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That looks... horribly evil. Even with my limited grasp on the game that looks just absolutely merciless.

BlueDagger wrote:That is the standard thought till models start congo lining, Supressive fire will only hit the front model since there is no LoF to the ones behind. Shotguns are another option but they are short range and Haqq are the only ones that can effectively pull off shotgun spam.


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To give you an example of what that would look like...

COMBINED ARMY
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Grupo 1 (Reg: 2/Irr: 50):

SHROUDED Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
AutoMedikit, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Lieutenant

SHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
AutoMedikit, CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Minelayer

50x PRETA Chain Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines (Biomines) / CCW
MOV:6-6 CC:17 BS:7 PH:13 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
V: Dogged, Poison


299 Points | SWC: 2.5

ARMY CODE: eNozNVQ1MlEzVTOsAVJmIMpSzWCUohEFANDgUiE= Army Infinity v.3.0.

That battle table looks small, what size is this supposed to be? does not look as a normal 47x47 inches to me.

and

What should I fear if I have a missile launcher and you just have two regular orders? What happens if I use a monofilament mine in the middle of the map with a Mlaigno or a Naga? What are the chances of warband hordes against a fireteam of djanbazans in a good sniper tower? or just a reaction remote in a bird´s nest?

There are so many tools for the player in this game, there is no ultimate army list.

Haha yeah the scaling is way off, just noticed that I left it at default settings. This just means that the pretas should actually be a lot smaller thus not clogging up lanes as much. they still move up to 12" per turn so that front line can make it to the enemy deployment zone in one turn.

Missile Launcher - Could make a mess of something, but you still have to hit while they dodge and they are moving in coordinated orders of 4 at a time. In those 2 orders they move up to 24". If you wound them without killing them on their first move+move they trigger dogged and still move 6" and chainrifle at a minimum.

Mine - Impetuous movement allows you to move in a way that you can avoid mines. You have a pile of rolls to discover it.

Snipes - You can't cover every avenue of approach with a linked team, and with 4 models you need at least 2 people to have AROs to even get one shot on each, then you still ahve to hit and they still ahve to fail ARM roll.

Reaction Remote - HMG remote gets 4 shots and like the other situations can't cover every lane of fire or you have made terrain fail.


Like I said, if you tailored your list against this with a bunch of reactions, sin-eaters, piles of shotguns etc then you most likely won't do well against other things you may face.

Others that have been brought up in the past

Drop in AD behind them - They have biomines and can pepper the field

Just fire a lot at them - Everytime you shoot any that see you can dodge and all successful advance another 3"

Ninja TO them - Chain Rifled to death

Suppressive fire every lane of approach - Congo line to block LoF or halt yourself

Kill the Lt - have fun playing guess the camo marker while you dodge mines.



Thus my point, horde in mass in a situation like this can effectively break things because the tools they give you to limit ARO in conjunction with incredibly cheap troops throws things for a loop. A simple 2 grp max eliminates this as a threat to tourneys.

Don´t get me wrong. I like the list, I like the idea, and with the actual Hungries miniatures that could look awesome.

But you are talking too proud of this, you are basically saying that the INFINITY rules are broken with this and some newbies could even think that you are right.
Now, If someone give a dollar everytime I heard someone saying that he found the ideal formula for winning in Infinity or any other game... maybe I could have around twenty bucks....

What I can tell you is that that Hungries themed list can be pretty effective until someone comes up with another list and wins. INFINITY is huge in its tactical resources and no one has won a battle writing in a forum.
A friend of mine went to a tournament with Ariadna saying things like "My list is inbeatable", "I have the perfect army" and things like that. He made a good day, but he got his ass kicked by another player as everyone else.

It is not the list, is the decisions you make while playing.

The last thing I want to see is a newbie coming to his third game with his 40K tyrannid army, winning with a preta list and being completely sure that he owns this game without buying a single miniature. That would be an ugly vision.

Oh don't get me wrong the system is nearly flawless, and in the hands of a new player a list like this wouldn't work, but with a vet the list becomes insanely hard to beat. The good thing is that most Infinity vets I know have too much respect for the game to pull a list like this. Playing a list like this is a good way to ensure you don't get played again ;D

Are there any troubles with supplying over at Infinity at this moment? Because I ordered some from an independent retailer a while ago, and they said they were still waiting for theirs to come from Spain, is this just the entire 'small companies with small production' thing?

Well the issue with the horde lists is cost- that 50 preta list costs a fair amount of money, and yes supression fire an such can do well.

However...Terrain should block long lines of fire period if you are playing the game right with the recommended amount of terrain. So all those horde models will easily get within 12 inches unless you are playing on a horrible board that is completely open.

Also I dont play combined and no-one I played ever did either. The horde lists were usually Haqqi or highlanders from ariadna. An the odds of survival with a template weapon that auto hits is actually quite good. Not to mention you are auto hitting your target...that large template is well quite long range and has the ability to hit several models at once.

Take for instance- Armor 1 or 0, you have cover +3 arm, and they still have to roll to hit you with 1 dice. So on average they need a 12 or 13 to hit you. Maybe -3 for cover as well if you moved smartly.

So I move in with a flamethrower vs average troops I move fire to cover as my order. He AROs with shooting to kill me.

FT hit is say Str 13 for Light if I remember right- so auto hit 13 vs his armor of 1 or even +3 for cover means he has a 50% chance of survival or death. Also if I wound he has to save again or take another wound from fire.

His AOR shot= 13- 3 for cover = he only has a 50% chance to hit me...then if he hits I have a Arm 1+3 = a 10+ on a D20 to save vs a Str 13 rifle hit. So another 50% chance to live.

So I walk up hit him automatically and havea 50% kill chance on 1 wound model, and a 25% kill chance on a 2 wound model- two wound model prolly has better armor but you get the point, and yes I have seen flamethrowers drop 2 wound models in one hit several times, esp if they attack from a position in which it doesnt have cover.

His ARO only has a 25% chance to kill me. Not to mention most likely Im fewer points.

Thus the Area of effect weapon rules are currently the problem.

Also as to supression fire, it can still be smoked which reduces your chances to hit models moving thru it. Also its a small template so usually you just use your one long range guy to step out and kill the supressor before the assault troops move in.

If you can be seen you can be killed, one of the main rules in infinity. A player can stack so many order with more dice per order on their turn that if you leave a model exposed they will most likely die unless your dice are extremely lucky.

As I said we used to play alot its been proven out. Your best chance to live on your turn is to not leave any of your models visible so they have to at least spend some orders to get LOS on your guys. before they kill you with more dice. Only lucky dice or criticals- again luck can prevent your models death. Average model gets 3 dice on its turn compared to your models 1 dice, you lose most of the time.

Its still a great game with alot of tactical options, just be warned once people start getting some skill Area of effect weapons are abit overpowering for the current point scale.

Just a heads up, still planning to attempt some videos. First test videos were aweful lol

Just received my first ever Infinity box set today! The Hassassin Bahram starter pack. Absolutely beautiful little sculpts (the Lasiq with sniper rifle in particular), can't wait to get to work on them

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2011/miniatures/hassassin-bahram/

I received my Imperial Service starter and Celestial Guard w/Spitfire and Sniper rifle as well as a box of Galwegians! I still need to wait on a restock of William Wallace and the Caledonian starter and I will be all set.

The miniatures are awesome and hopefully I will try to blog my venture into infinity!

So excited!

Welcome to the obsession can... not... wait for... new monthly... releases....

I know right!?! I am dying to find out what is going to be released next aside from the Order Sgt that was shown off by Beast of War last week??

I just wish the warstore would get the Caledonian Starter in as well as the main game books so I could feel more complete...I know the rules are free, I am just dying for the artwork and fluff!!

Just got the main rule book, and it is friggin' amazing! I know you can get it free, but it's well worth owning !

We just got the rules and starter boxes (I personally got both rule books and a nomad and yu-jing starter) at my LFGS. I demoed a bunch of games this past Friday and Saturday. Everyone that tried it loves it and i hope to grow the interest even more!! LOVE THIS GAME!!

Grrrrr....The war store is still out of stock for both rule books and the Caladonian Starter & Wallace!!! I just want to get the rest of my stuff...so sad...sniff...sniff....

Order it still. Warstore has their store setup so that if you order something that is out of stock they won't bill you till they get it in stock, but the second they get it in they will bill you and send it. Basically like preordering, jsut with delayed billing. They restock seemingly every week so it's a surefire way to get what you want the fastest means possible.

Cool...I'll try that...

Wednesday nights are my Infinity night, yay!

A sneak peak at my fun for tonight... shhhhh


NOMADS
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Grupo 1 (Reg: 9/Irr: 1):

INTRUDER HMG, Grenades / Pistol, CCW
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain

INTRUDER (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, CCW
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain, Lieutenant

2x SPEKTR MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration

PROWLER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, CCW
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Shock Immunity, Multiterrain

ZERO (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Minelayer

HELLCAT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
AD: Combat Jump | Zero-G, V: Courage

HELLCAT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
AD: Combat Jump | Zero-G, V: Courage

ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:13 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1

CHIMERA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Viral CCW
MOV:6-4 CC:18 BS:11 PH:13 WIP:12 ARM:1 BTS:0 STR:1
Natural Born Warrior, I-khol L1, Total Immunity, Climbing Plus

3x PUPNIK DA CCW
MOV:6-4 CC:17 BS:4 PH:13 WIP:10 ARM:0 BTS:0 STR:1
Total Immunity, Climbing Plus, Hyper-Dynamics L3


300 Points | SWC: 6

ARMY CODE: eNozMFQ1UzNUM6wxUzMBkoYQDowyUDMAUaZqQH6NKZhjqmYMEoJIWIIotTwjK2MAPvUP7g== Army Infinity v.3.0.

@Blue Dagger,

With the war store, do they wait till all items are in then ship or do they ship things when they arrive and charge for each time they ship??

I am tempted, but I would hate to place the order now and wait till who knows when for my product to arrive??

Thanks!

Impatient new Infinity player....

I ordered a Nomad and Aleph starter set from Wayland - been studying the rules and hopefully we'll do a demo this weekend.

@Chap- They will ship as things become available.

@Nuc - Wish ya luck

I had a Battle against a new player today. We haven't played against each other before. I was using a sectorial shasvastiis list and he was using generic Yu Jing.

He tricked me like no one has ever tricked in this game before!

When he is deploying his miniatures...
- "Ok, this is my army. Here is a Hsien with HMG, those are Shaolin with chain rifles, this is a Zhanshi Hacker, this is a Celestial guard... and you can see a Guijia over there."
- "Aham... ok. I have here some cammo markers, and this is a Gwailo fireteam... bla bla..."

During the game, one of my miniatures crosses the Line of Fire of the Guijia:
-"Ok, my shasvastii now makes MOVE... any AROs?"
- "No."
- "The Guijia does not make a reaction shot?"
- "Not now."
- "... ? (what is going on here?)..."

Third turn:
- "Ok now I make a combat Jump with a Tiger Soldier here."
- "Wow! you have a lot of cool troops in your list... ahm... wait a minute... 300pts? and you have a Guijia, and a Hsien, and all that stuff?!"
- "(Evil smile)"
- "Wait a minute... why does the Gujia has not performed even a single ARO during the whole... Holoprojector!!! it is a Lu Duan Remote!! Fake TAG!!!!"

We both laughed for a minute. It was a really distracting tactic. The Gujia looks so menacing and it was fake!

LOL you fell for that one hook line and sinker though I think I'd prob fall for that too lol.

I am so Psyched! I started putting together my Galwegians tonight and also placed my order for the main game book, The Caledonian Starter set and Wallace.

Now I will have a 200pt Ariadna army and a 200pt Imperial Service army! I am so psyched! I may start a P&M Blog either here on Dakka or maybe over @ the main Infinity site...

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:I am so Psyched! I started putting together my Galwegians tonight and also placed my order for the main game book, The Caledonian Starter set and Wallace.

Now I will have a 200pt Ariadna army and a 200pt Imperial Service army! I am so psyched! I may start a P&M Blog either here on Dakka or maybe over @ the main Infinity site...

There is a very large shortage of Infinity WIP blogs here on dakka sadly :(

BobbaFett wrote:
- "Wait a minute... why does the Gujia has not performed even a single ARO during the whole... Holoprojector!!! it is a Lu Duan Remote!! Fake TAG!!!!"

I think he made a mistake there - http://infinitythegame.wikispot.org/Holoprojector_L1

The Holoprojector user and the trooper he is disguised as must be the same size

A remote isn't the same size as a TAG, so I don't believe it can impersonate one. Just other remotes.

I used a list with a similar idea against a friend on Friday.

Here is the list I was able to show my opponent
Combat Group 1 Orders: 8 Janissary » Doctor SWC:0.0 Cost:49 Asawira » SpitfireNanopulser SWC:2.0 Cost:59 Hussein Al-Djabel, Hassassin Fiday » Al-Djabel SWC:0.0 Cost:41 Djanbazan » HMG SWC:1.5 Cost:36 Djanbazan » RifleLight Shotgun SWC:0.0 Cost:28 Azra'Il » Feuerbach SWC:1.5 Cost:41 Naffatun » RifleLightFT SWC:0.0 Cost:10 Hassassin Fiday » RifleLight Shotgun SWC:0.0 Cost:33 Total SWC: 5.0 Total Points: 297
Generated with Infinity Pool

and here is what I really had


Combat Group 1 Orders: 10 Hassassin Ragik » HMG SWC:1.5 Cost:38 Hassassin Ragik » HMG SWC:1.5 Cost:38 Hafza » Hafza Lieutenant SWC:0.0 Cost:17 Hafza » Hafza SWC:0.0 Cost:17 Hussein Al-Djabel, Hassassin Fiday » Al-Djabel SWC:0.0 Cost:41 Djanbazan » HMG SWC:1.5 Cost:36 Djanbazan » RifleLight Shotgun SWC:0.0 Cost:28 Azra'Il » Feuerbach SWC:1.5 Cost:41 Naffatun » RifleLightFT SWC:0.0 Cost:10 Hassassin Fiday » RifleLight Shotgun SWC:0.0 Cost:33 Total SWC: 6.0 Total Points: 299
Generated with Infinity Pool

The 2 most expensive heavies were actually Hafza. He found out about the first one of them by running up his lunokhod remote so he could hack the 'heavy'
The 2nd he didn't find out about till he based him with Bran Do Castro.

So, what looked like 297 points and only one legal lieutenant - the Djanbazan rifle guy (come assassinate me!) actually had a hidden lieutenant and two Heavy Machine Gun toting Ragik drop troops

Dirty!

Ahm... I´m going to put here the same post, if a moderator thinks that is not necessary, please, delete it:

Corvus Belli has just updated their website with june's releases:

Djanbazan



Order Sergeant



Reverend Custodiers



Asuras



Skiavoros

*Happy Dance*

Another awesome month from CB.....seriously, these guys are the BEST

Delephont wrote:Another awesome month from CB.....seriously, these guys are the BEST

I don´t know if they are the best, the only thing I can write here completely sure about is that every month this high quality photos, terrain, painting, sulptures bring joy to my heart.
Seriously, I´ll be deppressed if this ends some day.