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BobbaFett wrote:

Delephont wrote:Another awesome month from CB.....seriously, these guys are the BEST

I don´t know if they are the best, the only thing I can write here completely sure about is that every month this high quality photos, terrain, painting, sulptures bring joy to my heart.
Seriously, I´ll be deppressed if this ends some day.

When it comes to Sci-Fi miniatures anyway, I think you can be fairly confident that they are the best! They've won TTG's Sci-Fi mini of the year 3 years in a row now, and I wouldn't bet against them making it four!

Is the Skiavoros in the Shasvastii sectorial?

Or is it just a general Combined unit?

Skiavoros is only in the vanilla lists. They are in the same boat as things like the Avatar and Anthematics that are the direct servants to the EI.

Quick rules question! For different things that make you take multiple ARM rolls (like DA and EXP ammo), does the model take a wound for each ARM roll they fail? or is it just multiple attempts to take 1 wound?

Thanks!

A wound for each failed armour roll. So an explosive round can cause 3 wounds with one hit.

Remember that with most forms of ammo a single wound only makes you unconcious, so doing more than one wound with a single hit can be useful even against single wound models - no healing them. It also does a nice job on Dogged and No Wound Incapacitation.

Ah! Thank you for the answer!

Again, Infinity is an awesome game!!!!!

Haha yeah multiple saves = possibly more then one wound. However this is usually counter balanced that these types of ammos have less shots then some other special weapons, thus FtF rolls get harder in your reactive phase. Without a linked team bonus a Missile launcher is only one shot... but god help you if it lands.

I finally received my order the other day! The main Rule book, which is incredible! I love the layout, the feel the new book smell! I also received the Caladonian Starter and Wallace as well. I have to file/sand one more Caladonian Volunteer with Rifle and my Ariadna force is done.

The Imperial Service starter still needs some work, I tackled the tougher 2 miniatures first, The Pheasant Agent and the Hsien. I still have the Wu Ming and 4 Celestial guards to put together, then it's time to try the game out! When I get the miniatures all assembled, I'll try to do a blog here on Dakka as well as on the main Infinity boards.

Am I the only person who thinks Linked units are the most under utilized and most broken thing in the game? My usual list looks like this
HASSASSIN BAHRAM
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 10/Irrs: 0):

FARZAN Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife (32)
MOV:4-4 CC:15 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Religious Troop, Chain of Command

3x MUYIB Rifle + Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (25 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:15 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Religious Troop, V: Dogged

MUYIB Doctor Rifle + Light Shotgun, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife (27)
MOV:4-4 CC:15 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Religious Troop, V: Dogged, Doctor

MUYIB Lieutenant Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and Smoke Ammo.) / Pistol, Knife (23 | 1.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:15 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
Religious Troop, V: Dogged, Lieutenant

RAGIK HMG / Pistol, CCW (38 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
AD: Combat Jump, V: Dogged, Religious Troop

LASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife (29 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:2 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable
CH: Mimetism, Climbing Plus, Religious Troop, X Visor

FIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW (34)
MOV:4-4 CC:17 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L3, Basic Impersonation, Religious Troop

AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW (41)
MOV:4-4 CC:18 BS:12 PH:13 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
Martial Arts L4, Basic Impersonation, Religious Troop


299 Points | SWC: 6

ARMY CODE: eNozMVI1VjNQM6wxwUKagkkzIAlkAUkzMGmhZgQkDQ1AigC7yg30 Army Infinity v.3.0.

All my Muyibs Linked and a HMG the bring the pain

Skittiez wrote:Am I the only person who thinks Linked units are the most under utilized and most broken thing in the game?

That's most peoples initial reaction to them. They're not imbalanced though, you just need to know how to deal with them.

That's born out by the fact that the factions and sectorials are so balanced in the tournament results.

Yeah, linked teams are hella scary till you figure out their weaknesses.


Active Turn - Fire at an angle to the link leader that only provokes and ARO from him, once he is down the linked team is back to just a bunch of guys.

Reactive Turn - You can only fire with the linked leader, and while he has an increased burst and sometimes a +3 BS, he can still be taken down just like all the other nasties.

See i thought In the reactive turn all models of the linked team got an aro

They do, but if you fire out of LoF of the others then you prevent them from doing so. If you fire from the rear the one that gets shot at can react thanks to Sixth Sense level 2 but not the rest.

Typically though you can use a sniper or HMG to get a clean shot from the side of a building or terrain to just see the one or maybe two targets you want to fire at. Typically it's rather hard to have all 3-5 members of a link team in cover facing upfield without either bunching up or really exposing yourself.

If you use long range weapons too vs, say, a multi-rifle or combi rifle you can try to use range to mitigate the risk by goign for your +3 range while their -3 or -6 range.

ok so i wasn't Crazy lol

Templates are the enemy of linked teams. Once they've faces a boarding shotgun or a grenade or two etc. people soon realise they're not all they're cracked up to be and aren't as broken as people initially think. Like everything in Infinity the reward is equal to the risk and thats why we all love it so much.

My personal means of dealing with them is...

Cheerleader linked teams - Shoot them at long range where they will typically have a penalty on top of their typically bad BS
Heavy Infantry linked teams - Hack the bejesus out of them

Another fun thing to remember is when they declare an order only the leader can shoot, so if he declares shoot then ignore the leader to just shoot a shot at each of his helpless buddies

BlueDagger wrote:

Another fun thing to remember is when they declare an order only the leader can shoot, so if he declares shoot then ignore the leader to just shoot a shot at each of his helpless buddies

THAT is the biggest downside to linked teams, usually...

Yep, that is why you have to remember that a Link Team is not an "uberorz roll up field eat face" but rather a means to get guys from point A to point B order efficiently while boosting their means to hold said point B.

Thanks BlueDagger again for a really useful advice

Got my ass kicked last night by a Magister Knights linked team - I hacked one of them, flamed a few, but because they got 2 wounds it's really hard to kill.

(remember in the main forum that I was asking about f2f roll with E/M grenade launcher - I shot, I missed :( )

Next time I'll try your techniques

- take down the leader
- ARO shoot their useless team members (so if they dodge, cool, can't shoot me back)

HI linked teams in particular I love to face being the Nomad I am. Markers and a hacker REALLY jack with them.

Do you guys have any pointers for someone about to start playing Combined? I've downloaded all the lists (normal and Human Sphere), but I've yet to develop an intuitive feel for how a unit will perform or how it needs to be played just by looking at it's stats alone.

Thanks in advance!

Ah I play CA too so here is a few observation
CA is expensive, very very expensive, and so you have little model count
Don't count on armor value, Morat PHY can compensate for for that by well dodging, Shavaasti can vomit larvae or have no wound incap/Auto Medi
CA unless in sectorial have no linkable troop

The Starter Box is good, replace the Malignos with another Morat, and the Charontid with the yet unreleased Sogarat, and walaa a Morat Sectorial list

For Unit, you want to take a look on
-Equipment (HMG is good)
-CC/BS either one , these will be the primary function
-WIP for your lietunant
-Armor
-Wound/STR
-PHY (to do stuff , like climb, dodge)

Retrias wrote:Ah I play CA too so here is a few observation
CA is expensive, very very expensive, and so you have little model count
Don't count on armor value, Morat PHY can compensate for for that by well dodging, Shavaasti can vomit larvae or have no wound incap/Auto Medi
CA unless in sectorial have no linkable troop

The Starter Box is good, replace the Malignos with another Morat, and the Charontid with the yet unreleased Sogarat, and walaa a Morat Sectorial list

For Unit, you want to take a look on
-Equipment (HMG is good)
-CC/BS either one , these will be the primary function
-WIP for your lietunant
-Armor
-Wound/STR
-PHY (to do stuff , like climb, dodge)

Thank you kindly. I was afraid someone was going to mention Morat. I really don't care for the models at all (Kurgat, Yaogat etc. are cool though). Guess I could just bypass that by using another ***gat unit as a proxy for them. I'll most likely never attend an official tourney/gamesday or whatever anyway.

Inanimate wrote:

Thank you kindly. I was afraid someone was going to mention Morat. I really don't care for the models at all (Kurgat, Yaogat etc. are cool though). Guess I could just bypass that by using another ***gat unit as a proxy for them. I'll most likely never attend an official tourney/gamesday or whatever anyway.

Don't worry, the Shasvasti are better anyways.

How is so?, sure if you like stealth instead of Brute Force Shavaasti is better, butif you like the opposite, the Morat is way better, Shavaasti have little in terms of staying power

Everyone always underestimates Morat, till they dance on your face. In our 16 player tourney last Sat Morat Aggression took second.

Retrias wrote:How is so?, sure if you like stealth instead of Brute Force Shavaasti is better, butif you like the opposite, the Morat is way better, Shavaasti have little in terms of staying power

Thats way, staying power dosen't matter if they never shot get to shot back. Plus I like the model line better, then the old stand by of talking Apes. Then with the new Planet of the Apes coming out, there going to be enough flithy ape running around.

So the old standby of "insect like aliens" doesn't matter to you? So you are saying that in every game you will never be shot at .....

Retrias wrote:So the old standby of "insect like aliens" doesn't matter to you? So you are saying that in every game you will never be shot at .....

Wow, take things a little serious do you. I also feild a all Morat force aswell as my all Shasvast force. I was responding to someone saying the dislike most of the Morat force, and having a little fun. Maybe a sense of humor, is need here.

The latest Morat miniatures are way better than the first ones. CB should keep the mask in all the upcoming Morat units. They just look cooler when masked, because the baboon faces are not attractive.

By the way, I do not like the Morats as a competitive Army. IMHO they are the worst army.
Their skirmisher, Zerat, is the worst infiltrating unit.
Their para-troop, Rasyat, is too expensive in points cost to risk him with a combat jump.
Their line troop is expensive.
Sure they have some important points with their racial rules and good fireteams, but... If I go to a tournament with the ambition of winning... I will not use Morats.