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Yep 6th is looking like a great jumping off point

They really are gona shoot them selves in the foot with this one. May be pricing alot of people out of playing. I already think its more expensive than it should be

Possibly. It would Be annoying if it was a really good edition though.

This could be what they are banking on?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Yep 6th is looking like a great jumping off point

Pretty much.

I was worried that Dropzone Commander might be 'too expensive'.

Not anymore!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Yep 6th is looking like a great jumping off point

If the BoW rumors about the fantasy rules being incorporated are true, I believe you may very well be correct.

I still continue buying GW products just solely from discount stores from now on. I tried out Wayland a while back (it's the only one I know of) and was pretty happy.

Are there any others you guys recommend?

WarOne wrote:Do you mean this thread, as we do have that option now in the top right corner of the thread.

I meant here.

NoBaconz4You wrote:I still continue buying GW products just solely from discount stores from now on. I tried out Wayland a while back (it's the only one I know of) and was pretty happy.

Are there any others you guys recommend?

I order from gifts for geeks when I can, only ordered once before but was very happy with the service and have a good discount.

Either them or maelstrom when they give you extra discount vouchers

biccat wrote:

CadianXV wrote:A comprehensive table would probably encourage sales. Confirm that the model I want is increasing in price, and I'll drop the cash on you today, rather than giving you nothing tommorrow.

Because it doesn't encourage sales, it just shifts sales. If you're going to buy a new character Games Workshop would rather have you buy the new character at $12.00 tomorrow than $10.00 today. By informing you of the price increase, they're losing the additional $2 you would normally spend on that character.

At least that's the logic behind it.

My point was more that it can result in customers like me not spending anything, wheras previously they were prepared to purchase product. Informing these customers that a specific price change is occuring would therefore persuade these 'on-the-fence' clients to commit. It will shift sales, but also avoid losing sales.

However I dare say the numbers have been crunched and result in no info=more money.

NoBaconz4You wrote:I still continue buying GW products just solely from discount stores from now on. I tried out Wayland a while back (it's the only one I know of) and was pretty happy.

Are there any others you guys recommend?

I've been very happy with Dark Sphere, placed three or four orders and haven't waited more than about three working days for any of it, on one occasion I emailed asking to add an item to the order, and the way the timing worked meant that they must have sent it before I had paid for it.

That and a blanket 25% off everything GW.

So for 40k:

-13%ish increase on Rhino Hulls
-12% on Land Raiders
-3.5% on the $35 troop boxsets
-24% increase on the Stormraven
-5-6% increase in the $35 Transports

Maybe they just figure all those Marine armies have their vehicles after 5th and need to recoup for the future edition?

I do find it odd that Xenos got a very, very low number of price increases and that none of them are insane while this time it hit the MEQ's hard. Hell Eldar's vehicles didn't move an inch.

Good thing I have 3 Landraiders, 2 Stormravens, and 9 Rhino Hulls just waiting to be assembled. Won't need to pick up anymore pretty much ever

Hulksmash wrote:24% increase on the Stormraven

Given how ugly it looks and how close it'll be in price to the FW Storm Eagle, you might as well just buy FW.

I find it amusing that they think these models are worth as much as Master Grade Gundam models which have hundreds of parts and are fully articulated.

I guess I will wait for the price increase to sell the rest of my stuff online. I am going to start playing Mobile Frame Zero!

Well, looks like I am going to be finish my guard, selling my Tau and buying Khador and Inifinity for now.

Might still get GW paints, and maybe sixth, but I really don't see myself getting a new army at this point.

And starting to question that adepticon trip.

If these take place, which a few websites say are going to happen ... I think I might just sell off what I have and find another hobby.

Yeah that's my biggest gripe too -- the plastic and resin molds are expensive, but given GW's world-wide market the costs for those should be recouped fairly easily.

Look at a model car kit or any other multi-part plastic kit in hobby stores that's not connected to a war-game. the prices are in the 15-20 dollar range for something the size and scale of a rhino. I once bought my kids multi part plastic dinosaurs (bigger than carnifexes) for $5 each.

The point i'm making is that GW purposely drives up the cost of their goods because they're associated with a game. They know people will still buy their product no matter WHAT they charge (look at australia!). Now that they've established the game and have tons of players they're increasing the cost yearly. had they started out at these prices nobody would have tried the game out enough for it to be this successful.

So what we'll see going forward is existing players begrudgingly opening their wallets, instead of buying 2 kits each pay day they may only buy 1 now but they're still spending GW money. New players will be put off by the cost because they haven't gotten addicted to the plastic crack yet, so the player pool will stagnate. Eventually people will get sick of playing the same games over and over and move onto another system. I am upset about this because i expect next year to see another increase, and the year after that another, etc etc. Since GW went public their management practices have really gone down the crapper.

Dont think in 3 years here I've had a single moan re: GW prices but hand on heart even for me now its becoming a bit of a trial.

As someone said maybe 6th is a good place to get off :(

Will these rises further exacerbate the Aussi et al problems or are they UK/US only?

Everytime i see the price increase i cry.
I think i might only ever collect MY sm now.
Starting an army is to much
But i have a question. They arent going to give a price increase to models they just released right? like the SM fine cast or the Triarc stalker?

Still not up to Australian prices...

NoBaconz4You wrote:I still continue buying GW products just solely from discount stores from now on.

And GW will be just as happy that you're buying them online. Worst case, they close the store operating near you (I'm assuming you currently buy from GW stores). Hope you don't game there regularly.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Starting an army is to much

Use 3rd party bits and models and a minimum of GW stuff. Plus, buy models slowly. I can spend less than $50 per month on models and have a full army within a year (and by then I'd have almost half of it painted...)

hotsauceman1 wrote:But i have a question. They arent going to give a price increase to models they just released right? like the SM fine cast or the Triarc stalker?

IIRC they did last year.

Infinity, Flames of War, Dust Tactics...there's a whole world of non-GW wargaming out there. Don't be afraid to take the red pill.

Talarn Blackshard wrote:If these take place, which a few websites say are going to happen ... I think I might just sell off what I have and find another hobby.

I hope you aren't going to abandon miniatures and wargaming entirely! There is a whole, massive range of other companies who offer far cheaper alternatives. In a number of cases, they offer what many people regard as a better gaming experience and miniatures too.

Have a look further down the opening page on Dakka (under 'Other Games') but in a nutshell, type any of these names into Google:
- Infinity (I'm biased and have put this first, simply because I think it has the most intuitive and well play-tested ruleset and game mechanics ever made, and the models are gorgeous!)
- Warmachine/Hordes, GW main competitor, I've heard reports that they have almost equalled GW's market share in the US, so you should find other players easily.
- Flames of War, if you are a fan of WW2, working in an independent store I found this was a popular choice for older gamers who wanted to move on from GW stuff.
- Mantic - If you still want to play GW games, these offer comparable minis at a far cheaper rate which you can sub in. For example, their 'Undead' and 'Orc' ranges sub in perfectly for the WFB equivalents. They also have a couple of their own games, Warpath and Kings of War, which by all accounts are fun to play.

There are many others, no doubt I have missed a few but off the top of my head: Dystopian Wars, Malifaux, Firestorm Armada, Bushido, Heavy Gear, Helldorado, Sedition Wars.

I think it would be a dreadful shame to give up on the 'hobby' (which extends far beyond GW's borders) just because of one company's complete disregard for their fanbase.

The link that I keep seeing for "May 28th" doesn't sound like it's true. They increased prices and released finecast last year on May 28th, a Saturday. They release everything on a Saturday, if anything it's more likely to be June 2nd. I know we've got "store owners" saying that an increase is coming for June 4th, why would they suddenly shift from Saturday changes to Mondays?

I'm so glad that I'm 99.999% done buying any GW miniatures. I haven't actually bought anything "new" in over 2 years and the stuff I'm looking for is single minis here and there to complete collections and half of those are FW minis.

I agree with other posters that this will make choices easier for people when looking at games like Infinity, D.U.S.T., Dropzone, etc...

$82 for a Stormraven is just..... I can't even imagine..... I wouldn't even pay the $66 for it and hunted/waited for 30% off of that price.

We always see lots of cries about GW pricing people out and how for others that "this is the last straw", but this time I actually *believe* those people.

olympia wrote:Infinity, Flames of War, Dust Tactics...there's a whole world of non-GW wargaming out there. Don't be afraid to take the red pill.

Pacific wrote:

Talarn Blackshard wrote:If these take place, which a few websites say are going to happen ... I think I might just sell off what I have and find another hobby.

I hope you aren't going to abandon miniatures and wargaming entirely! There is a whole, massive range of other companies who offer far cheaper alternatives. In a number of cases, they offer what many people regard as a better gaming experience and miniatures too.

Have a look further down the opening page on Dakka (under 'Other Games') but in a nutshell, type any of these names into Google:
- Infinity (I'm biased and have put this first, simply because I think it has the most intuitive and well play-tested ruleset and game mechanics ever made, and the models are gorgeous!)
- Warmachine/Hordes, GW main competitor, I've heard reports that they have almost equalled GW's market share in the US, so you should find other players easily.
- Flames of War, if you are a fan of WW2, working in an independent store I found this was a popular choice for older gamers who wanted to move on from GW stuff.
- Mantic - If you still want to play GW games, these offer comparable minis at a far cheaper rate which you can sub in. For example, their 'Undead' and 'Orc' ranges sub in perfectly for the WFB equivalents. They also have a couple of their own games, Warpath and Kings of War, which by all accounts are fun to play.

There are many others, no doubt I have missed a few but off the top of my head: Dystopian Wars, Malifaux, Firestorm Armada, Bushido, Heavy Gear, Helldorado, Sedition Wars.

I think it would be a dreadful shame to give up on the 'hobby' (which extends far beyond GW's borders) just because of one company's complete disregard for their fanbase.

The main problem I am going to have is finding a game locally that has a strong following, or any following really outside of 40k/fantasy. I think War Machines and/or Hordes might work out for me but Im still on the fence about it. Not sure costwise how it compares.

I'm not going to stop playing 40K, i'll even shell out $75-80 dollars for the rule book when 6th comes out. However my rate of purchase will definitely decrease, and I'll have to think really hard whether or not i need any more rhino based tanks. Hopefully 6th gives a buff to infantry so they don't need transports as badly as before.

It puts a bad taste in my mouth but i can't stop chasing the GW dragon.

I'm glad I no longer buy WFB/40K stuff anymore.

A few paints, BL novels & some very small epic purchases here & there and that's it, the rest they can keep.

The Only good thing about the price rises for me, is that the more things go up, the more I save by not buying them.

Nice one GW - my bank account loves you!

Is this what it is like to live in Australia, minus the beaches?

A lot of people said they would throw in the towel with the new GW paints too...

@Talarn

WM/H depends on what you wanna build and the local point level really. Some armies I thought looked fun at 35pts cost as much as a 1,500pt 40k army before the increase. But if you avoid lots of infantry and the calvary it's reasonable. On a model per model basis WM/H is on par or more expensive than GW but since you don't need as many it balances out (again unless you like the infantry and calvary).

@Thread

I'll keep playing 40k. I'm looking forward to 6th. But I'm in a place where I have as many of all the large models as I'll likely ever use (3 LR, 2 SR, 9+ Rhino Hulls) so it doesn't really matter to me on that scale. Maybe that is the reason for the push on the marine models. 5th has been a transport & marine edition. Almost every player I know playing MEQ's has already filled up on this stuff. And 6th may take the wind out of transport spam so maybe there is reason for the rhino hull increase.

I do worry it'll limit the number of new players and I'm hoping for a fun 6th edition. Basically at this point I generally build foot armies anyway and this price increase doesn't really affect them (or if it does it's reasonable at 3-4%).

I'm beside myself at the thought of these prices going so high. The hobby is already far too expensive and I'm at my limits for what I'm willing to pay. $79.00 (after sales tax) for a Land Raider is too much, I just can't bring myself to pay that. I don't feel like I'm getting enough of a return in value and/or pleasure paying that much.

I speculate that we're seeing hyper inflation from a collapsing European economy.