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Right, let's leave real-world religion out of this.

Melissia wrote:That picture would be perfect, if it weren't for the disgusting amount of makeup. As it is, the makeup makes her look like some sort of whore cosplaying for a client.

Yeah it's hilarious how the artist found it logical that female troops will always have time to apply makeup. How about making it a little more believable (Yes I know this is in a world with psychics etc). Still when you see male IG they are usually dirty/look like they've seen combat, while here it looks like as you said a mere cosplayer.

"Ok, it's time for the grand review, and ladies, you had BETTER NOT embarrass me in front of the other colonels! I REFUSE to look like I do not know how to run a regiment in front of those sausage smuggling Neanderthals! SO, I want EVERY LAST Emperor Blessed one of you to have your boots shined and lipstick gloss ON! AM I UNDERSTOOD?"

BluntmanDC wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Since we have not definitively determined where it was that human beings come from, we cannot say with certainty that we did or did not evolve, or are or are not continuing to evolve.

I'm sorry but that statement is utter rubbish the amount of evidence is massive, but i don't want to get into this arguement on the background thread.

Did he just said that Darvin theory was wrong? Isn't that proven that he have evolved from apes?

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Since we have not definitively determined where it was that human beings come from, we cannot say with certainty that we did or did not evolve, or are or are not continuing to evolve.

I'm sorry but that statement is utter rubbish the amount of evidence is massive, but i don't want to get into this arguement on the background thread.

Did he just said that Darvin theory was wrong? Isn't that proven that he have evolved from apes?

We didn't evolve from apes.
Learn the Theory before questioning others disbelief in it.

Just watch both Starship Troopers movies and it ansers this whole thread just fine, Yes there are female troopers because thats the way humanity is.

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Since we have not definitively determined where it was that human beings come from, we cannot say with certainty that we did or did not evolve, or are or are not continuing to evolve.

I'm sorry but that statement is utter rubbish the amount of evidence is massive, but i don't want to get into this arguement on the background thread.

Did he just said that Darvin theory was wrong? Isn't that proven that he have evolved from apes?

We didn't evolve from apes.
Learn the Theory before questioning others disbelief in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape Here you have a paragraph about Human evolution. Seems like apes to me...


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LordWynne wrote:Just watch both Starship Troopers movies and it ansers this whole thread just fine, Yes there are female troopers because thats the way humanity is.

Watch part 3, the song is awesome and perfect match for the Imperial Guard.
Anyway, problem is that we don't see much woman in the Imperial Guard, there are some. But man dominate the Guard way to much.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Since we have not definitively determined where it was that human beings come from, we cannot say with certainty that we did or did not evolve, or are or are not continuing to evolve.

I'm sorry but that statement is utter rubbish the amount of evidence is massive, but i don't want to get into this arguement on the background thread.

Did he just said that Darvin theory was wrong? Isn't that proven that he have evolved from apes?

We didn't evolve from apes.
Learn the Theory before questioning others disbelief in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape Here you have a paragraph about Human evolution. Seems like apes to me...

Hominidae is the family we are in.
We evolved from that as did apes.
At any rate it isn't the reason Chritisnas dislike the Theory of Natural Selection.

There's a reason it's still called the "Theory of Evolution". It hasn't been proven as fact yet, and there are still several pieces missing from the puzzle. It has not yet been proven that we evolved from apes.

Psienesis wrote:There's a reason it's still called the "Theory of Evolution". It hasn't been proven as fact yet, and there are still several pieces missing from the puzzle. It has not yet been proven that we evolved from apes.

A - we didn't evolve from apes, no current scientific belief says we did, apes didn't exist during the start of the evoluion of our species, we as primates all evolved together from common ancestors.
B - the word 'theory' in a scientific use means something completely different to the word 'theory' outside of scientific use. you're imagining of the theory of evolution would actually be the hypothesis of evolution, this is a common mistake with people who use that phase.
C - when debating about scienetific ideas on a thread, such as how a race evolved (as the Tau are clearly said to have evolved), bringing religious beliefs which are counter to the 40k universe is of no help to the discussion.
D - evolution can be seen and felt all around us, why do you think bacteria become resitant to drugs, or look at any farm animal, all of them have all gone through forced evolution.


Anyway, i was thinking about how i could use the grey knight codex if i ever wanted to and the idea of a black ship retrival force, using ordo heriticus inquisitors with warriors (converted sister of battle) and null rods to play as sisters of silence and then lots of inquisitorial stormtroopers (unfortunately using henchmen).

I think making female armies can be done, but i do prefer conversions/models that don't make gimicks out of them being women.

Ehm... mine is the entirely wrong tree to bark up if you want to bring RL religious beliefs into a topic, being that I'm an atheist. Still, the fact remains that human evolution from apes is, as yet, unproven. "Hypothesis" is a fine word to use in place of "theory". It is, as yet, an unproven hypothesis.

It also has nothing to do with the evolution of an entirely fictional race of blue-skinned Space Commies, except for use as a comparative example.

Psienesis wrote:Ehm... mine is the entirely wrong tree to bark up if you want to bring RL religious beliefs into a topic, being that I'm an atheist. Still, the fact remains that human evolution from apes is, as yet, unproven. "Hypothesis" is a fine word to use in place of "theory". It is, as yet, an unproven hypothesis.

It also has nothing to do with the evolution of an entirely fictional race of blue-skinned Space Commies, except for use as a comparative example.

It's got strong enough evidence for us to be pretty much certain it is in fact correct. Unless God is THE biggest troll ever...

It would certainly explain a lot.

Hey if i was God it's what i would do.

I'm wondering how this relates to female Cadians at this point?

It doesn't... we established fairly early on, up-thread, that Cadians can, and probably do, have mixed-gender or, at the very least, female soldiers in its regiments... which somehow then moved on to whether or not Tau have boobs. Being that this involves a subject of great interest and import to players of all stripes, the topic then went boldy, blithely onward, with battlelines drawn in the sand as to whether or not Tau have boobs and why, or why not, they do (or don't).

I later suggested a split-off of the thread, called "Tau and their Tits" (or something), but that did not seem to garner much interest. Perhaps "Tatas, Tau and You" for a touch of more-obvious humor? At some point, platypi got involved, I'm not really sure how, though I blame Slaanesh. Or maybe Tzeentch.

I blame Matt Ward... and the Victim of course...

Psienesis wrote:There's a reason it's still called the "Theory of Evolution". It hasn't been proven as fact yet, and there are still several pieces missing from the puzzle. It has not yet been proven that we evolved from apes.

Seriously, everyone, shut the hell up on evolution and natural selection. As evidenced by this post, most people here don't even know what a scientific theory is. Quoth Wikipedia (which while not the most reliable source is in this case substantially accurate) "A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena." Being provable based off of the knowledge, data, and understanding we have today is the very definition of a scientific theory.

For that matter, most people, even the nerds that come on this forum, would probably find On the Origin of Species to be a rather hard read, and few people, yes even the ones here, can likely honestly claim to both have read it and understood it, nevermind read and understood the rest of the later research on the subject by scientists not as famous as Darwin. Who here has read anything by Edward Osborne Wilson? Probably only people who are majoring in evolutionary biology to begin with, or perhaps those whom are majoring in sociology and psychology (as his most famous book, Sociobiology, covers the links between evolution and social constructs of a species).

And honestly, what does all of this have to do with females in the Imperial Guard, nevermind females in Cadia?

I think we left that topic a while ago Liss...
This thread has run its course several times over.
Time to lock and be done with it?

Melissia wrote:

Psienesis wrote:There's a reason it's still called the "Theory of Evolution". It hasn't been proven as fact yet, and there are still several pieces missing from the puzzle. It has not yet been proven that we evolved from apes.

Seriously, everyone, shut the hell up on evolution and natural selection. As evidenced by this post, most people here don't even know what a scientific theory is. Quoth Wikipedia (which while not the most reliable source is in this case substantially accurate) "A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena." Being provable based off of the knowledge, data, and understanding we have today is the very definition of a scientific theory.

For that matter, most people, even the nerds that come on this forum, would probably find On the Origin of Species to be a rather hard read, and few people, yes even the ones here, can likely honestly claim to both have read it and understood it, nevermind read and understood the rest of the later research on the subject by scientists not as famous as Darwin. Who here has read anything by Edward Osborne Wilson? Probably only people who are majoring in evolutionary biology to begin with, or perhaps those whom are majoring in sociology and psychology (as his most famous book, Sociobiology, covers the links between evolution and social constructs of a species).

And honestly, what does all of this have to do with females in the Imperial Guard, nevermind females in Cadia?

purplefood wrote:I think we left that topic a while ago Liss...
This thread has run its course several times over.
Time to lock and be done with it?

I agree with both of these statements. Arguing over HUMAN evolution is no way to discuss if Tau evolved. This is a fictional universe that can literally have anything happen, humans given life extension treatments, extra organs and power armor that attaches to their bodies with neural spikes. This said, how is the Tau evolving a subject of controversy?

I also agree the thread has run its course, however that is for a mod to decide.

Wow, this topic is off course. Anytime people start arguing over evolution, my eyes start glazing over. Not because I don't understand the arguments on both sides (I at least like to *think* that I can follow along), but because I've got better things to do with my time than sit and listen to something that eventually boils down to people arguing, "Uh-huh! Uh-uh! Uh-huh! Uh-uh!" Topics like this - much like politics - are best left for private discussions amongst friends.

And even then you need to be careful.


The irony, of course, is that I first figured out why I should avoid talking about politics while I was serving as a missionary and spending lots of time talking to people about religion...

BaronIveagh wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
And on a completely unrelated and off-topic note, during the course of my previous post (I was trying to track down an image to link, but eventually decided not to bother) I discovered that the Appleseed animated series is back on track!

EXCELLENT. Maybe now Shirow will f'ing FINISH VOLUME 5! *ACHEM* Sorry...

Check your PMs.

Eumerin wrote:The irony, of course, is that I first figured out why I should avoid talking about politics while I was serving as a missionary and spending lots of time talking to people about religion...

As my father says, you simply don't discuss religion and politics in polite company.

Eumerin wrote:

Check your PMs.

I Did. And... meh. I really can't get into shirow's new obsession with cgi. I liked his pencil and ink work better.

Spetulhu wrote:As my father says, you simply don't discuss religion and politics in polite company.

Granted, but I've otherwise found the two go well together, particularly when, say, praying to god that the next mortar barrage is no more accurate then the last one and discussing just what sort of fiery pit the other side's leaders should spend the rest of eternity.

You guys talked about tits, evolution and religion from the page 5... Why this thread is not closed for going off topic? KillKrazy closed the last one ( Tau and Warp travel ) after 3 off-topic posts, so why not this one also? No matter...

Let us all return to the OP. So Cadian female Regiments are actually PDF, while most men are going off planet campaigns. What about girls? Are they also go to Whiteshields as boys? And how is Cadian female private raising her child while in acting service, do she get some kind of leave or she is holding her child in the barracks?

That's standard Cadian regiments from Cadia at any rate. Other Cadian regiments that were sent to colonize other worlds could very well have other ideas on the subject. It's just the nature of 40k.

Besides, if a homeguard regiment proved its worth, it could very well be taken on a crusade elsewhere.

I agree with that...

Except we have absolutely no basis for the assumption that women are limited to the home-guard or PDF. The only Cadian regiments we have any information on in detail are the 8th and 91st.

It's certainly not the case with Valhallens, who segregate the troops by gender, normally, or the Jouran Dragoons, who seem to raise nothing BUT mixed gender units.

According to fluff, all Cadian youths serve in the youth armies and then the white shields.

Well we do have a basis for the assumption.
Cadia needs to maintain the Birth rates otherwise the population will begin to decline. It makes sense that unless the birth rate was outstripping the mortality rate they would try and keep any women in the Interior guard rather than send them to other planets.

purplefood wrote:Well we do have a basis for the assumption.
Cadia needs to maintain the Birth rates otherwise the population will begin to decline. It makes sense that unless the birth rate was outstripping the mortality rate they would try and keep any women in the Interior guard rather than send them to other planets.

Again, the problem is math:

At 1064 regiments of Cadians (based off the unit numbers of the most recently raised units for the Black Crusade) Cadia is only supporting 5,320,000 troops in the IG.

That's only about half the military of Russia, assuming that every regiment follows the standard sizes mentioned for the Cadian 8th and 91st.

Compare this to Kreig, where a single regiment may number upwards of 250,000 troopers (though, granted, they also produce soldiers in factories somehow, though it's not clear if they're clones)

They aren't clones. Trust me on this.
I'm not sure if that lists the Interior guard or not so i cannot make a judgement.