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So frustrating. I really like all the new Necron characters. I think they're great sculpts. I will not buy Finecost though.

Too bad the assassin is still the same '90's figure that looks like a cheeky toddler snapping one off in his pants and grinning about it...

Panic wrote:yeah,
For the most part the studio models are never finecast or metal. But pre-production resin copies..
so GW photos are never a true representation of what your getting and probabily cover in the small print as contents may vary...

I wasn't aware of this until a few months ago. I do get somewhat irked by companies that only show greens or rendered sculpts of their miniatures.

Fine before they have the item but once a particular model is in production they should paint one of those up - I'm sure GW could afford to do the same.

As to the new Necron - I like the look of them.

Was hoping to see some new cool tau units. To be honest I'm a litlle dissapointed they only made them finecast and didn't change anything...

Subject: GW 40k July releases

Okay, it's mid-July (Bastille Day), so where is the list of August releases already? I want my Chaos!

Nope.

I like all the new Necron characters, but there's no way in hell that I'm getting models with such thin staff weapons in Finecast. In all the blisters I've seen they look like grey spaghetti. At least with metal you could bend them back into shape.

You can bend finecast models back to almost perfect with a good hair dryer or heat gun and pacience.

So with this finecrap release of Ork Meganobz, is the rumoured 5x plastic meganobz plain wishlisting or is this more brilliant marketing on GWs part? On that note, have there been any finecraped models that they have switched to plastic afterwards?

On that note, have there been any finecraped models that they have switched to plastic afterwards?

Hive Tyrant is probably the best example. It was an early finecast then got a plastic kit about a year after.

Question is, why haven't they re released the long out of production straight shoota meganob? Surely they still have the mould or master knocking around?

Ork Big Guns are a travesty. Why the hell do you up the cost 30% and not include a new kit? Or at least the ability to have all three guns in one kit? Is it really that hard....

These units are dirt cheap, but cost $1 per point...?

REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

1. They're $22.25. Check your little flag and make sure it's not set to Australia. This happens a lot and we get a thread about it every week or two from someone who mistakes the Australian prices as a price hike.
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

^Aye all my finecast models have been good

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

1. They're $22.25. Check your little flag and make sure it's not set to Australia. This happens a lot and we get a thread about it every week or two from someone who mistakes the Australian prices as a price hike.
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

You shouldn't have to cover up anything with the World's Greatest Miniatures at the World's Highest prices!

stormboy wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

You can blame GW for claiming to have reinvented the wheel here, and then charging a lot more for it - when in reality well, you know... (OK, maybe you don't, but a lot of other people do!)

It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

Matt.Kingsley wrote:^Aye all my finecast models have been good

You should consider yourself incredibly lucky - have you played the lottery lately?

No, and me, lucky? I fail at EVERY competiton based on luck around

stormboy wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

battlematt wrote:REALLY 30$ for mega nobz. You have got to be out of your everloving mind to charge that. I would never pay that, well maybe if they were made from silver. DIE FAILCAST JUST DIE!!

2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

Sorry but there is enough evidence seen to the contrary. Bty I but have had good and bad casts from fincast.

Now about the comment of getting over it? Not going to happen. Doubt it ever going to happen, so I reckon you as well will just have to deal with it yourself. Fine cast is not the same resin based product I am used too. Maybe GW should be lessons from the companies such as Bandai or Tamiya. And by the way I have purchased Resin kits that have cost hundreds of dollars from other companies and have little or no issue than what I have seen and purchased from GW. It is not the sculpts in question but the quality of the material being use for the final product that is in question.

There is no excuse for a shoddy product being sold. Period.

The only finecast I've bought are some sternguard.

Even though they're only 5 models, one of them had a significant portion of his foot cratered in.

I've tried to fix it with green stuff, but it's still very noticable, particularly due to the sole of the boot.

I'd be very wary about these necron dudes, really.

Adam LongWalker wrote:There is no excuse for a shoddy product being sold. Period.

Especially when:

A). The process of creating resin models isn't exactly new.
B). There are dozens of companies that do it already and I've not encountered the same problems from any of them.
C). One of GW's own sub-companies, Forge World, makes resin that isn't error free but at the same time isn't the complete nightmare that Finecost is.
D). They have the balls to put the price up on these ancient fething models when nothing has changed other than them being made from a cheaper material and with greater levels of flaws/miscasts.

As there are already ...oh...about a billion threads on the different subjective opinions about finecast, can we please NOT repeat that here?

Regarding the new models ...

Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

Could they just have been selling a lot of the old ones?
Or do people think this may be a sign they could come back in the new dex?

Also, I was curious as to why shadowsun got a new model, and farsight did not...

Speculative thoughts?

davethepak wrote:Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

People can use them as Stealth Suits I guess.

Brother SRM wrote:
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

GW no longer sends replacements of FC models to my address without us first shipping the messed up models back to them. My girlfriend bought a box of Fire Dragons and a box of Rangers. Both boxes had significant flaws. So did their replacements. And their replacements. And those replacements. After 4 boxes, she finally received 5 fire dragons that could be fielded (if she combined the models from different boxes), but continued to complain about the rangers as two of them kept getting messed up. Broken rifles, rifles bent back on themselves, severe pitting. We tried the "bend it back" method with hot water and snapped every barrel. They sent replacements for the specific models that were still messed up. Those had liquid green stuff to fill in the gaps, because even hand picking the models they couldn't find good ones. Even GW has its limits for replacements, so sadly your "just get it replaced and get free models!" advice doesn't work. We've stopped buying Finecost, period. I only buy GW if its in a store on the shelf. Of course it's cheaper online, but at a store I'm: 1. helping my LGS, and 2. assured that GW has already gotten its money, and thus will be making no profit from my dollar. Especially since many of my LGS have stopped keeping a continuous stock of GW products on their shelves, any future orders would be special order on a case by case basis.

At this point GW would have to release dwarves and wood elves tomorrow with the fluffiest, most balanced, and fun to play army books EVAR for me to want to give them money again. 16 hours, 10 minutes, GW. Go.

stormboy wrote:
It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

There's also a saying about people who assume everyone else is lying just because they haven't had any problems. It can't be repeated in polite company, though.

TBD wrote:

davethepak wrote:Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

People can use them as Stealth Suits I guess.

The stealthsuit entry in the Tau codex isn't specific to the XV25. The XV15 is still a legal stealthsuit, it just doesn't have the same modelling options as the XV25 kit. In the Apoc book (or maybe Apoc Reloaded...can't remember off the top of my head) there is a stealthsuit formation, the command squad of which utilizes the XV15 suits because they are lighter and more agile than the XV25s. I imagine that perhaps in the next Tau codex release that they will delineate between the two suits...or perhaps not. That aside, they definitely provide an option to change up the look of your army a bit.

I don't have an issue with people complaining about Finecast so long as they're getting inferior product. It's a boring, repetitive topic, but whatever. What I do have a problem with is people using the bevvy of unfunny, overused, and frankly irritating nicknames for it, and then insist on using said terms a year later.

Brother SRM wrote:
2. Failcast? People are still doing this? It's not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. Call GW and get free extra models if yours turn out to be bad casts, then fix up the messed up ones and you've got yourself some extra models. They're Orks anyway, so even if the armor is pockmarked or messed up you can just cover it up with extra armor plates from Ork plastic kits, of which there are many.

Seriously?

By definition all 40K models represent people in a war so ALL fincast flaws should just be excused as free battle damage right?

I agree: the fincast jokes ARE getting old, but so are the excuses/rationalizations from the apologists.

If you are gonna charge premium product prices then you'd better be delivering premium quality goods.

If finecast was a cheaper price point I could live with the flaws, but don't tell me I'm getting the "finest" with a grin on your face as you take my money and hand me a ganky model...

spectreoneone wrote:

TBD wrote:

davethepak wrote:Any one have any ideas on why they would bother with making tau xv15 suits considering they are not even in the codex?

People can use them as Stealth Suits I guess.

The stealthsuit entry in the Tau codex isn't specific to the XV25. The XV15 is still a legal stealthsuit, it just doesn't have the same modelling options as the XV25 kit. In the Apoc book (or maybe Apoc Reloaded...can't remember off the top of my head) there is a stealthsuit formation, the command squad of which utilizes the XV15 suits because they are lighter and more agile than the XV25s. I imagine that perhaps in the next Tau codex release that they will delineate between the two suits...or perhaps not. That aside, they definitely provide an option to change up the look of your army a bit.

This^. Personally I prefer the look of the XV15 suits. I also run Farsight lists so it's more fluffy that he would have the older XV15 suit rather than the newer XV25s.

lord_blackfang wrote:

stormboy wrote:
It is awfully strange that so many people complain about Finecast, yet I haven't had any real problems with any of the Finecast models I have purchased. In fact, the small amount of bubbles were easily taken care of - much faster than scraping the mold lines off metal.

Oh well... I guess there is a saying about haters....

There's also a saying about people who assume everyone else is lying just because they haven't had any problems. It can't be repeated in polite company, though.

Actually, I just assume that 1/6 people actually have had a real problem and the rest are just posturing.

Maybe the New England Finecast models are just better. Out of my entire gaming community there have been 3 or 4 serious flaws. But whenever I come to dakka, every discussion is plagued with the terrors of the Finecast problems.

Not only is it tiresome - but most people are saying they are blatantly not purchasing it - so why does every thread dissolve into meaningless "Finecast smells like bad cheese!" anecdotes?

Blah - I will endeavor not to get sucked into it again, so as not to offend the naysayers.