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This thread actually has some great examples well thought out points backed by facts and statistics that nice to see in the hellpit of dakka off-topic.

I think that there obviously has to be government control of things like the police force, military, roads etc. and in my opinion health care. but the basic core of the economy should allow for private competition. unfortunetly there is very little competition it is a few companies that have a monopoly over there sector. there is no room for th little guy.

youbedead wrote:This thread actually has some great examples well thought out points backed by facts and statistics that nice to see in the hellpit of dakka off-topic.

I think that there obviously has to be government control of things like the police force, military, roads etc. and in my opinion health care. but the basic core of the economy should allow for private competition. unfortunetly there is very little competition as China keeps buying up small chunks of the US at a time. there is no room for th little guy.

Fixed your typo.

Fateweaver wrote:

youbedead wrote:This thread actually has some great examples well thought out points backed by facts and statistics that nice to see in the hellpit of dakka off-topic.

I think that there obviously has to be government control of things like the police force, military, roads etc. and in my opinion health care. but the basic core of the economy should allow for private competition. unfortunetly there is very little competition as China keeps buying up small chunks of the US at a time. there is no room for th little guy.

Fixed your typo.

You know what's funny? If government regulated business didn't work they wouldn't have the money to do that.

reds8n wrote:

....err..... so, without being rude, how exactly do you think things like exchange rates, interest rates, monetary production etc etc should be controlled/set then ? As soon as you move into the realm of international finance/business the Govt. has to be involved.

I hate to be a buzzkill, but in most areas, exchange rates are set by the market.
Interest rates are generally set by the market. When state banks try to manipulate too much, the market shifts out of phase. This is occurring now.
Monetary policy is set by the government, but its impact is not set by the government.

Much international regulation of finance is actually set by the bankers and affirmed by the central banks/regulatory entities if at all, later. Basell II. The Swiss skiers strike back!

All of which is regulated by the Govt.


Interest rates are set, over here, mainly by the BoE which, effectively, is controlled by the Chancellor/ at least his policies. You can only have exchange rates when a currency is "proven" to be viable and secure (ie it's not all fake ) which, astonishingly enough, is done by the Govt.

Who actually produces/prints the money.. the mint which is etc etc etc.

reds8n wrote: All of which is regulated by the Govt.


Interest rates are set, over here, mainly by the BoE which, effectively, is controlled by the Chancellor/ at least his policies. You can only have exchange rates when a currency is "proven" to be viable and secure (ie it's not all fake ) which, astonishingly enough, is done by the Govt.

Who actually produces/prints the money.. the mint which is etc etc etc.

Red, er, this is my business.
-You're mistaking certain rates set by the central bank of INSERT COUNTRY as THE interest rate. It aint.
-Several authoritarian governments try to peg their currency to other currencies with varying success. Central bnanks also try to influence it. But the joy of arbitrage sets the actual trade on a trade by trade basis.

We can have a nice involved discussion later I have to get a deal out this morning and go to two bank meetings with some fellow evil bankers. We'll smoke illegal Cuban cigars lit with a diversified portfolio of $100, E100, and BP100 notes. Hurray!

..not inside you won't !

Yea, I went off to get coffee and started thinking about it. There's many different interest rates, in each developed country. Each country has its own mix. Government and private intereact here to create official rates, unofficial rates, different rates by interest product blah blah, and thats just the US. I should say you are right in that government has some part in it, depending on the rate and country (like everything I guess). Whats interesting is the little things, like the US corporate market bank lending is driven by London interest rates for homes... LIBOR YOU ARE MY MASTER COMMAND ME!!!!


You're litereally talking multiple fields and degrees to discuss. unfortunately all of them are way more itneresting than looking at an app for an acquisition yndication (meh bored bored). But then again we're talking about ian industry talking about Revolving Term Loans (how do Term loans revolve? Ah young Padiwon let us tell tales of the death of Kings, er CFOs...)

I'm losing it and its not even 7.30Am

.. we'll make socialists of you all yet.

..it's 13:15 here and everyone is wacked out as we put the clocks forward 1 hour yesterday as it is *stares at rain clouds outside* "British Summer Time".

True to form some areas are forecast possible snow later in the week. See, other countries have a climate we have weather !

If only we lived in Spain, then we could take the next 4 hours off to have a nap.

Not to mention take pretty much all the money out of the EU that the UK puts in... now that is real socialism!

FITZZ wrote:

sebster wrote:

Ketara wrote:Depending on your ideology, you get a specific girl:-



Which ideology do you want now?

What is this and how do we get more?

Exactly what faction do I need to join to "allie" with the blonde in the berret & the two brunettes in "pleather"?

Congratulations! All three of those are the Soviet Union! Welcome to Mother Russia fellow communist!

Frazzled wrote:Red, er, this is my business.
-You're mistaking certain rates set by the central bank of INSERT COUNTRY as THE interest rate. It aint.
-Several authoritarian governments try to peg their currency to other currencies with varying success. Central bnanks also try to influence it. But the joy of arbitrage sets the actual trade on a trade by trade basis.

You know what sucks? When Fraz is right. Fortunately it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Frazz right - third sign of the End Times? You be the judge.

What were the first two signs?

The first was Frazzled agreeing with Dogma.
The second was Frazzled agreeing with Sebster.
The fourth and final sign?
Frazzled agreeing with Shumagorath.
Then the sun shall dim and a horde of hellbeasts will descend.

Aren't there seven signs?

And would that mean Frazzled, Dogma, Sebster, and Shumagorath are the four horsemen?

Who gets to be Pestilence?

My wieners dogs. their breath would make nurgle upchuck.

Four Horsemen of Off-Topicalypse:

Sebster as Conquest
Dogma as Famine
Shuma as War
Frazzled as Death(since he's got one foot in the grave already, what with being old )

Frazzled wrote:My wieners dogs. their breath would make nurgle upchuck.

OH NOES! HERE DEY COME!

Quickly men, prepare your secret weapons:





Ready, aim, DEVOUR!

Have to disagree with most of the above posters from the UK. Socialism has been dead in the UK since 1983. During Blair's rise to the top within the labour party, key pledges were abandoned and the party increasingly shifted from the left to Centre/Right.

To the American posters: Having just finished Early American history modules, you see in the early days of the colonies with the Puritan communities a reliance on each other as they build settlements and establish trade networks. Also due to vast distances between farms/villages etc there was a lot of dependance on each other for selling goods and doctors and midwives going from village to village helping people, and social mobility, as people went looking for work opportunities. Also, pre-revolution Philadelphia was a world leader in providing poor relief for the impovirished and for creating funds for the jobless and those who lost limbs in the 7 years wars. This early form of 'socialism' if you could call it that, is in the American DNA as it were. Maybe something changed much later? Attitudes or policy perhaps. Would be interested to hear some comments on it.

Which colonies? if you believe that I want what you're smoking.

The puritans in Massachusetts, the quakers in Pennsylvania are good examples of what I was referring to.

Da Boss wrote:The first was Frazzled agreeing with Dogma.
The second was Frazzled agreeing with Sebster.
The fourth and final sign?
Frazzled agreeing with Shumagorath.
Then the sun shall dim and a horde of hellbeasts will descend.

pombe wrote:Aren't there seven signs?

And would that mean Frazzled, Dogma, Sebster, and Shumagorath are the four horsemen?

Who gets to be Pestilence?

I did agree with Shuma as well in this thread, *shudder*. I think I even agreed with sebster somewhere back there. Thats got to be at least two signs there. With all these people criticizing those militia folks in Michigan, you'd think they'd be seeing the obvious signs. If we keep agreeing like this in the OT forum, I think we'll make reality crack. We need to start bickering pronto!

BTW I want the brunette on the far left, she looks like a naughty capatalist! I'd like to be her private healthcare provider.