggy in the morning. Maybe I missed it?

You'll notice that Borg implants failed to assimilate species 8472 because that race had a very strong immune system. To argue that marines can't resist the implants because they can't resist Tyranid implants is faulty logic because Tyranid != Borg (Though they certainly seem to fill similar roles in their universes). There's precedent for a life form resisting implantation with a strong immune system. Is the marine's strong enough? I don't know. That's getting too detailed even for me and I love details XD.

At the end of this magic show of pull useless and unrealated info out of our butt show that is on here- I beleive that the one guy above was right where he said something to the effect that you can compare for just pure fun- but anything more than that is just kinda a waste because there is no middle ground- we have very few- if any of there technologies- where Star trek tries to ride the crest of our tech limits for sci fi fun- it can fail sometimes. And 40k doesn't even bother to try to explain most of the stuff it's tech can do because it doesn't make any or very little sense. They have tech but are scared of it- they know how their tech works one minute butdon't the next? "this is a rare plamsa gun or master crafted weapon- they are very few in number and are rarely seen- cost 5pts- available to anyone. I was waitong for the power weapon vs lightsaber arguement to pop out- "Hey silly! my ridiculously imaginary weapon CAN beat your ridiculously imaginary weapon!" can not- can too. Thnx for the entertainment.

Why is it that when I said this on like, page 1 and again on page 2 or 3, no one cared ?

Oh- wait I saw this one too- That the Eldar only exist because they are good at hiding? That is just kinda silly- come on now- Can someone photoshop me an Eldar army with trees or mountains or any background that they would be good at hiding at with the light blues- neon greens-whites-purples? Maybe in a skittle factory? I know what he is saying but- that is too funny....

Not what I argued. Someone said they survived because of superior technology. I argued that to assume they exist in a bubble of technological superiority minus all other factors of the 40k universe was false (That would be a funny picture though, I want a copy if I may).

Beerfart wrote:....and Lordofhats ignores TyranidTony's logical points made stating "Ad Hominim" or "Strawman" to make himself look versed in debate in...

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'Poisoning the well', you've committed a logical fallacy.

It would take some sort of tactical genius to sneak in this many personal attacks without alerting the mods...

Want me to participate? Your wish is my command...

LordofHats wrote:
I actually attend a debate forum regularly, I have no need to "wiki" logical fallacies and I never use google or most search engines for that matter. Bing is as bad as the rest of them but those commercials are so true. The Library is faster XD. Although I do now wonder how complete their list is (I'd be surprised if they didn't have one). It is so hard to find a convenient list of the damn things online for reference.

Who cares?

Phasers aren't that powerful? Really cause they atomize you- your clothes- whatever you are holding, ect. what does a lasbolt do?

I suggest watching a few episodes of Star Trek.

What? Like "Man Trap", "What are little girls made of", "Mirror Mirror", "Friday's Child", "A private little war", "Requiem for Methuselah", these must not be episodes of star trek since each one features disintigration by phaser. I could go on with examples in movies and/or other 'Trek series, but the point is made. I dont think you see lasguns doing this sort of damage.

I believe there is one in the original series where the phaser failed to kill an alien life form (I'll find the episodes name and edit it in, I haven't memorized them all). I also believe species 8472 resisted phaser fire.

so there are a couple of species resistant to phaser fire? So what? How does the species in "operation:Annihilate" not being disintigrated because of the species' particular biology have anything even REMOTELY to do with marines in power armour not being disintigrated? Pretty much every single time a humanoid is killed in TOS with a phaser....it vanishes....If anything THAT sets more of a precedent. I wont stand by that "evidence" though....I'm not making stuff up.

Seeing as nothing in Star Trek can compare to power armor worn by space marines,

How do you come to THIS conclusion? Oh right, you made it up, ok...go on...

Space marine immune systems can stop borg implants? why? cause you say so? hahaha they can barely stop Tyranid implants- the few times they do.

I don't remember anyone arguing this, though I've been sleeping for like, 8 hours? I'm usually groggy in the morning. Maybe I missed it?

You'll notice that Borg implants failed to assimilate species 8472 because that race had a very strong immune system. To argue that marines can't resist the implants because they can't resist Tyranid implants is faulty logic because Tyranid != Borg (Though they certainly seem to fill similar roles in their universes). There's precedent for a life form resisting implantation with a strong immune system. Is the marine's strong enough? I don't know. That's getting too detailed even for me and I love details XD.

Nobody knows this, to make claims of ANY kind is "making Sh!t up".

ahh nerd rage in its purest form the I can feel the routes of so called logic each side is using to the other

but since this is a 40k forum I gotta go with the crowd (hell who am I kidding 40k 4thw) and in the end until we see a novel where the owners of the ip's for 40k and star trek go lets shut these buggers up once and for all and either say hey this is what would happen or

A: they write a series of books
B: do a marvel meets dc style short story/comic book to show what would happen
C: as I have said before the man himself Peter Jackson does a epic trilogy showing you on the big screen the out come of said debate

now flame away :

On the Star Trek Forums I'm sure they're having the exact same arguements with guys from both camps. "Making stuff up" along the way as well.

However...over there, Star Trek reigns supreme.

Go figure.

Michael Bay has to direct any 40k/ST crossover.

It will be the only move he has made where the explosion:smaller explosion Ratio is correct

Gwar! wrote:Michael Bay has to direct any 40k/ST crossover.

It will be the only move he has made where the explosion:smaller explosion Ratio is correct

In Michael Bay's movie, Data's cat Spot gets humped by a squig for a comedy releif! Isnt that FUNNY!?

Bay has such a grand sense of humour.

And then Data turns into Megatron!

Yep, can't wait to see Bay's "vision" of the movie.

(....so I can puke)

If Michael Bay is able to sell his movies....I should be able to poop on a paper plate and sell it to SOMEONE in Hollywood.

and if the posters from both forums where in the same room it would be a room full of mirrors lol

or the internet would be dead silent as there would be no one screaming mine fantasy reality is better than yours because I say so and if you say any thing different your a

but then we are all civil people really arent we

and since its all in fun and we arent taking low blows

how about this..... everyone posting on topics like this should jusy bombard the owner of the ip's to give a ruling on said subject and pray to get a answer from them in the next 20 years

or possibly start a bit of a war between the two companys lol

Gw: the imperium would waste those puny federation dogs
St owners(sorry im not a trekkie): pfft we have kirk and warp drives and other fancy dodaades the federation would pone your imperium every way to whykickamoocow and back

(for all we know they may already be doing this behind closed doors in suits with wiffle bats) what I wouldn't pay to see that

Beerfart wrote:Who cares?

Obviously you do, as you keep bringing it up.

Phasers aren't that powerful? Really cause they atomize you- your clothes- whatever you are holding, ect. what does a lasbolt do?

What? Like "Man Trap", "What are little girls made of", "Mirror Mirror", "Friday's Child", "A private little war", "Requiem for Methuselah", these must not be episodes of star trek since each one features disintigration by phaser. I could go on with examples in movies and/or other 'Trek series, but the point is made. I dont think you see lasguns doing this sort of damage.

Where did I claim a lasgun could do it? I ask the practical difference between the weapon. You point and shoot. Assuming the Guard and Star Fleet would take cover, we end up in a typical fire fight, and include the fact we've never seen hide nor hair of any armor in the Star Trek universe, we have to wonder if they have any while we know the Imperial Guard has an abundance of such things.

so there are a couple of species resistant to phaser fire? So what? How does the species in "operation:Annihilate" not being disintigrated because of the species' particular biology have anything even REMOTELY to do with marines in power armour not being disintigrated? Pretty much every single time a humanoid is killed in TOS with a phaser....it vanishes....If anything THAT sets more of a precedent. I wont stand by that "evidence" though....I'm not making stuff up.

Because it leaves us to question whether it would work. There are species that resist the phaser because of their make up. In many episodes where a phaser is used to cut through rock the phaser doesn't disintegrate it snap of a finger, but rather spend hours burrowing through it. Also notice how phaser fire from Star Ships doesn't "disintegrates" the enemy's ships. This suggests that the material being fired at and the size of the object matter in whether it can be disintegrated, creating an unknown.

And so what, Star Trek ended at TOS? TNG, DS9, and Voyager never happened?

How do you come to THIS conclusion? Oh right, you made it up, ok...go on...

I made that up? Have you ever seen anything in Star Trek remotely comparable to power armor? Any hint that such things exist in the Star Trek universe? The answer is no. It's never been pointed to, hinted at, or referenced in any Star Trek canon media, which leaves us with the question of does it exist in Star Trek? We've seen Star Fleet combat teams wearing nothing but their uniforms even in boarding actions. None of the infantry forces of other races seem to wear any including Cardassians, Klingons, Romulans, and even the Hirogen. Though the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, the fact we've never seen anything like power armor used even in situation where it seems appropriate points towards Star Trek races not using any. I have no doubt they have the capacity to make it were they so inclined, but the races of Star Trek seem to focus so much on their ships that ground combat seems to be some kind of after thought to them.

I even did a quick search of both Memory Alpha and Memory Beta, and there is no appearance of the words "Power Armor" in any either of them. I can't think I've ever seen any or even heard the words muttered, so I don't think it's "made up" to take the ground they don't exist in Star Trek. I've gone over the Hirogen because I remember them having some kind of suit, but it's hardly power armor.

Nobody knows this, to make claims of ANY kind is "making Sh!t up"?

Watch the Voyager episodes again. It's outright stated that their immune system attacks any foreign body including Borg assimilation. It can also be used as a weapon, or I suppose I made that part up too? I didn't make it up, it's in the episodes. Either where they first appeared In season 3 or 4 I think it was, or that one where 8472 randomly comes back a season or so later in another episode.

Bay has such a grand sense of humour.

He does. I prefer it to typical American slap stick comedy. It would be his kind of movie too. Lots of opportunity for explosions. EDIT: Although the film would probably be riddled with plot holes. I remember an article on Transformers and the sequel and the writer just tore into it pointing out a multitude of plot holes in both films, and looking back, his movies usually are filled with holes.

LordofHats wrote:

Beerfart wrote:Who cares?

Obviously you do, as you keep bringing it up.

sorry I think lordofhats got you on the technicality

I always love the bistanders that have nothing to contribute yet speak as though they are above the the nerd talk...good times. Anywho- I think we may be missing the point then on the torpedo thang- In all honesty- it is a chain reaction started by the torpedo that does the big base- in so in the end it is irrelavent-probably.
I am pretty sure the phasers disintegrated pretty much anything organic- with a few exceptions. Therefore - I believe it would wipe out the spacemarine- I have no idea what it would or wouldn't do to the termy armor/ What is it made of? plasteel and adamantium? hahaah what?
As far as the tech- I think Trek has 40k beat all to hell- 40k tech tends to almost be magic to them where Trek tech- they are so good with it they will modify it on the spot for their needs.
The main problem I see is the sheer numbers and sacrifice that the Imperium can bring to the fight- that would be something that the Federation may not even understand- billions ofreligious zealots aren't something
I have seen the Fed fight before...at least not like that. They tend to be diplomatic about things- in which case it is hard to guess exactly what the Imperium of man would say- it would be easy to say that they would fight the Federation because of their lack of faith in the Emperor- but who knows...?


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Upon thinking about it more- it would be funny to see how they DID work in 40k- Would the Eldar get over their hate on for humans by seeing these more civilized counterparts? I could easily see the slave race Tau working together as long as the Ethereals were cool with their goals. I would be afraid of introducing the romulans to the dark Eldar or the Klingons to the Orks- or it may end up that "there is only war" once they find kindred spirits there- hahah

TyranidTony wrote:I am pretty sure the phasers disintegrated pretty much anything organic- with a few exceptions. Therefore - I believe it would wipe out the spacemarine

A naked one?

TyranidTony wrote:I am pretty sure the phasers disintegrated pretty much anything organic- with a few exceptions. Therefore - I believe it would wipe out the spacemarine- I have no idea what it would or wouldn't do to the termy armor/ What is it made of? plasteel and adamantium? hahaah what?

That's what I'm saying. I have no doubt a phaser would work on Guard, as there really isn't a difference between the Guard and the military forces seen in Star Trek minus the combined arms aspect. Space Marine armor is made of Ceramite, though how close this is to the kind of ceramite that make teeth I don't know. Their armor seems to be capable of taking quite a beating and they've shrugged off hits from other kinds of energy weapons before, so I'm assuming its some kind of special material. That's the unknown, whether the armor can or cannot be penetrated by a phaser and how quickly a phaser could do it.

The main problem I see is the sheer numbers and sacrifice that the Imperium can bring to the fight- that would be something that the Federation may not even understand- billions ofreligious zealots aren't something
I have seen the Fed fight before...at least not like that. They tend to be diplomatic about things- in which case it is hard to guess exactly what the Imperium of man would say- it would be easy to say that they would fight the Federation because of their lack of faith in the Emperor- but who knows...?

This.

I would also prefer it if Bay- made no more movies- ever Transformers were a favorite of mine until he destroyed them recently- thnx again Bay. The absoulte worst movie I have seen in years...TF2.

I still think it's likely they wouldn't fight if the Imperium was still in their own galaxy. They really can't afford to pick fights with other humans when they have Orks and Tyranids and such bearing down on them, not to mention a galaxy filled with assorted other aliens showing up next door.

I bet the Federation would be willing to follow the Emperor of Man if things got bad, but since he's infirm at the moment that ship has probably sailed. Still, they would probably just leave each other alone, maybe with the Imperium sending out a small contingent to try and get them to submit to their rule (which would probably end with them being repulsed or calling some sort of truce, since it's both a much smaller attacking force and they wouldn't want to go scorched planet).

LordofHats wrote:
Where did I claim a lasgun could do it? I ask the practical difference between the weapon. You point and shoot. Assuming the Guard and Star Fleet would take cover, we end up in a typical fire fight, and include the fact we've never seen hide nor hair of any armor in the Star Trek universe, we have to wonder if they have any while we know the Imperial Guard has an abundance of such things.

http://www.trekcore.com/specials/albums/rare/article6/assasin.jpg

Immune to bolter and lasgun fire....because I say so.

Because it leaves us to question whether it would work.

Why? A mysterious unknown species isnt effected by phaser fire so you say there is reasonable evidence to think that power armour may not be disintigrated by a high-energy weapon despite the fact that hormagaunts can sometimes punch thru it? I dont follow your line of reasoning.

I made that up? Have you ever seen anything in Star Trek remotely comparable to power armor?

...proof against bolters and lasguns because I think so. Because...well...they've got sheilds or something.

Watch the Voyager episodes again. It's outright stated that their immune system attacks any foreign body including Borg assimilation. It can also be used as a weapon, or I suppose I made that part up too? I didn't make it up, it's in the episodes. Either where they first appeared In season 3 or 4 I think it was, or that one where 8472 randomly comes back a season or so later in another episode.

...but says nothing at all about Marine immune systems right? ....thats what I thought....you're making stuff up.

Look, no offense but your whole arguement is based on opinion and guesswork. Not even educated guesses....because you know NOTHING about the systems, mechanical and bio, involved...none of us do.

Lastly, there is ABSOLUTLY no evidence to be able to compare the things we're talking about from each universe against each other.

Yeah -so you can kill all the sergeants you want since they never wear helmets- haha


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I almost want to use my knowledge of Dark Heresy to compare them- but it is off on a lot of things...