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Erasoketa wrote:I will when I come up with something worthy xD

Why? Nobody else holds themselves to this standard.

Acually, how do my fellow Strats player think we all perform?

I can't believe no one is posting after me ( happen last day..).

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:I will when I come up with something worthy xD

Why? Nobody else holds themselves to this standard.

Speak for yourself.

*relaxes on high horse*

This thread is now reserved for talk about Game One.

And new thread regarding Game Two is available here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/303013.page#1709998

Please try to stay on-topic in that thread.

That is, argue and whine here as much as you want.

Moved from game-thread:



1hadhq wrote:But my point was to keep it believable and somehow fitting to the background of the chosen army.

Your story had 2 issues:
-psi used against the followers of khorne ( who are either too mad to care or too resilient due to their patron)
and a weapon to bind souls,without a pommelstone but a soulstone ( so empty socket or not? go go goto?)
-it was aimed to paint a character as silly little minion, where your own was the superior "know it all".
Lets imagine a player is upset enough to cast your character down next game without a single word.
Silence is a sharper weapon than lenghty OT fluff...

I don't think you need a reason to fight another army from a previous game.
OTOH a supporter of the IoM has a legendary amount of reasons to oppose anyone.
But chaos? they only care for themselves, so your "reason" of a single lost character is lost to any chaos player (except its owner)fromstart.


FF wrote:
1)The operative term hear is chosen armies not army. Your use of the singular in light of the rest of your post denotes a bias. Hard to accept input from biased undividuals.
2)So Khorne rage makes CSM's immune to psychic powers? I missed that in the codex. You must be reading a codex by Goto.
3)Read up on direswords and spirit/soul stones. It is not a far stretch from where GW has them and my creative use. You act as if the use of a new idea is a sin when it was just a story idea. (Iget your point, I wrote it so you don't like it. I'll live.)
4)It was aimed to paint the character in the same light that its author had portrayed his opponents.(Really, are we going down this road again? Sometimes it really feels like you try to hold me to a different standard just to create an argument.)
5)You may not think people need a reason but GW disagrees as is evident in the various fluff rivalries across their publications.
6)If the individual does not matter to chaos then why waste time to corrupt them and then to repeatedly retrieve these individuals? Seems like Chaos targets Individuals more than the common-folk, at least the way GW writes them.



1) Call it bias as much you want, its not. Your usage of "hear" instead of here and "undividuals" instead of individuals could be seen as misspelling , but I simply accept it as typos as I am aware of the US-keyboard layout.

2) Berserkers easy to maniplate with psi powers are as fluffy as world eaters librarians are common. The berserker they are based on were
immune to any psychic influence in their rage and Khorne is protecting his minions from the sorcery of his freind tzentch.
To set the background on ignore doesn't work. Plus, you cant blame Goto for everything.

3) What? A sin? Fine lets declare you heretic and send in the Inquisition...
Did critzie your execution of your idea and your point of c-s-goto style...so no, you can't have a sword without a x but still y when x+y would be a) in the same place, b) are the same thing also. Remember the land/razor/raider/backs ? Transformers and 40k =

4) No, you get the same standard. But i add your own "goes all emo if he feels wronged" comment to my consideration of a reply to your posts. "Threats" like these comments are to funny to miss.

5) GW's thougths are usually misinterpreted, like page 2 of the brb, on intend. They throw out "reasons to fight" for the unimaginative as they aim for everyones wallet and not at the minority of capable fluff writers.

6) Individuals are easier to corrupt than whole communitys at once. They are tools, and they may get some motivation from the offered gifts. But chaos itself would not try to retrieve one of the demons, power hungry cultists would, and those only to reap a reward.
Therefore, no reason for any chaos player to claim that creature, as: plays different fraction of chaos, has its own creature, isn't the one that lost this creature, always fights eldar as s/he should as follower of the warp-denizens, fights the eldar player in general and does not need a chaos based reason, shall i go on?

You may write what you please, and I / we may decide to critcise as I / we please too.
Seems there was an unspoken competition of fluff in game one and I beleive the audience should be the ones to praise or damn.
At the end of the game preferably.

Leave the miscommunication to us foreigners and solve the issues when they appear, in this thread.

1hadhq wrote:1) Call it bias as much you want, its not. Your usage of "hear" instead of here and "undividuals" instead of individuals could be seen as misspelling , but I simply accept it as typos as I am aware of the US-keyboard layout.

2) Berserkers easy to maniplate with psi powers are as fluffy as world eaters librarians are common. The berserker they are based on were
immune to any psychic influence in their rage and Khorne is protecting his minions from the sorcery of his freind tzentch.
To set the background on ignore doesn't work. Plus, you cant blame Goto for everything.

3) What? A sin? Fine lets declare you heretic and send in the Inquisition...
Did critzie your execution of your idea and your point of c-s-goto style...so no, you can't have a sword without a x but still y when x+y would be a) in the same place, b) are the same thing also. Remember the land/razor/raider/backs ? Transformers and 40k =

4) No, you get the same standard. But i add your own "goes all emo if he feels wronged" comment to my consideration of a reply to your posts. "Threats" like these comments are to funny to miss.

5) GW's thougths are usually misinterpreted, like page 2 of the brb, on intend. They throw out "reasons to fight" for the unimaginative as they aim for everyones wallet and not at the minority of capable fluff writers.

6) Individuals are easier to corrupt than whole communitys at once. They are tools, and they may get some motivation from the offered gifts. But chaos itself would not try to retrieve one of the demons, power hungry cultists would, and those only to reap a reward.
Therefore, no reason for any chaos player to claim that creature, as: plays different fraction of chaos, has its own creature, isn't the one that lost this creature, always fights eldar as s/he should as follower of the warp-denizens, fights the eldar player in general and does not need a chaos based reason, shall i go on?

You may write what you please, and I / we may decide to critcise as I / we please too.
Seems there was an unspoken competition of fluff in game one and I beleive the audience should be the ones to praise or damn.
At the end of the game preferably.

Leave the miscommunication to us foreigners and solve the issues when they appear, in this thread.

1)Yay, I made some typos. Perfect excuse to dodge giving a full answer. BTW, thank you for understanding the keyboard issues. My large hands on tiny keyboard no work much so good.

IMO, there is a bias on your part. Maybe its that you never miss a chance to debate the opposite POV from mine that leads me to believe this, maybe it is because I have yet to see you deliver a critque upon any others in-game commentary. When I see you offer up unsolicited critique to someome other than JHDD or myself I might take what you say a bit more seriously. Until then I'll chuckle until you say something that makes me .

2)Show me in game where World Eaters have a natural immunity to the effects of the Shadowseers Veil of Tears, a Warlocks Destructor or a Farseers Mindwar. You won't find such because they are lobotomized simpiltons that will fall on their own swords if they don't have an opponent to fight. Yes the surgery is "supposed to make them into killing machines. The brain is also known for incredible elasticity(medical term) where one part takes up the duties of damaged or missing parts. I chose to have the Farseer manipulate the berserkers. BTW, Tzeench is known to use of the beserkers "simplified minds" to misdirect them.

3)I am sorry that the concept of a dire blade that has an empty spirit stone set into the pommel. The stone and blade have been preparred to receive a spirit. I just took a bit of artistic license in describing how the Spirit was instilled into the stone. I went with the route that a Seer could do such. If your going to criticize, then do so about the fact that I used a Farseer to do it rather than a spiritseer. I was going to have several there but the story was already running long. I'm glad I didn't waste the effort.

4) Funny you use the term emo, been getting that vibe off of you for a while. Tell the truth, you wear girls jeans and have a Donald Trump Combover for a hair style.

5) Yeah, BRB is not what I was talking about, Sparky. Many codices have contained sections about the reasons why certain factions fight. Look in the Inquisition ones.
Also, Its answers like this that give me the impression that you just want to argue with me. You in effect agree with what I said yet managed to still make it an argument.

6)Really, a group of petty vengeful gods constantly looking to embarass and one up each other would not track down a rivals pet to use against their master? Here we will just have to disagree.

Funny, you viewed the fluff as a competition. I saw it as a way to bait to chase after me in order to provide relief to my allies. That and the Ork stuff was pretty funny.

Aww, why should you guys get all of the fun.

focusedfire wrote:
1)Yay, I made some typos. Perfect excuse to dodge giving a full answer. BTW, thank you for understanding the keyboard issues. My large hands on tiny keyboard no work much so good.

IMO, there is a bias on your part. Maybe its that you never miss a chance to debate the opposite POV from mine that leads me to believe this, maybe it is because I have yet to see you deliver a critque upon any others in-game commentary. When I see you offer up unsolicited critique to someome other than JHDD or myself I might take what you say a bit more seriously. Until then I'll chuckle until you say something that makes me .

2)Show me in game where World Eaters have a natural immunity to the effects of the Shadowseers Veil of Tears, a Warlocks Destructor or a Farseers Mindwar. You won't find such because they are lobotomized simpiltons that will fall on their own swords if they don't have an opponent to fight. Yes the surgery is "supposed to make them into killing machines. The brain is also known for incredible elasticity(medical term) where one part takes up the duties of damaged or missing parts. I chose to have the Farseer manipulate the berserkers. BTW, Tzeench is known to use of the beserkers "simplified minds" to misdirect them.

3)I am sorry that the concept of a dire blade that has an empty spirit stone set into the pommel. The stone and blade have been preparred to receive a spirit. I just took a bit of artistic license in describing how the Spirit was instilled into the stone. I went with the route that a Seer could do such. If your going to criticize, then do so about the fact that I used a Farseer to do it rather than a spiritseer. I was going to have several there but the story was already running long. I'm glad I didn't waste the effort.

4) Funny you use the term emo, been getting that vibe off of you for a while. Tell the truth, you wear girls jeans and have a Donald Trump Combover for a hair style.

5) Yeah, BRB is not what I was talking about, Sparky. Many codices have contained sections about the reasons why certain factions fight. Look in the Inquisition ones.
Also, Its answers like this that give me the impression that you just want to argue with me. You in effect agree with what I said yet managed to still make it an argument.

6)Really, a group of petty vengeful gods constantly looking to embarass and one up each other would not track down a rivals pet to use against their master? Here we will just have to disagree.

Funny, you viewed the fluff as a competition. I saw it as a way to bait to chase after me in order to provide relief to my allies. That and the Ork stuff was pretty funny.

Aww, why should you guys get all of the fun.

1) YAY, its easy to spot when native english posters get upset, as they start to fill their posts with typos...

2) A mind too small to fill with doubts can't be affected with those psi-powers. Sure, you can evade my point with moving from background to game. Now, aim those powers at Kharn and see what happens...

4) thats all you can come up with? Lame.

5) No. Your urge to be right doesn't matter. Point is, GW supports the stance of any army vs any army.
You didn't opt to play eldar and shaman didn't opt to play CSM. Instead both go for SM. SO why again should anyone feel compelled to spin your story further? Would suggest to stick with that choice, as it may get funny when 2 posters have to go along with teamplay.

6) Is there anyone so overconfident to act as "chaos-god"? Still, game 2 has only 1 CSM and the NL aren't interested in demons..

7) Orks are meant to be funny.
But why chase a 10w army if there is a 5w one?
Would guess the ork waagh grinds to a halt pretty soon....

Yay.

@EF: I dunno, I'm happier without having to tell stories, other than making eating noises...

1hadhq wrote:
1) YAY, its easy to spot when native english posters get upset, as they start to fill their posts with typos...

2) A mind too small to fill with doubts can't be affected with those psi-powers. Sure, you can evade my point with moving from background to game. Now, aim those powers at Kharn and see what happens...

4) thats all you can come up with? Lame.

5) No. Your urge to be right doesn't matter. Point is, GW supports the stance of any army vs any army.
You didn't opt to play eldar and shaman didn't opt to play CSM. Instead both go for SM. SO why again should anyone feel compelled to spin your story further? Would suggest to stick with that choice, as it may get funny when 2 posters have to go along with teamplay.

6) Is there anyone so overconfident to act as "chaos-god"? Still, game 2 has only 1 CSM and the NL aren't interested in demons..

7) Orks are meant to be funny.
But why chase a 10w army if there is a 5w one?
Would guess the ork waagh grinds to a halt pretty soon....

1)Not upset, just aging hands on a very small laptop keyboard.

2)Yet we wern't talking about Kharn. Were we? Here, I'll try to help you with your confusion: Look at the word Karn and count the number of letters in it, then look at the word Shamanos and count the number of letters in it. Notice the different number and shape of the letters, That means that they are different.(Is this the kind of response you were looking for in the 4th line up above? )

4)Yes, your Emo comment was lame.

5)At least you admitted that I was right. As far as source material, it doesn't have to be the same individuals, factions or the immediately following game. It is out there for any one to use or alter as a piece of the games backstory.

6) Inquisition or even a certain SM chapter might be interested in such.

7)Yet twice in this game I was able to take the heat off of my allies by use of intentionally arrogant statements that drew the enemy towards my faction.
Yeah the Waughh seems to have lost momentum and with us taking out the Goffs the Alliances will start to shift soon. As things stand we are most likely looking at an end game stalemate. That is because no one will have the necessary damage output to outstrip their opponents ability to reinforce.

focusedfire wrote:
1)Not upset, just aging hands on a very small laptop keyboard.

2)Yet we wern't talking about Kharn. Were we? Here, I'll try to help you with your confusion: Look at the word Karn and count the number of letters in it, then look at the word Shamanos and count the number of letters in it. Notice the different number and shape of the letters, That means that they are different.(Is this the kind of response you were looking for in the 4th line up above? )

4)Yes, your Emo comment was lame.

5)At least you admitted that I was right. As far as source material, it doesn't have to be the same individuals, factions or the immediately following game. It is out there for any one to use or alter as a piece of the games backstory.

6) Inquisition or even a certain SM chapter might be interested in such.

7)Yet twice in this game I was able to take the heat off of my allies by use of intentionally arrogant statements that drew the enemy towards my faction.
Yeah the Waughh seems to have lost momentum and with us taking out the Goffs the Alliances will start to shift soon. As things stand we are most likely looking at an end game stalemate. That is because no one will have the necessary damage output to outstrip their opponents ability to reinforce.

2) Kharn is a valid example of a follower of khorne. Do I have to dig up all the relevant fluff?
IMO, psi vs the minions of one of the other 3 selfproclaimed gods would have a chance to work, maybe if he choose a sorcerer of the TS it could go wrong.

4) Ok 1:1

5) So if I am right to say you intended to be right, does intend equal fact?

6) =I= isnt availble and SM don't bother with immobile demons.

7) Youre interpreting the game to your liking, as far as I am involved you've had no endangered ally. There was a "swap" of 2vs2 and those
deciding to stay and fight may go down because they keep on. 4 KIA. Maybe the playfield should shrink over time to throw the runners
into the fight.

The stalemate we could agree upon, but I don't see a solution without dropping/reducing reinforce and rebalancing attacks/wounds.

Actually, John has the best chance to eat them all ( until his dinner decides to run... )

1hadhq wrote:2) Kharn is a valid example of a follower of khorne. Do I have to dig up all the relevant fluff?
IMO, psi vs the minions of one of the other 3 selfproclaimed gods would have a chance to work, maybe if he choose a sorcerer of the TS it could go wrong.

5) So if I am right to say you intended to be right, does intend equal fact?

6) =I= isnt availble and SM don't bother with immobile demons.

7) Youre interpreting the game to your liking, as far as I am involved you've had no endangered ally. There was a "swap" of 2vs2 and those
deciding to stay and fight may go down because they keep on. 4 KIA. Maybe the playfield should shrink over time to throw the runners
into the fight.

2)Operative term in your reply is IMO. We will just leave it there because we are unlikely to move from our opinion to anothers.

5)When I'm right it does. I can't believe you fell for that.

6)=I= is not available yet and as th SM's you can only speak for a chapter you would run.

7)No need for interpreter, Ich canst sprechen ien bissen duetch. Ok, maybe we do need an interpreter. Just make sure its a barmaid mitt zwei boot Dopplebock, bitte.
As far as the alliances go, twice I distracted units that if they had stayed at Ultramar we would be down an IG faction currently. But then you weren't privy to those PM's.

Maybe shrink the field, but will require complete rework of damage and reinforce tables. Will also require math formula to determine when the table shrinks and by how much. I think it may become overly complicated yp attempt such.

focusedfire wrote:

7)No need for interpreter, Ich canst sprechen ien bissen duetch. Ok, maybe we do need an interpreter. Just make sure its a barmaid mitt zwei boot Dopplebock, bitte.
As far as the alliances go, twice I distracted units that if they had stayed at Ultramar we would be down an IG faction currently. But then you weren't privy to those PM's.

Maybe shrink the field, but will require complete rework of damage and reinforce tables. Will also require math formula to determine when the table shrinks and by how much. I think it may become overly complicated to attempt such.

7) 2x doppelbock? Would assume you weren't alone

Dunno, everyone happily chased eldar...
IG wasn't in danger as too many jumped on the reinforce bandwagon. Cadia' s hiding for a week without beeing hit should hint at
the absence of a plan to hit the IG.

A shrink isn't so complicated. Tie it to turns and number of active players. If people tarry too long, the shrinking field will bring them closer...
Example: start = 7 worlds / 15 players. Turn 10 = >10 players = shrink 1. Turn 15 > 8 = shrink 2. Turn 20 > 5 players = shrink 3.

Would like to have a motivation to choose a decisive fight inbuilt, as running away in the end will guarantee a draw.

@JohnDD: I was saying "Yay." as in "Yay I can't be bothered to read this crap so I'm off to help myself to some Scotch."

We really need to rethink IG. I've been wailed on by three seperate armies at all times for several turns and it's barely showing. It's dangerous for any army to be able to reinforce while also attacking. I'm not saying get rid of it altogether, but I do think that there should be an option between A3 T3 and A2 T2 + R1. Instead of A3 T3 + R1.

"barely showing"?

You were at 20, now 10.

If you were Eldar / SM, you'd be dead.

Yes, and so they should be after more than half a dozen turns of three seperate armies attacking them with all they've got. Believe me, any other faction other than Nids and IG would be very, very dead by now. The disturbing thing is that I can shrug these attacks off in a couple of turns of movement, less if they focus their attacks on someone else. This "reinforce while attacking" is disturbingly powerful. I can tell this is true just by looking at Vostroyans now, and I suspect Kraken are going to show the same thing later on.

BTW, Max 25 is huge. I'm in favour of IG and Orks both being brought down to Max 15 (after all, we're only talking a single IG regiment here), and Nids brought down to Max 20 at least.

Emperors Faithful wrote: I suspect Kraken are going to show the same thing later on.

W25 with A2 R1 or A1+1 R2? Nah...

I wonder exactly how many it will take to bring you down. Not that I want to be the one to find out of course...

From the numbers, it takes at least A3 to beat R2. More than that simply makes it go faster.

Since nobody has A3, R2 is really good.

Example:

1 nid vs 2x A1 armies:

A1 x2 = nid - 2w
A 1/1 = opponents each -1w, nid R2
=> atackers -1w each, nid 0 damage.
So 2x A1 armies get eaten....

1 nid vs 2x faster A1 armies moving before nids move:

M/A1 vs nid = 1w
M/A1 vs nid = 1w
A1/M vs nid = 1w
A1/M vs nid = 1w
=> attackers unharmed, nid -4w (assuming nids are alone there and can't bite something else to Reinforce).

1nid vs 2x A2 armies:

A2 x2 = nid *-4w
A 1/1 = opponents each -1w, nid R2
=> attackers -2w, nid -2w. Nid at 25 would easily await the death of the 10w armies....

everyone dogpile on nids:

A1 x6 = nid -6w
A1/1 = nid R2
=> attackers -2w if those can't attack and reinforce/otherwise no harm. Nids -4w. (at 25 = 7 turns).

As there are no (other) A2 armies left, A3 would be the sum of 3 A1 armies.

+ Allies A3
- Nids A2 R2
= Allies -1, Nids -1

Whichever has more wounds wins.


If the Allies are all A1 R1 IG / Eldar / CSM, then it's like this:
+ Allies = A3 R3
- Nids = A2 R2
= Allies +1, Nids -1

In this case, the Allies auto-win.



For those who didn't see, I'd like to solicit input for a follow-on "Team Survivor" game:

Team Survivor rules, interest, & discussion thread

ALPHA

BETA
Biel-Tan (Eldar) ... 10

GAMMA
. Ulthwe (Eldar) ... 10

DELTA

EPSILON
. Kraken (Nids) ... 8
. Cadians (IG) ... 20
. Vostroyans (IG) ... 19
. Freebooterz (Orks) ... 9

And now the game goes very slow.

In Epsilon, it will take at least a week for the Ork-IG alliance to whittle the Nids down from 8

In the mean time, the Eldar should be able to clear the Orks, leading to a pure IG-Eldar draw, with Eldar not out-hitting the IG, and IG not catching Eldar.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

ALPHA

BETA
Biel-Tan (Eldar) ... 10

GAMMA
. Ulthwe (Eldar) ... 10

DELTA

EPSILON
. Kraken (Nids) ... 8
. Cadians (IG) ... 20
. Vostroyans (IG) ... 19
. Freebooterz (Orks) ... 9

And now the game goes very slow.

In Epsilon, it will take at least a week for the Ork-IG alliance to whittle the Nids down from 8

In the mean time, the Eldar should be able to clear the Orks, leading to a pure IG-Eldar draw, with Eldar not out-hitting the IG, and IG not catching Eldar.

But the IG offers a solution:

Nicely stand there in a row, and we end your misery....

IMO the eldar are the issue, they refuse to attack the nids.
As they run away, the IG could win in points right? More wounds = more win.

See were not interested in a Nids/eldar alliance. Our only option is to attack the last A2 army now.
Maybe if the nids go for tasty spargelz next after their fungi diet?

Nids can't catch Eldars, either.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Nids can't catch Eldars, either.

Nids can, if the eldar player doesn't post at all as we've seen in game one.

Now, one ork isn't active at all....

Interest seems to cease.
More death and faster may help.

Again, please line up and the IG solves that.

Thing is, with so much easy Reinforce, at this point, Eldar or IG could probably go dormant for a few (several, for IG) days before picking up again.

After seeing how Nids fared, I may just test this later...

All:

FYI, Manchu and I will be launching Team Survivor Game 2 in a week or two. We are looking for input and suggestions, along with potential interest.

Thanks,

/John