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Melissia wrote:No, that would be sarcasm

Technically both...
You were being sarcastic but i see irony in the fact you were sarcastically saying that anyone who believe in equality is crazy and yet you come from/live in a country that is... noted for its general... dislike for communism/socialism/marxism which tended to believe in equality... though lets not get into that right now.

Hardly ironic. Communist countries tend to not be very equal anyway, certainly little more if any than capitalist ones. Not even economic equality. Indeed, frequently they actually tend to be less so.

Melissia wrote:Hardly ironic. Communist countries tend to not be very equal anyway, certainly little more if any than capitalist ones. Not even economic equality. Indeed, frequently they actually tend to be less so.

I disagree (with it not being ironic the rest i agree with) but this topic has gone far enough off topic as it is...

Well everyone at GW thinks that only men would play 40k, now when women have become interested in this ( via books or else.. ) they even didn't consider to drop out female models. That's not an excuse, just because woman don't play this in large quantity doesn't mean that we should not have female models.
Times have changed, today we have woman going into military, leading a company or becoming a president or prime minister.
But on 40k defense, they could only put more female models into IG and Tau. ( don't know how much you guys love Boobed Necrons, Tyranids or Orks )

Brother Coa wrote:But on 40k defense, they could only put more female models into IG and Tau. ( don't know how much you guys love Boobed Necrons, Tyranids or Orks )

There are five factions that can have female soldiers (six before they killed off the Diaznettes), but only one even comes close to having an all-female plastic kit.

Well six really, but one of them doesn't have a codex of its own and is instead stuffed other armies' codices: Dark Eldar, Eldar, Inquisition, Sisters of Battle, Tau.

Mind you considering half of all armies is marines and marines are male-only, GW would basically have to introduce FSM (and boy would I spend the whole day laughing then) to even begin to even it out.

At least Orks don't have a gender proper.

I'm not sure if antone has metioned this yet, but in Duty Calls, there is a female Sergeant (Can't remeber her name) and a female inquisitor (Can't remeber her name eihter). Then again, the regiment is from Valhalla

They have mentioned it...
In fact in most of the Cain novels he serves with a mixed gender regiment.

Melissia wrote:Mind you considering half of all armies is marines and marines are male-only.

I don't know whether you are talking about this in a GW selling point-of-view, where the SM are the showponies, But in the fluff, How could one million soldiers possibly compare to the near infinate amount of other soldiers.

115th Cadian Shock Troops wrote:

Melissia wrote:Mind you considering half of all armies is marines and marines are male-only.

I don't know whether you are talking about this in a GW selling point-of-view, where the SM are the showponies, But in the fluff, How could one million soldiers possibly compare to the near infinate amount of other soldiers.

They are a symbol. They are also rarer than the fluff suggests.
They don't often get bogged down in long fights, they need to be a lightning assault force which they are... sometimes.

As I recall, in the book "Cadian Blood" the cadian captain tells the off-world commissar thet the cadians have some kind of breeding programme, rather than using artificial wombs. (Incidentally, I'd not heard of this DKOK stuff before, but then I suppose things like artificial wombs are gonna be considered even freakier than it is nowadays, what with the average Imperial citizen being terrified of the arcane arts of the mechanicus, so the "old fashioned way" might be preferred.)

Thade, the captain who told the Commissar that, was joking.

115th Cadian Shock Troops wrote:

Melissia wrote:Mind you considering half of all armies is marines and marines are male-only.

I don't know whether you are talking about this in a GW selling point-of-view, where the SM are the showponies, But in the fluff, How could one million soldiers possibly compare to the near infinate amount of other soldiers.

I was referring to the number of codices. Thare are seven Marine codices.

BA, BT, CSM, DA, GK, SM, SW.

Melissia wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Melissia wrote:

cadbren wrote:It's impossible to please feminists because they're all slightly insane

That's one of the dumbest things I've read this week...

The belief that both genders should be treated equally is neither caused by nor indicative of insanity.

I think he means the crazy feminists who just hate men rather than trying to advance women's rights... or try to take away men's rights as some kind of punishment. You know... crazy people...

And yet, that is not what he said-- which was a blanket statement insulting all feminists. Because everyone knows you can't believe in equality without being nucking futs.

Unfortunetly, the majority of feminists who gain media attention and say they represent all women/feminists, are usually poor examples of feminists and humans in general, being egotistical fault finders looking for conflict. At the end of the day i prefer the tern equalist, as the term feminist gives a perceived gender bias.

Brother Coa wrote:Well everyone at GW thinks that only men would play 40k, now when women have become interested in this ( via books or else.. ) they even didn't consider to drop out female models. That's not an excuse, just because woman don't play this in large quantity doesn't mean that we should not have female models.
Times have changed, today we have woman going into military, leading a company or becoming a president or prime minister.
But on 40k defense, they could only put more female models into IG and Tau. ( don't know how much you guys love Boobed Necrons, Tyranids or Orks )

This is a very weak statement, not only do GW employ women as branch managers and studio painters, their has also been many women winning golden deamon awards, GW know women play and paint with their minitures, they also know that it is a small percentage.

GW also has female models, Dark Eldar, Eldar, all Sisters of Battle, inquisitors, necromunda, (IG and Tau but in smaller numbers). The main downfall is the lack of proper representation in the IG.

BluntmanDC wrote:IG and Tau but in smaller numbers

Never saw female Guardsman or Fire Warrior...

Aren't all the Guard infantry models ancient by this point? They certainly look like the older models, what with the blobby shape and particularly bad proportions (yes, modern models don't have correct proportions either, but they're better, and look better than actual proportions at that scale).


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Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:IG and Tau but in smaller numbers

Never saw female Guardsman or Fire Warrior...

There are female fire warrior models, it's just you can't tell because they're all hooved fish aliens in several hundred pounds of armor.

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:IG and Tau but in smaller numbers

Never saw female Guardsman or Fire Warrior...

Tau - as already stated has a female firewarrior HQ Commander Shadowsun
IG - Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers, tanith first and only

Melissia wrote:Hardly ironic. Communist countries tend to not be very equal anyway, certainly little more if any than capitalist ones. Not even economic equality. Indeed, frequently they actually tend to be less so.

Sarcasm is a form of irony.......

BluntmanDC wrote:
Tau - as already stated has a female firewarrior HQ Commander Shadowsun
IG - Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers, tanith first and only

Liek I said, never saw a GUARDWOMAN and Tau female FIRE WARRIOR models.
Shadowsun is a COMMANDER in a BATTLESUIT.
Tanith first and only are not overall IG...

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Tau - as already stated has a female firewarrior HQ Commander Shadowsun
IG - Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers, tanith first and only

Liek I said, never saw a GUARDWOMAN and Tau female FIRE WARRIOR models.
Shadowsun is a COMMANDER in a BATTLESUIT.
Tanith first and only are not overall IG...

Wow pedantic much...
If Shadowsun is a female commander it stands to reason that there are female Fire Warriors. The differences may be impossible to see when they are in their armour.
Tanith 1st and only aren't overall IG but several other novels (Cain series and Last Chancer) has regiments of female guard.
And again if there is a female general it stands to reason there are female guardswomen...

purplefood wrote:
Wow pedantic much...
If Shadowsun is a female commander it stands to reason that there are female Fire Warriors. The differences may be impossible to see when they are in their armour.
Tanith 1st and only aren't overall IG but several other novels (Cain series and Last Chancer) has regiments of female guard.
And again if there is a female general it stands to reason there are female guardswomen...

Like I said, didn't see any female model thus far in that category...

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Tau - as already stated has a female firewarrior HQ Commander Shadowsun
IG - Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers, tanith first and only

Liek I said, never saw a GUARDWOMAN and Tau female FIRE WARRIOR models.
Shadowsun is a COMMANDER in a BATTLESUIT.
Tanith first and only are not overall IG...

WOW seriously?

Shadowsun IS a firewarrior, all military tau are fire warriors and as purplefood says how do you know what a non-mammalian alien race with no link to humanity or the crafting of the Old Ones would look like?

All we know is that the only noticable difference between male and female Tau are their heads, and seeing as nearly all fire warrior tau have common sence and wear helmets you wouldn't see any difference between the two, you can be a terrible pedant but your point is moot.

As the the second point, tanith and last chancers are part of the IG range so again your point is moot

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
Wow pedantic much...
If Shadowsun is a female commander it stands to reason that there are female Fire Warriors. The differences may be impossible to see when they are in their armour.
Tanith 1st and only aren't overall IG but several other novels (Cain series and Last Chancer) has regiments of female guard.
And again if there is a female general it stands to reason there are female guardswomen...

Like I said, didn't see any female model thus far in that category...

So you're aying that simply because a model of it has yet to exist it therefore doesn't exist in the background?
Wow... The Emperor must be devastated... all that work for nothing.
At any rate if you had actually read what i had written you would realise that you might have seen a female firewarrior but you might not be able to tell the difference bcause:
A)You are human
B)The armour covers up any physical differences
As for female guard well... I have seen female models.

BluntmanDC wrote:
WOW seriously?

Shadowsun IS a firewarrior, all military tau are fire warriors and as purplefood says how do you know what a non-mammalian alien race with no link to humanity or the crafting of the Old Ones would look like?

All we know is that the only noticable difference between male and female Tau are their heads, and seeing as nearly all fire warrior tau have common sence and wear helmets you wouldn't see any difference between the two, you can be a terrible pedant but your point is moot.

As the the second point, tanith and last chancers are part of the IG range so again your point is moot

My point is that I have necer seen Female FW models ( not commanders but ordinary solders ).
And they are part of IG range, but when someone say "Imperial Guard" we all think about Cadians or Catachans or Krieg.
And I have never seen Guardswoman models that are almost equal in numbers with standard Guard models.

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
WOW seriously?

Shadowsun IS a firewarrior, all military tau are fire warriors and as purplefood says how do you know what a non-mammalian alien race with no link to humanity or the crafting of the Old Ones would look like?

All we know is that the only noticable difference between male and female Tau are their heads, and seeing as nearly all fire warrior tau have common sence and wear helmets you wouldn't see any difference between the two, you can be a terrible pedant but your point is moot.

As the the second point, tanith and last chancers are part of the IG range so again your point is moot

My point is that I have necer seen Female FW models ( not commanders but ordinary solders ).
And they are part of IG range, but when someone say "Imperial Guard" we all think about Cadians or Catachans or Krieg.
And I have never seen Guardswoman models that are almost equal in numbers with standard Guard models.

And our point is that you may have seen female FW models but if you did you probably wouldn't know because the differences are covered up.
And, simply because you have never seen t doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Someone has probably done a fully or mostly female IG force.

Brother Coa wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
WOW seriously?

Shadowsun IS a firewarrior, all military tau are fire warriors and as purplefood says how do you know what a non-mammalian alien race with no link to humanity or the crafting of the Old Ones would look like?

All we know is that the only noticable difference between male and female Tau are their heads, and seeing as nearly all fire warrior tau have common sence and wear helmets you wouldn't see any difference between the two, you can be a terrible pedant but your point is moot.

As the the second point, tanith and last chancers are part of the IG range so again your point is moot

My point is that I have necer seen Female FW models ( not commanders but ordinary solders ).
And they are part of IG range, but when someone say "Imperial Guard" we all think about Cadians or Catachans or Krieg.
And I have never seen Guardswoman models that are almost equal in numbers with standard Guard models.

Because with both Tau and Guard, the fatigues, gear, and armor would obscure any overtly female features.

Despite what people would have you think, body armor doesn't actually 'cup' the breasts.

purplefood wrote:
And our point is that you may have seen female FW models but if you did you probably wouldn't know because the differences are covered up.
And, simply because you have never seen t doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Someone has probably done a fully or mostly female IG force.

So female Tau don't have boobs? And are in body same as men?
Now I would like to see entire IG female force

Brother Coa wrote:My point is that I have necer seen Female FW models ( not commanders but ordinary solders ).

So you are completely ignoring both mine and purplefood's points:

Brother Coa wrote:[So female Tau don't have boobs? And are in body same as men?

Tau are not mammals (only mammals have breasts, do you know anything about biology or the natural world), so why would would they have breasts? only a few tau components are helmetless, which is where you actually can see the gender of the Tau in question, why are you ignoring that point, only humans and eldar are described as having females with breasts and other human ideas of gender.

Brother Coa wrote:And they are part of IG range, but when someone say "Imperial Guard" WE all think about Cadians or Catachans or Krieg.

You do not speak for everyone, i have been into 40k for a while and when i picked up the old, old, IG codex it was the Last Chancers that got me, to me they are the IG.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
And our point is that you may have seen female FW models but if you did you probably wouldn't know because the differences are covered up.
And, simply because you have never seen t doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Someone has probably done a fully or mostly female IG force.

So female Tau don't have boobs? And are in body same as men?
Now I would like to see entire IG female force

Finally...

BluntmanDC wrote:
Tau are not mammals (only mammals have breasts, do you know anything about biology or the natural world), so why would would they have breasts? only a few tau components are helmetless, which is where you actually can see the gender of the Tau in question, why are you ignoring that point, only humans and eldar are described as having females with breasts and other human ideas of gender.

Tau are mamals? Didn't know that. You could say that on the start and save some room in this thread...

Brother Coa wrote:And they are part of IG range, but when someone say "Imperial Guard" WE all think about Cadians or Catachans or Krieg.

You do not speak for everyone, i have been into 40k for a while and when i picked up the old, old, IG codex it was the Last Chancers that got me, to me they are the IG.