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Brother Coa wrote:Like I said, didn't see any female model thus far in that category...

When they released Tanith models eons ago one of the 4 models was female,
And the were female squats

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

When they released Tanith models eons ago one of the 4 models was female,

Yeah, i wish they still did those, they were awesome models.

As for GW doing Female Guard, I would love it, if they avoided the clichés.

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Tau are not mammals (only mammals have breasts, do you know anything about biology or the natural world), so why would would they have breasts? only a few tau components are helmetless, which is where you actually can see the gender of the Tau in question, why are you ignoring that point, only humans and eldar are described as having females with breasts and other human ideas of gender.

Tau are mamals? Didn't know that. You could say that on the start and save some room in this thread

OK english may not be your first language, but i gave you the correct spelling in my post and the correct operator.

Tau are not mammalian (and even this point isn't that important, as in the massive array of mammals Humans are one of the few species that have enlarged mammory glands, or breasts, constantly. Most mammals only have englaged glands when weening, try telling the different genders between cats from closer than half a foot)

And both Purplefood and I made this point constantly, but you chose to ignore them.

Actually, according to Love Can Blam, Tau do have breasts. And, apparently, human-compatible genitalia.

BluntmanDC wrote:Unfortunetly, the majority of feminists who gain media attention and say they represent all women/feminists, are usually poor examples of feminists and humans in general, being egotistical fault finders looking for conflict.

Like Swedish politician Gudrun Schyman (sp?) who quite boldly proposed a "man-tax" to cover the medical costs of domestic violence. Yup, because some men beat their spouses all men should pay.

But the IoM is not our world - not the West, not Africa, not Asia or the Middle East. There's an insane amount of different social systems that have only one thing in common - they serve the Emperor by tithing troops or something else. People are in many cases strictly divided in social classes. One world may send the dregs of society to serve while others see military service as a duty/privilege for the nobility and wealthy people. Women may be second class citizens on one world while ruling the next. It might be perfectly fine for some to rule the world and serve in the army while others are little more than slaves. As long as the Imperial Guard gets the right number of soldiers and gear it cares not if women are there as generals or camp followers, or both.

Brother Coa wrote:My point is that I have necer seen Female FW models ( not commanders but ordinary solders ).

Our point is that Firewarriors all look the same regardless of gender when they're wearing their armor. One look at Shadowsun (a confirmed female) ought to clue you in to that. Would you have *any* idea that Shadowsun was female if you hadn't been told?

BluntmanDC wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Tau are not mammals (only mammals have breasts, do you know anything about biology or the natural world), so why would would they have breasts? only a few tau components are helmetless, which is where you actually can see the gender of the Tau in question, why are you ignoring that point, only humans and eldar are described as having females with breasts and other human ideas of gender.

Tau are mamals? Didn't know that. You could say that on the start and save some room in this thread

OK english may not be your first language, but i gave you the correct spelling in my post and the correct operator.

Tau are not mammalian (and even this point isn't that important, as in the massive array of mammals Humans are one of the few species that have enlarged mammory glands, or breasts, constantly. Most mammals only have englaged glands when weening, try telling the different genders between cats from closer than half a foot)

And both Purplefood and I made this point constantly, but you chose to ignore them.

Only now I see what have I wrote down...
I was sleepy....

Anyway, Tau do have breast. They are mentioned in a novel. And everywhere I looked and saw female Tau - she was with breasts. So what gives?

I have the female catachan someplace here, and for female cadians, TPC made resin bits kits for them before that went south. I have a few around, still, I think. Never finished all of them. Give me a sec and I'll get the camera.

Brother Coa wrote:Anyway, Tau do have breast. They are mentioned in a novel. And everywhere I looked and saw female Tau - she was with breasts. So what gives?

What do you mean, "What gives?" Are you telling me that you can seriously look at Shadowsun's model and determine what her bra size is underneath all that armor?

Why would you think Firewarrior armor reveals anything more than Shadowsun's armor does?

BaronIveagh wrote:I have the female catachan someplace here, and for female cadians, TPC made resin bits kits for them before that went south. I have a few around, still, I think. Never finished all of them. Give me a sec and I'll get the camera.

Now thisis something...nice paintjob by te way...


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Eumerin wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Anyway, Tau do have breast. They are mentioned in a novel. And everywhere I looked and saw female Tau - she was with breasts. So what gives?

What do you mean, "What gives?" Are you telling me that you can seriously look at Shadowsun's model and determine what her bra size is underneath all that armor?

Why would you think Firewarrior armor reveals anything more than Shadowsun's armor does?

No, but it is fair to give at least some pointers...I mean, if they have breast they need space right?
And it seems that most FW models are wearing male armor...

Brother Coa wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Anyway, Tau do have breast. They are mentioned in a novel. And everywhere I looked and saw female Tau - she was with breasts. So what gives?

What do you mean, "What gives?" Are you telling me that you can seriously look at Shadowsun's model and determine what her bra size is underneath all that armor?

Why would you think Firewarrior armor reveals anything more than Shadowsun's armor does?

No, but it is fair to give at least some pointers...I mean, if they have breast they need space right?
And it seems that most FW models are wearing male armor...

You seem to believe that there's nothing under the outer layer but tau. Spending time actually thinking about how armor works would reveal the flaw in your belief.

Rigid armor needs some sort of insulated padding. Otherwise you have problems with chafing. Additionally, a soft liner helps the armor to better absorb impacts without injuring the wearer (an undamaged armor suit isn't much good if the person inside has been turned into paste). And the advantage of a soft material is that it's fairly easy to adjust to the wearer's body shape. It also tends to be considerably less expensive to customize than rigid hardsuit armor. Since firewarriors aren't all the exact same size, the padding is where you would obviously want to customize the armor. And you can adjust the liner to match up with the body shape of the individual wearing the armor.

Ergo - the reason why you can't tell the gender of Shadowsun without consulting fluff, and why you don't know the gender of the firewarrior standing across the field with his or her helmet on.


For an example of somewhat similar armor with humans inside, see volume 3 of Masamune Shirow's Appleseed manga. There's an extended sequence involving a raid on a house by a large mixed-gender team wearing hard-shell body armor (not as high-tech as tau armor, but somewhat similar - and they're using body armor, not the better known Guges landmates). Anyone who's familiar with Shirow's work knows that he's quite willing to show off the female figure - but during the sequence in question you're forced to rely completely on dialogue and characterization to figure out who's who.

And at no point do you look at the body armor and think, "She wouldn't fit in that!"

Eumerin wrote: "She wouldn't fit in that!"

You mean like this:



Anyway, thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated

purplefood wrote:Wow pedantic much...

Not pedantic about the IG.

I do not want to have a mini-skirt wearing big boobed slut in my Imperial guard tyvm.


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Brother Coa wrote:No, but it is fair to give at least some pointers...I mean, if they have breast they need space right?

You'd be surprised how much they can be compressed. I've seen someone with D-cups cosplaying- believably-- as a male.

The old joke being that when she took the costume off there was a boobsplosion.

Melissia wrote:

purplefood wrote:Wow pedantic much...

Not pedantic about the IG.

I do not want to have a mini-skirt wearing big boobed slut in my Imperial guard tyvm.


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Brother Coa wrote:No, but it is fair to give at least some pointers...I mean, if they have breast they need space right?

You'd be surprised how much they can be compressed. I've seen someone with D-cups cosplaying- believably-- as a male.

The old joke being that when she took the costume off there was a boobsplosion.

I didn't mean you were pedantic i was saying Brother Coa was pedantic.

purplefood wrote:
I didn't mean you were pedantic i was saying Brother Coa was pedantic.

Much appreciated brother purplefood

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
I didn't mean you were pedantic i was saying Brother Coa was pedantic.

Much appreciated brother purplefood

It's not exactly an insult but it certainly isn't a desired personality trait in this culture.

Then in what way you mean that?
I understand I was in some way nice...

Pedantic means you are overly concerned with minute details. It isn't a very sought after trait... or at least it isn't in this culture.

Sorry, it's my nature. I like to stare in beautiful things and take note on every scratch. ( you should see me with my car then... ).

Usually when I play DoW, I like looking at every detail with building or unit, or just seeing how building is built when i wait for recourses to buy something.

Your recommendation is quite welcome, thanks

Brother Coa wrote:Sorry, it's my nature. I like to stare in beautiful things and take note on every scratch. ( you should see me with my car then... ).

Usually when I play DoW, I like looking at every detail with building or unit, or just seeing how building is built when i wait for recourses to buy something.

Your recommendation is quite welcome, thanks

That's fine but it was in context with the point about you not seeing a female firewarrior grunt in particular even though Shadowsun has already been used as an example. The fact you specifically said firewarrior grunt rather than soldier was pedantic especially since you added it on after you had made the original quote...

Psienesis wrote:Actually, according to Love Can Blam, Tau do have breasts. And, apparently, human-compatible genitalia.

What Black Library book is this from because after a quick search of their website there is no info on this story at all and right now its just sounding like terrible fan-fiction.

Psienesis wrote:Love Can Blam

BluntmanDC wrote:its just sounding like terrible fan-fiction.

Indeed.... indeed.

You don't want to know.

Melissia wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Love Can Blam

BluntmanDC wrote:its just sounding like terrible fan-fiction.

Indeed.... indeed.

You don't want to know.

I'm sorry, I've read 40k fapfics people have sent me that would turn your hair white. This sounds positively mild mannered.

Oh, I was just meaning because it's just too stupid to bother with.

Meh, I'll stick to eatatau for ersatz tau having wild sex. At least they write it funny, occasionally.

Melissia wrote:You'd be surprised how much they can be compressed. I've seen someone with D-cups cosplaying- believably-- as a male.

The old joke being that when she took the costume off there was a boobsplosion.

Quite a while back I read an article about the making of a mini-series on the guys who developed silicon implants (or something along those lines - this was quite a while ago, so I'm probably mis-remembering some of the details). One of the things that the writers/director commented on was that they had to do before and after shots of women for the series, and the women in those shots tended to be quite well-endowed (pretty much a requirement if you're going to do a convincing portrayal of someone who's had an implant job). Obviously this was a potential issue when putting together the "before" shots as the same well-endowed women would need to convincingly portray women with less noticable breasts.

The solution that they ended up settling on turned out to be simple enough. The "before" shots had the actresses in baggy and/or loosely fitting tops, while the "after" shots had them wearing much tighter tops. While that sort of thing won't make breasts disappear completely, it does at least tend to make them appear to be smaller. I'm guessing a combination of that and binding would tend to make all but the most outrageously large breasts virtually unnoticable.




And on a completely unrelated and off-topic note, during the course of my previous post (I was trying to track down an image to link, but eventually decided not to bother) I discovered that the Appleseed animated series is back on track!

I always liked that manga a lot more than GitS and Tank Police.

Eumerin wrote:
And on a completely unrelated and off-topic note, during the course of my previous post (I was trying to track down an image to link, but eventually decided not to bother) I discovered that the Appleseed animated series is back on track!

EXCELLENT. Maybe now Shirow will f'ing FINISH VOLUME 5! *ACHEM* Sorry...

Brother Coa wrote:Anyway, Tau do have breast. They are mentioned in a novel. And everywhere I looked and saw female Tau - she was with breasts. So what gives?

So to conclude the tau part of this discussion:

Their are no actual fluff that says that Tau females resemble human females in any way.
The only known difference is that females have a different shaped head groove.

So if you want female tau, all you have to do is say they are females or do a very small conversion on one of the few helmetless heads.

It does stand to reason that a firewarrior female would not be encombered with a 'curvy figure' as all fire warriors have been selectively breed for generations to be warriors and fufill the role there caste is assigned, so having a body shape that is less efficient would be breed out.


As to IG the matter is different, they do need some female kits, even if it is an online upgrade sprue, but this does only have do be heads for armies like the cadians (a world at constant war and work, would leave very few women with a curvy figure, the more feminine shape is made up alot by fat, and so it is unlikely on a world Cadia that women would gain that figue. Combine this with the fatigues and you would only see a difference in the face).

valhallan troops - no point, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, nearly any of that range could be a woman
first born - no because it goes against the fluff
krieg - no because it goes against the fluff
steel legion - in those outfits you wouldn't see a difference
penal legions - just fill it with necromuda figures
catachan - the obvious choice for female soldiers, unfortunetly, they wouldn't look very feminine due to fluff so wouldn't tick the boxes set out by a large number of female model posters

BluntmanDC wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Anyway, Tau do have breast. They are mentioned in a novel. And everywhere I looked and saw female Tau - she was with breasts. So what gives?

catachan - the obvious choice for female soldiers, unfortunetly, they wouldn't look very feminine due to fluff so wouldn't tick the boxes set out by a large number of female model posters

40k? Catachan? or VAAAAAASQUEZ!

From the Catachan special weapon blister (not oop).

BaronIveagh wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
And on a completely unrelated and off-topic note, during the course of my previous post (I was trying to track down an image to link, but eventually decided not to bother) I discovered that the Appleseed animated series is back on track!

EXCELLENT. Maybe now Shirow will f'ing FINISH VOLUME 5! *ACHEM* Sorry...

lol

I don't think we'll get that lucky. I'd have to double-check, but iirc his statement on the matter was something along the lines of his notes being lost and long-gone. He's also moved over to fully computer generated images since then, and iirc he's mentioned something about not liking the way that Deunan would look if he attempted to recreate her using that sort of artwork. Of course, the fact that he's an extremely private individual and does his best to avoid public attention - including the press - just makes it that much more difficult to get a clear answer as to what exactly happened with Appleseed.

Sadly, that means that volume 5 will be left permanently half-finished.


But since you seem interested...

The new series is called 'Appleseed XIII'. It looks as if Bandai will be distributing it. The artwork and animation will be closer to the first movie than the second (possibly with some ideas from the old OVA series), but the plot will more closely resemble the manga. Curiously, the actual distribution will be accomplished through a hybrid of theaters and on-line. Even though it's a series, it will *not* be broadcast on TV. The release date for the first episode(?) will be next month, iirc. There are currently no known details on a North American release, though I can't imagine that Bandai doesn't have some ideas on how to handle that.