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focusedfire wrote:Well while you guys are continuing your off topic argument it seems that CSM and the Orks have formed an alliance.

Oh shi-

I also thought about the number of worlds and if it makes life easier then just set the number at 6. No modifiers, just 6 worlds.

That sounds alright, but for much more crowded maps it probably should be upped a little. Only if there are 20-25+ players or something.

Duh-duh-duh-double post.

focusedfire wrote:

@ Manchu- I would like for you to reconsider my hordes hitting max and splitting into two half- strength factions controlled by the same general idea. While not necessarily for the IG, I still could see this as the tyranid rule in a game they should never have allies.

Hey!
I did as you requested and didn't attack Saim-ham or Raven Guard.

'Nids need love too

@Vikingscott- My comment that you quoted was about something Manchu said on the previous page. Manchu and sme others expressed that they felt that the nids should be a stand alone faction even if the game moves more towards alliances.

My suggestion was a way to prevent the "nids being left out in the cold.

BTW, Thanks for holding off. Too bad that the CSM had to interfere. It would have been a beautifully cinematic death for the SaimHann.Any way, Thanks again.

PS. Talk to Eldar and IG, They are feeling the pinch of a Choas/Ork squeeze. You might be able to play it where you stay mostly out of it until the Final 5.

Just an idea.

@FF It was mostly a jibe at 'Nids not having allies. And the fact that if you didn't use as a sort of allies (Non-aggression I guess) I would have been the one to take out Saim-Hann.

Um, ff, Nids been hitting Eldar all along, too.

focusedfire wrote:It would have been a beautifully cinematic death for the SaimHann.

Your life was requested to be spared, and as far I am involved in this, (when I delay my vote to post from the PC to secure the correct formatting) it may take too long and sadly you were sacrificed to the denizens of the warp.

Wasn't intended to miss delivery of his wrath. Sorry.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Um, ff, Nids been hitting Eldar all along, too.

I moved into the current place as i only had one ememy to attack.
Due to FF's request to leave him and Raven Guard alone the only thing I could attack is Eldar.

VikingScott wrote:

I moved into the current place as i only had one ememy to attack.
Due to FF's request to leave him and Raven Guard alone the only thing I could attack is Eldar.

Are they yummy? You seem to like the Biel Tan flavor much....

@all:
anyone seen Biel Tan making its move the last days?

We might want to start deciding on leaders for the factions, because it seems to me that right now at least the Chaos forces are well in a state of Chaos and the Imperials seem to have no head.

DDRE is the Biel Tan right? Sometimes he has issues with getting on, or is busy with school. If I see him on MSN I'll remind him off the game.

BrotherStynier wrote:We might want to start deciding on leaders for the factions, because it seems to me that right now at least the Chaos forces are well in a state of Chaos and the Imperials seem to have no head.

DDRE is the Biel Tan right? Sometimes he has issues with getting on, or is busy with school. If I see him on MSN I'll remind him off the game.

A solution for Biel Tans missed moves would be welcome.

But why do we need faction leaders?
Does this not beg the question how many members does a faction has to have to have a leader?
Plus, are some seperate choices in this game lumped into a faction then?

I for one, prefer free will and the option to ally with almost everyone.
As, a leader may try to order players how to move and the least neccessary thing here is a officer commanding some minions. IMHO.

I suppose, but the assumed Alliances with everyone have been an issue in this game, especially due to the lumping of everyone in one faction as being responsible for the others actions.

I dont think it would be more or less some one commanding, but advising.

Is there a reason to give in to the misconception of a minority, a vocal one for sure, that a player has to be part of a faction?
Come on, games are played with teams of not-so fluffy combos.
I see no argument to have an advisor. Sounds to me like a political commissar.
Would i need to consider the content of my post at all or do I just make the advised moves and hit submit?

--What happens to the smaller groups, like Vikingscott and his nids?
--Which side is a player on? Have Manchu roll a die?
--Is there a poll to elect the advisor?

Its a bad idea to cramp players into factions. Viable maybe in a HH game.
But where to put a varied field of players as all of us had to subscribe and were free to choose any of the presented races. Thus,
you may have sometimes a dozen possible members of a faction and sometimes single players.
Additionally, factions of several players need a different balancing than what we have now.

Example:
- there are 5 SM, and their adviser advises the early death of a 10 wounds target. Boom, 1st round 1st death.
- there are Eldar and their advisor advises to attack a 10 wound target. Jump there hit, leave next turn but hit on the run. Boom,
2nd round, next death.
- there are 5 CSM, focusing on lonely targets. 5 hits plus 5 reinforce each turn. Boom.......

Allowing to automatically combine the power of several armies would be too much.
Players should have a choice what they play and if you need to bring 4-5 friends with you to stand a chance.....
No thanks.

Im not saying it has to be done I'm saying for the most part if the factions want it then allow it. If not then the factions need to be treated more like loosely allied groups who act with similar interests.

No where do I see a suggestion of forcing people to play what they dont want to play, or saying that you have to have a leader, you're twisting my words and blowing them out of proportion.

BrotherStynier wrote:Im not saying it has to be done I'm saying for the most part if the factions want it then allow it. If not then the factions need to be treated more like loosely allied groups who act with similar interests.

No where do I see a suggestion of forcing people to play what they dont want to play, or saying that you have to have a leader, you're twisting my words and blowing them out of proportion.

Didn't intend to twist anything here. Sorry, did misread you.

It's not a problem, I was just trying to clear everything up.

1hadhq wrote:A solution for Biel Tans missed moves would be welcome.

Missed moves are wasted moves. No making 'em up!

If nobody's playing Biel-Tan, and ff isn't playing any army, just let him take over.

It's not like he could do any worse than he did with Saim-Hann...

Okay, I will PM DDrE and give him till the end of tomorrow (end of turn 4) to answer. If there is no answer or DDrE answers that he cannot play, I will turn Biel-Tan over to focucsedfire--if he wants the job. If focusedfire does not want the Biel-Tan, I will offer them to Erasoketa. If no one else wants them and no one else is out by then, I will play them myself.

Your such a nice guy manchu, If I was you I'd just take over biel tan.

I'd rather see what other people would do. I already know what I would.

Manchu wrote:Okay, I will PM DDrE and give him till the end of tomorrow (end of turn 4) to answer. If there is no answer or DDrE answers that he cannot play, I will turn Biel-Tan over to focucsedfire--if he wants the job. If focusedfire does not want the Biel-Tan, I will offer them to Erasoketa. If no one else wants them and no one else is out by then, I will play them myself.

That's completely fair, tho I'd give DDRE until 10pm NY time - that way, ff / Era / you would have a chance to get a move in before the day ends.

Perhaps...

1 World + 1 world per three players?

That would be:
6 with 15
7 with 18
8 with 21
9 with 24
10 with 27

@IS- Your proposal brings the game back to the problem of the Eldar being completely boned in Smaller games. I venture to say that the SM's would be hurting in games of 4 worlds or less with this system.

I understand that 6 worlds would be a disabvantage for the 1 move armies. That was Why I proposed that the larger more ponderous horde armies have the threat of being able to create new divisions.

The horde armies being able to split would allow them to cover more territory thus forcing the faster armies to engage them in the early game as oppossed to ignoring them until they are isolated in the end game.

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's not like he could do any worse than he did with Saim-Hann...

Gee thanks John


@Manchu- While I appreciate JHDD's enthusiasm for returning what he considers to be a harmless general(I can just feel d' love) to the field, I believe that it would only be fair to offer the chance to Erakoseta first. He was the first to be eliminated so should be the first to get a second chance. If he is not up for it then I will, with much appreciation, step in to handle the much neglected Biel-Tan.

@ff: mostly, it's that you're still posting, and poor Era isn't...

And technically, I think it's possible you could manage to get Biel-Tan killed in your first Day.

focusedfire wrote:@IS- Your proposal brings the game back to the problem of the Eldar being completely boned in Smaller games. I venture to say that the SM's would be hurting in games of 4 worlds or less with this system.

Hopefully we wouldn't be playing games with fewer than 15 players though!

@ JHDD
Hey, the game plan was for Saim Hann to take out one threat and cripple another. Mission accomplished.

I knew that doing such would put a target on the Saim Hann that would mean their downfall. Re-read my message right after I took the BT out. I said that I was going to come out of the Alpha Alpha Sextus sector with 5 or less wounds and that I was going to lure the other SM in for a dog pile before I went out of the game.

After 1hadhq followed left me, I spent the rest of the time trying to get them killed off to remove the 4 Eldar are the biggest threat perception. I was really going for a Wrath of Kahn style of death scene.(Grumble...darned Chaos ruining the narrative and upstaging my death scene..grumble)

My invites to the Saim Hann Wake should have told you that. The only part of my plan that changed was, I had to adjust where I lured him to for the dog-pile because of one other army moving unpredictably.

Point is that when I saw the rules and game board I realized that the chances of a Saim Hann(Or any Single Eldar army) victory were slim, but that an Eldar win was possible(Not Guaranteed, just possible) by removing the only faction able to counter our speed.

Hi!

As I said the Game One thread I'm still here, but I won't play in the Game One anymore, so focusedfire can take the command of Biel-Tan if Morgrim, DDre and Manchu agree. No problem for me.

My post per day ratio will probably decrease a lot in the next 2-3 weeks. I can't avoid the sanfermines

If youre still visiting us regulary , why not drop some ideas here for the next game?

I will when I come up with something worthy xD