Mantic Kings of War Kickstarter - Completed! - 20 new plastic units and 8 new characters are funded!

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**scarletsquig**

^ That's not what my original post says. I don't even know where on earth Kroot dredged up that quote from.

Probably from some random post somewhere in the middle of this thread?

Whatever, the first post is accurate on that point, and has been for at least the last 2 weeks. If there's any errors in the first post let me know and I'll add a clarification, as you can probably tell from the number of edits I've already picked up a few points where my wording could have been more precise, and that was one of them.

**Dysartes**

xole wrote:I would assume they meant, "every backer who gets a rulebook and dice now gets a signed rulebook and mantic splat dice".

Looks like someone asked for clarity on that over on Kickstarter - it'll be interesting to see what the answer is.

xole wrote:Why are you doing this?

Apparently Kroot has an issue with a company using a valid fundraising source to enhance their development - especially when they reach over 1200% of their original target...

**BrookM**

Report, ignore, carry on.

**Dysartes**

scarletsquig wrote:^ That's not what my original post says. I don't even know where on earth Kroot dredged up that quote from.

Probably from some random post somewhere in the middle of this thread?

In fairness to Kroot, that is what is currently posted in update 7 on the Kickstarter. As I noted in my last post, someone has already asked for further clarity on this point.

**Kroothawk**

It is a totally precise, legally binding promise. Not my fault they made a promise they can hardly keep.
BTW here your quote:

scarletsquig wrote:New Update posted, major news here:

We've been running this Kickstarter for two reasons - 1) to help fund the development of new miniature kits for Kickstarter and 2) to reward you guys for your support! So far, every backer will get a signed copy of the Kings of War Hardback Rulebook and upgraded Mantic Splat dice. Everyone who has pledged $100 or more will receive:

- A free Orc Chariot/Fight Wagon

- Your name immortalised in the Kings of War Hardback Rulebook

- A free electronic version of the Kings of War Hardback Rulebook

- A signed Lithoprint of the Mantica Map

- a free ticket to our Mantic Party in September

But, that's not enough for us and, as detailed in this week's upcoming newsletter - we want to give you more!

So, here's what we're planning:

If we hit the $65,000 level, we will do a new unit every $10,000 until we get to $95,000. These will be:

- $75,000 - Trolls
- $85,000 - Mummies
- $95,000 - Gargoyles/Harpies

At $100,000 we will sculpt the Undead Skeleton with Dog – and give one free to everyone with a pledge over $100.

At that level we will also do a limited edition run of the wound markers in blue acrylic plastic – and these will be unique to Kickstarter subscribers!
What's in it for me?

One of the challenges the Kickstarter presented is that we cannot give away extra units at the $100 level, it just isn’t feasible. Jan Novak however, has come up with a solution:

- Any pledge of $100 or more will receive one of the new figures each time we pass the stretch goal

- Any pledge of $175 or more will receive a complete unit of the new figures as we reach the goal, and a free limited edition Undead Standard Bearer.

- Any pledges over $225 will receive one of every unit – including the Werewolves and one unit of the Ogres, one of any hero model that gets sculpted as a result of the Kickstarter and the free limited edition Undead Army Standard Bearer.

Please note these are for values, not specific pledge levels. If your pledge is over the qualifying level you will get the rewards from that point.

For example: If you order the $110 Veteran and add a $75 army set from the extras you will qualify over the $175 level (you’d be at $185) and get all the $175 rewards.

So, that's the plan going forwards! Please continue to support Mantic and tell lots of people about it - the more backers we get, the more free stuff we can give you!

**scarletsquig**

Well, quoting my post made it look like there was an error with my post rather than the kickstarter itself. Turns out there was, but only because I was quoting Mantic's error!

Well-spotted, Kroot - look likes they've now edited the wording it to make it clear that the signed rulebook and upgraded dice are only for people with a rulebook and dice in their order.

Gotta be careful with these things, they get confusing fast!

Anyway, the backing seems to have picked up nicely now that they've got a really solid plan up to $100k, should hit $65k tommorow at this rate, then onwards to trolls.

The free mini for $100+ backers and free unit for $175+ on all of the new stretch goals is a great idea.

**Cyporiean**

Amazing how you can ask a company a question when something isn't clear, and they'll fix it.

**Slinky**

Looks like it's been updated to be clearer now, Kroot can go back to lurking and gnawing his knuckles in annoyance at the success of this Kickstarter.

**Kroothawk**

I go back lurking and may even have helped Mantic with my post.

**Alpharius**

Kroothawk's seemingly irrational hatred of Mantic gets in the way of his usually more reasoned and impartial ability to impart the news of the day.

I wish I knew what his problem with Mantic was all about.

**AlexHolker**

Cyporiean wrote:Amazing how you can ask a company a question when something isn't clear, and they'll fix it.

On that point, could someone pass on my interest in what the "Gargoyles/Harpies" are going to look like? If Mantic gives the right answer, I'll be interested in contributing once they get close.

**darkPrince010**

I personally am hoping the undead Revenant Cavalry are skellies or somesuch riding big dire wolves, as this will both be a unique model (Usually see gobbo wolf riders for fantasy minis), and serve to act as an alternative for black knights, dire wolves, and mounts for thunderwolf cavalry. I'd buy it just for skellies on wolves, but doing it like that instead of skeletons on skeletal horses would be a nice change.

Alternatively, they could do the Soul Reavers as vampires or wraiths or what have you on the wolves instead.

**AlexHolker**

Thanks for posting the question, Cyporiean. Unfortunately it sounds like I'll be getting my answer later rather than sooner.

**Duncan_Idaho**

Revenant Cavalry has already been released way back (skellies on skeletal horses).

**Makaleth**

Regardless of peoples views on this particular Kickstarter, this is becoming very good for backers and the company (I hope).

This is A LOT of increased model production, and as I am now definitely being a $175 backer, that is A LOT of models

Think about this,

$110 gets

6 Werewolves
6 Ogres
3 Ogre Shooters
1 Ork Chariot

Plus $25 for 6 Ogres, plus $25 for 6 Ogre Shooters and plus $15 for shipping

In total
21 Ogres, 6 Werewolves, 1 Chariot and the other bits!

Now it could be
another Mounted Standard bearers and potentially more at every point we pass... that's HEAPS

**Fenriswulf**

So does the $175 pledge work even if $15 of that is for postage? I am hoping so, and will likely have to change my pledge methinks...

**Makaleth**

Nothing says it doesn't, it should be treated like an added extra

**Fenriswulf**

In that case I am in for $175. Likely that I will go for extra ogres as I can't see myself needing more than 6 werewolves at a time. 12 would be overkill. Here's hoping we make the stretch goals!

**Azazelx**

I'm going to have to rework my planned pledge, methinks.

The revenant cavalry are quite nice models, IMO. I don't own any at this stage, and can't see a way to get them without stuff I don't want/need in this KS unfortunately.

**Cyporiean**

Send them a msg stating what you'd want to get, I'm sure they will be happy to work with you.

**Duncan_Idaho**

Don´t send a message!

All plegders will get a message at the end wherein they can´state what exactly they want.

If we hit 85k I will have to up my pledge.

**Azazelx**

What happens at 85k?

Or are you pulling an "I know something you don't know! - neener neener!" type thing? Because that kind of thing is pretty immature.

**AlexHolker**

scipio.au wrote:What happens at 85k?

Mummies.

I'm waiting for 95k - well-done Mummies are something I like in an academic sense, but not in a "I want to buy this" sense. The "Gargoyles/Harpies" are either going to be something I don't like, something I like in an academic sense or the first Mantic models I want to buy.

Also, I'm glad to see this:

Finally, once the Kickstarter ends we will be in touch to see what your pledges were for, and we will try to be as flexible as we can be.

For example:

* At Commander level if you want 4000 points of the same army, instead of 4 different 1000 point ones (or any mix thereof) – this is no problem. You’ll still get all the benefits if a high level pledge, but you can sub in and out armies.

* We have two levels of armies – pure plastics and elite with metal and plastic – they cannot sub between, but just add $50 to your pledge level per 1000 points and you can upgrade from basic to elite

* If you have a request please just email to us on: <insert email> We will have someone answering queries quickly and we are happy to be as flexible as we can be to get you the army and the models you want.

Hopefully this extends to the stretch rewards - if you can swap out all those free Orc and Undead models for things you can actually use in your choice of Good army, that will do away with one of the big problems I had with the all-Kings of War Kickstarter.

**lord marcus**

Just passed 70k

**Azazelx**

Fenriswulf wrote:So does the $175 pledge work even if $15 of that is for postage? I am hoping so, and will likely have to change my pledge methinks...

Can someone confirm this one way or the other?

**scarletsquig**

^ They've answered that question on the Kickstarter page.

Mantic Games wrote:@ Doug - Andrew is correct, the $15 needs to be on top and doesn't count towards rewards.

$15 shipping has to be on top, doesn't count towards your total pledge amount.

Also, we're only $3k away from Trolls!

This thing is moving at quite a nice speed now that a giant pile of free miniatures are up for grabs.

In the Mantic newsletter, they've also laid out some plans for post- $100k stretch goals (these are just ideas in no particular order currently), so if this does go further than $100k, we'll see some of the following:

- Forest Shamblers for the Elves.
- Abyssal Dwarfs in Restic
- Dwarf Cavalry
- Goblin Mincer
- Goblin Fleabag cavalry
- Palace Guard in Restic
- Snow Vampire White and her 7 undead dwarfs!

**kenshin620**

Errr Dwarf cavalry? That doesnt fit WFB!

But hey Forest Shamblers would be cool. But I'm more interested if they were....say ogre sized

**sparkywtf**

I want Snow Vampire White and her 7 undead dwarfs!

Talk about an awesome set.

**Dysartes**

That does sound pretty cool.

I wonder what sort of mount Mantic would give to Dwarf Cavalry.

**kenshin620**

Dysartes wrote:I wonder what sort of mount Mantic would give to Dwarf Cavalry.

Well theres really only 2 really popular(ish) ones I can think of

Fantasy Steam Rollers/Tanks
Bears (because they live in caves?)