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One interesting scenario popped up during this weekend's Infinity game.

With the help of my Oniwaban Shinobu and my new MSVL2 drone, I managed to wipe out my opponent's Linked squad...

Thinking that I was on the verge of victory, I went on the offensive, then my opponent did something totally unexpected. He used his Lieutenant order to linked his order monkeys together and counterattack was brutal... The ability to move five Monkeys with a single order and bonuses of +3BS and +1Burst to the link leader is nasty. So watch out for this dirty trick in your future games!

Looks like linked troops are adding a whole new dimension to the game that will take some getting used to!

Alpharius wrote:Looks like linked troops are adding a whole new dimension to the game that will take some getting used to!

Surprisingly enough, the entire Human Sphere expansion's actually changed the game quite a bit, and the addition of Sectorial armies really changes the dynamics of the already distinctive factions. New rules and attributes like "Chain of Command" allows players to be far more aggressive with their Lieutenant and actually using him/her with great effect. That one additional Lt. order can be brutal on an unit like the Oniwaban Shinobu Kitsune. It really changes the dynamics of the game considerably.

please, can you tell me how EXACTLY ist BTS roll made?
is it like normal ARM roll using negative modif (roll - BTS must be more than DMG) ?

It's just like an armour roll. Ignore the negative modifier.

So a BTS of -6 is better to have than a BTS of -3 for example.

Example:
If you're hit by a viral sniper rifle, power 15, attacks BTS, and your BTS is -3 then:
You need to beat 15 to survive.
Armour roll + magnitude of BTS must be > 15 to live
so you need to roll a 13
as
13 + 3 = 16. Which beats 15, and you live.

Except with viral ammo it's two saves for each hit, so you have to do it twice! That's a seperate point though

You use the BTS as a positive number (it's usually a -ve), so a hacker with BTS-3 would have "Armour" 3 (essentially) when hit by a weapon that makes them take BTS rolls.

BTS is your firewall, essentially.

Thanks
but why that "minus" ????
if it would be like ARM, not -3, but just 3, that would be the same, and not so confusing

Alexej Dorianov wrote:Thanks
but why that "minus" ????
if it would be like ARM, not -3, but just 3, that would be the same, and not so confusing

I guess it could be because at the beginning of Infinity, the first Infinity rules, the BTS was almost only used as a negative modifier for hacker attacks.
You know... the Fusilier hacker tries to inmovilize a Hsien, so it will be the fusiliers willpower with the -3 of the Hsien´s BTS.
There was no Viral ammo, that came with the Human Sphere book. I can think only in the Nanopulser that makes the player use his BTS as armor in that first edition.

Aye, I never got that either.

BobbaFett's possible explanation sounds plausible.

Bad translations from Spanish, mainly.
The first edition was full of them.

thank you !
I would use some help with my 300pts Haqqislam army list

Is the H G. Launcher on Maghariba Guard worth those points ?
And if so, is it worth to bring forward observer with it (and if yes, Al Hawa or Hunzakut? )

Actual version of my Army list:

Maghariba Guard - FlameT
Najjarun Engineer (to keep Magh running)
Djanbazan - sniper
Asawira - EXP CCW
Djanbazan - Lieutanant
Hass Fiday - AP mines,AP CCW / Boarding Shotgun, EXP CCW (cant decide:-) )
Hass Ragik - HMG

what bothers me is the lack of Hacker in my army :-/

another version is with
Maghariba guard with H G Launcher
A Hawa Forward Observer (instead of Djanbazan Lieut)
Asawira is Lieutanant
common Ragik (rifle.L shotgun)
+ Muttawih for the spare 6 pts

Wow an infinity thread that I haven't touched that is several pages deep? Gasp!

I really can't help you on Haqq though since I don't know them well to give detailed advise. I will say that I dont' care for the M Guard purely because of it's size. It's a PITA to navigate.

I´m bringing this here because the rant about the GWs changes is fullfilling the News&Rumours sub-forum.

Infinity. May 2011 update.

112, Emergency Service from Ariadna.





Guarda de Assalto from PanOceania





Sr. Massacre, Mercenary





Haramaki With Missile Launcher





Probots

I've a question based on the background, as I've not read any yet, and I've always been interested in throwing in with background plots where possible.

Aurelia is pretty much looking at Haqqislam as her starting force. Do they have a bitter rival, or a more common enemy faction in the background?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I've a question based on the background, as I've not read any yet, and I've always been interested in throwing in with background plots where possible.

Aurelia is pretty much looking at Haqqislam as her starting force. Do they have a bitter rival, or a more common enemy faction in the background?

As far as I know, the Haqqislam faction is the more peaceful nation in the Infinity setting.

I guess the common known foes here are:

PanOceania Vs. YuJing - Both trying to be the most powerful human faction.
ALEPH Vs. Nomads - Complete opposite filosophy and lifestyles.
ALEPH Vs. Combined Army- Both ruled by sinister A.I.s
Ariadna Vs. Everyone- They claim for independence of their own planet, full of the most valuable natural resources.

Haqqislam has something called "the Silk" which is necessary for all about genetics and cloning stuff in the future. They are traders, and they even have an special army protecting "the Silk route".

Ah nice, thanks, and actually I think Aurelia will like the background for Haqqislam more now, as well as the fact she liked the models. We where partially worried, they'd gone down the 'terrorist' route for a back story.

Means I'm probably go for aggressors after their Silk route, which allows me to pick from any of my three and tailor a plot around my army v's hers.

Many thanks for pausing to reply to my odd query.

Because I respect my fellow dakkites here, I need a little help, and want to hear your facts/opinions on the game.

I am looking to get into Infinity, but two questions... 1) Is there a copy of the rules I can buy, or are the rules all downloadable? 2) Also, is there a source book, or something, for each faction that lists their fluff, units, etc? 3) Lastly, what is a good sized game for someone to learn the game with, like, how many models/points would a beginner need to get into the game? I am looking to buy figures for me and a mate, and would like to know what to get to make that happen for our first games.

Thank you for your help. I am really really interested in getting into this game (after dumping 40k after 23 years of supporting it).

- edit -

Found some answers

Revised question... What is the difference between the free rules you can DL at 53 pages, and the hard cover 2nd edition rule book at 200+ pages?

Hello, Buffo.

BuFFo wrote:1) Is there a copy of the rules I can buy, or are the rules all downloadable?

You can Download the complete PDF rules for free in the official Infinity website.Use this link.

You can also download the PDF Quickstart Rules made by Beasts of War.

2) Also, is there a source book, or something, for each faction that lists their fluff, units, etc?

You can buy the rulebooks. Infinity has TWO rulebooks.
The First one, Infinity the Game, contains all the fluff from all the factions, all the rules and army lists.


The Second Book, Infinity: Human Sphere, is an expansion. It includes new troops, fluff and rules for all the existing armies, it brings the sectorial armies and a brand new army: ALEPH


EDIT
The difference between the books and the free PDF is that... the free rules are just the strictly necesary for playing, the books come with art and fluff. The infinity background is very detailed, some factions are much more than the miniatures. Its HUGE.

3) Lastly, what is a good sized game for someone to learn the game with, like, how many models/points would a beginner need to get into the game? I am looking to buy figures for me and a mate, and would like to know what to get to make that happen for our first games.

I´ll recommend you both to buy starter packs, they come with 6 miniatures and that is enough for the first games, around 125 pts. Tournament games are about 250-300pts wich are usually 10-16 miniatures.
There are plenty of starter packs in the Infinity range, usually two per faction.
I´ll recommend using the quickstart rules and starter packs for beginning.

Also... Beasts of War made an awesome Infinity themed week and they made videos showing the rules system.

Yeah, I'll be most def. getting the hardcover Books then. I need my fluff and army descriptions dammit!

Thank you very much for taking your time and helping me out with that detailed post. I am looking to buy two starting armies for me and anyone in my area to use so we can start an Infinity club in my local area.

I'm diggin the look of Infinity, but I have no idea where to start. Any pointers? I'm looking for a force that has a lot of those mech type things and can field them well.

Puscifer wrote:I'm diggin the look of Infinity, but I have no idea where to start. Any pointers? I'm looking for a force that has a lot of those mech type things and can field them well.

That sounds like you would like the ALEPH starter pack.



It is the A.I. themed army, full of robots, artificial bodys and HiTech. They usually are expensive troops, so you will probably will have a 10 miniature army at 300pts. The startter pack comes with 6 minis, 175pts.

Just a warning though ALEPH is a newer faction, so it doesn't have the wide range of options that some of the other factions have. All factions except Ariadna can go mech as well just not to the extent of the all AI ALEPH.

Wow, with all the crap GW coming forth from them (price increase, switch to resin amongst other stuff.) I am seriously thinking about jumping over to Infinity.

My only issue is which army to buy?

I like Ariadna, both the Merovingian and Caledonian sectorals as well as Yu Jing and PanOceania (Military order and maybe the Acontecimento). Aleph is also pretty sweet.

If I went with the Merovingian's, I would want to include Mirage 5, if I go with the Caledonian's I would want William Wallace in there...

With Yu Jing, I would want the Oniwaban Ninja, cause he looks so boss, but I am not sure if I should go with a link team of Keisotsu's or Haramaki's? I wish they would release the O-Yori tag...sigh...

For PanOceania, I would mostly go with Military order sectoral filled with Magister knights and Order Sgts.

Does it matter which starter I pick? Are they pretty well balanced against one another?

Yeah I'm not much on the look of the models for Aleph, they are ok, just not brilliant.

I really like the look of the Nomads and the CA, how do those guys play?

From what I gather the Nomads have a whole Ghost In The Shell theme going on, which is awesome for me as I am a massive GITS fan.

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:Wow, with all the crap GW coming forth from them (price increase, switch to resin amongst other stuff.) I am seriously thinking about jumping over to Infinity.

My only issue is which army to buy?

I like Ariadna, both the Merovingian and Caledonian sectorals as well as Yu Jing and PanOceania (Military order and maybe the Acontecimento). Aleph is also pretty sweet.

If I went with the Merovingian's, I would want to include Mirage 5, if I go with the Caledonian's I would want William Wallace in there...

With Yu Jing, I would want the Oniwaban Ninja, cause he looks so boss, but I am not sure if I should go with a link team of Keisotsu's or Haramaki's? I wish they would release the O-Yori tag...sigh...

For PanOceania, I would mostly go with Military order sectoral filled with Magister knights and Order Sgts.

Does it matter which starter I pick? Are they pretty well balanced against one another?

After 23 years, I left GW. I have gotten back into WarmaHordes and getting into Infinity.

I ordered both Hard Cover rule books and the starter forces for the Haqqislam and Yu Jing.

I already have a few friends interested in the game, so we'll see what happens once I paint up the models and get them in some games.

For me this is a fresh start. I am dumping out the power gamer in my and leaving it back in 40k, and playing Infinity as I would if I was a young gamer, for fun with narrative story lines.

I just want to say this here as well: I need opponents for infinity! Anywhere in the London area, I'm in South London myself, just bought some nomads and need to try them out.

I've painted a prowler and a zero so far, really cool models, very different from 40k. Painting 2 intruders right now. I'll try to take some pictures in a few days.

right starting up infinity (might hear alot of that now )

is this an OK list for a beginner,

ACONTECIMENTO SHOCK ARMY
GROUP 1 (Regs: 8/Irrs: 0):

KNIGHT OF MONTESA Lt. Combi Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW (46 | 1)

3x REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife (10)

REGULAR Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife (15 | 1)

BAGH-MARI Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (18)

BAGH-MARI Combi Rifle+ Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (22)

REGULAR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife (17 | 1)


148 Points | SWC: 3

What is the table size/playing area that Infinity uses? I assume 48"x60"?

@ Buff - Usually 48"x48"

@Ninja - It'll be a little complicated for a first list, but at least you are at 150 pts.

Postie brought me a lovely new box of goodies this morning. First step into a new system.