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Just want to point out in ep iv the gang is being chased by 3 isds and han takes evasive action... And banks slowly to the left. Point being the isds couldnt hit a slowly turning ship.

All SW weapons i've ever seen with exception of maybe Beam style lasers the blasts travel rather slowly and are comparable to a bullet or a dang slow one for that matter.'

Turbo laser blasts in space are strangly slow too.

It would be an incredibly boring movie if the bolts moved at their actual velocity, as you wouldn't be able to see them then the majority of the time.

2. First Death star took between episode 3 and episode 4 to build, CRIKEY Luke must;ve grown up quickly in 3 years.

The Death Star 2 from the sixth film is constructed and "fully operational" within the space of three years.

From this we can calculate the power output generated by other weapons in BFG: A nova has a maximum potential of 6 damage compared to a weapon battery which has the potential for 1 damage.

This isn't really all that applicable as game mechanics don't really transfer well into reality, ie, a Space Marine in power armour having the same strength as a built Catachan.

In reference to the whole Naval debate, it seems reasonably likely that the IN would arrive at let's say, a fuel dump or a staging area. This would force the Star Wars fleet to either respond in force to save the vulnerable area thus getting into fight that the IN would likely win through sheer weight in fire. Or the SW fleet could leave the engaged area alone, loosing a percentage of manpower and resources. This would mean that the SW fleet would either defend their other vulnerable areas thereby decreasing their offensive capability or slowly bleed to death through a series of operations like the afore-mentioned scenario.

Actually it would likely work in the opposite, it takes roughly a week or so for SW ships to traverse the Galaxy, the equivalent for IoM ships is months if not years. So by means of Local Superiority it would almost always be to the advantage of the SW side. So while the IoM fleet is in the warp trying to get to the ship yards, assume transit time of a month, the SWs fleet could have crossed the Galaxy and come back twice. Hyperspace beats the pants off of Warp Drive, essentially it's like fighting horse archers with heavy infantry.

Just want to point out in ep iv the gang is being chased by 3 isds and han takes evasive action... And banks slowly to the left. Point being the isds couldnt hit a slowly turning ship.

And I would like to point out plot armour. Wouldn't be much of a movie if Han got blown up in the first 20 minutes.

 Kaldor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:
Mechanicum mentions that asKITARRI ship takes over a day to travel from Earth to Mars.

Which would give it a lazy old average speed of nine million kilometers per hour.

Simple fact is SW ships lack the capability to travel at the speeds necessary to compete with the Imperium.

And that quote shows that that's simply not true. 1. It doesn't state that the ship made the journey in 24 hours- it says "more than a day", meaning it could have been two or even three days. 2. A Star Wars ship wouldn't take that long to reach Mars from Earth, thus implying that the speed gap you keep mentioning isn't as deep as you're trying to assert. The Millenium Falcon traveled from Hoth to Bespin with no hyper-drive in only a couple of days, and that's with the Falcon hiding inside a giant worm for awhile and on the back of Star Destroyer adding time to the trip. Considering that Bespin is two solar systems away from Hoth, that would mean that without using a hyperdrive, the Falcon managed to travel a farrrrrrrrrr faaaaaaaaar greater distance than the ships I mentioned above, and in much less time.

Simply put, you claim that Imperium ships move much faster than Star Wars ships, yet it's never been shown nor stated that it takes SW ships anywhere near a day to travel from a distance such as Earth to Mars, whereas there are several BL sources that imply as much for Imperium ships.

True, game stats are not always the most accurate, but this is a game not a movie meaning that if anything i would assume the fluff to be wrong not the game. Besides the fluff for BFG (while not always accurate as all fluff ) describes the nova as equivalent to more than a dozen plasma bombs, the primary weapon of imperial bombers which although powerful were proven inferior to direct fire weaponery. I know that this is terrably inaccurate and honestly i know nothing about calculating this crap im shooting in the dark here . i however also dont see them building such similarly sized ships and their destructive abilities being so different :/ reguardless i love the back ground for both of these.

Earth to mars is also dependant on their position, the type of ship, how fast they want to get there...

To be completely honest 1,200,000 million units has long been debated whether or not it is actually 1 trooper or something more. Judging by the evidence supplied I would go with the ladder considering the number of driod numbered in the quintillions. 1200000 would not be close to accurate. To be honest I would say that clone would win on the basis that
1. They are bred for war
2. I would say more advanced weapons (ex a clone troopers rifle has a range of several kilometers without any adjustments and the fact that the troopers rifle can blow a .5m hole into a solid feracrete wall pretty much is more advanced than guardsmen weapons plus its plasma)
3. They don't need commissars(imperial guardsmen tend to have low morale/ run from battle sometimes)
4. Unlike the Imperial guard the clone can essentially fight in any type of warfare ( that is the usual tatics of the guard tend to revolve around the heavy use of armor formations and siege warfare)
5. Clone are not used as cannon fodder (which occurs with the orders of the Imperial generals)
6 The Imperial guard essentially has a few notable armies (example the death korps, cadians etc) which are good but does not make up the bulk of the imperial guard which results in many armies being essentially worthless or less than efficient compared to those armies (ex the betrayal on caida during the 13th black crusade

Very interesting topic! I like these.

I play DKOK army, with LotD attatched, & an Imperial Knight.

Guard have numbers, are only human, have lots of vehicles, have psychers (sometimes they can use them?)...

Clone troopers are bio-engineered to ignore fear, pain, and will always obey orders. The basic clone trooper is geared like the best guard trooper. They have Jedi leading them. They have more advanced weapons & tech & vehicles.

Clones would trump guard 9/10 times. I think Clones versus Space Marines might be a closer poll in comparison...


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IMHO

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:
Mechanicum mentions that asKITARRI ship takes over a day to travel from Earth to Mars.

Which would give it a lazy old average speed of nine million kilometers per hour.

Simple fact is SW ships lack the capability to travel at the speeds necessary to compete with the Imperium.

And that quote shows that that's simply not true. 1. It doesn't state that the ship made the journey in 24 hours- it says "more than a day", meaning it could have been two or even three days. 2. A Star Wars ship wouldn't take that long to reach Mars from Earth, thus implying that the speed gap you keep mentioning isn't as deep as you're trying to assert. The Millenium Falcon traveled from Hoth to Bespin with no hyper-drive in only a couple of days, and that's with the Falcon hiding inside a giant worm for awhile and on the back of Star Destroyer adding time to the trip. Considering that Bespin is two solar systems away from Hoth, that would mean that without using a hyperdrive, the Falcon managed to travel a farrrrrrrrrr faaaaaaaaar greater distance than the ships I mentioned above, and in much less time.

Simply put, you claim that Imperium ships move much faster than Star Wars ships, yet it's never been shown nor stated that it takes SW ships anywhere near a day to travel from a distance such as Earth to Mars, whereas there are several BL sources that imply as much for Imperium ships.

To be honest space travel in both worlds would inherently put each other at disadvantages. SW in 40k would have no clue the mapping of the galaxy and thus would have very slow space travel. 40k in SW wouldn't have warp travel (probably) and thus lose. If they did, then they are slower admittedly they would be on the offensive so it wouldn't matter as much (but SW would be able to respond faster).


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deathgod1990 wrote:
To be completely honest 1,200,000 million units has long been debated whether or not it is actually 1 trooper or something more. Judging by the evidence supplied I would go with the ladder considering the number of driod numbered in the quintillions. 1200000 would not be close to accurate. To be honest I would say that clone would win on the basis that
1. They are bred for war
2. I would say more advanced weapons (ex a clone troopers rifle has a range of several kilometers without any adjustments and the fact that the troopers rifle can blow a .5m hole into a solid feracrete wall pretty much is more advanced than guardsmen weapons plus its plasma)
3. They don't need commissars(imperial guardsmen tend to have low morale/ run from battle sometimes)
4. Unlike the Imperial guard the clone can essentially fight in any type of warfare ( that is the usual tatics of the guard tend to revolve around the heavy use of armor formations and siege warfare)
5. Clone are not used as cannon fodder (which occurs with the orders of the Imperial generals)
6 The Imperial guard essentially has a few notable armies (example the death korps, cadians etc) which are good but does not make up the bulk of the imperial guard which results in many armies being essentially worthless or less than efficient compared to those armies (ex the betrayal on caida during the 13th black crusade

1. Yeah gotta agree with you there. IG have some but it is much more variable (DKoK is an example of one that is bred)
2. I wouldn't quite say that. Clone Trooper plasma probably isn't Imperial Guard tier plasma although it might be. That's the problem. We can't really judge. Both seem to have comedically bad armor and pretty sub sttandard guns
3. To be fair IG go against far worse things than Clone Troopers every day
4. I agree with you here! No matter what, IG are forced to struggle more with combined arms methods
5. I'll have to say the movies don't make that convincing (really they are cannon fodder. Clones are treated like sub-human to be tossed around to fight the droids)
6. This isn't really quite fair considering IG really means everything from terribly press ganged to service to super trained


Anyways, as per the victory. I think SW have the advantage in equal number conflicts however when it comes to long scale battles SW just doesn't have enough boots to make it (keep in mind many Imperial planets are heavily deffended from the get-go)

Yeah, basically, I'll give it to the clones in equal numbers almost any days, but the IG can afford to outnumber the clone a thousand to one and not really care.

If we assume equal numbers and equal resources committed (Equal total resources, not equal percentage of all resources available to the factions) the Clones roll over the Guardsmen.

Bearing in mind the technological superiority of the Star Wars setting... Surely stating how useless clone armour is when its used to resist the type of advanced laser weaponry in the Star Wars universe is a bit pointless?

Las carbines are mass produced in their billions, and are prone to numerous faults if it even works when you get it. Couple that with some hardwearing fatigues, slap a mass produced cheap flak vest on your average joe conscripted human who probably doesn't even want to be there and you have your average Imperial Guard grunt.

Now take an army of clones who were genetically copied from a galaxy-notorious warrior. They were grown and shaped to be soldiers, are capable of incredible battlefield synergy (they all think fairly similarly I would imagine) and have access to the best armour and equipment which was also commissioned along with the army, and produced in an era where mankind is NOT in the middle of a technological regression comparable to the Dark Ages.

We're all fans of Imperial Guard, and it's no secret that they are the underdogs and win through sheer weight of numbers, but on any given battlefield with no numerical advantage on either side, the Clones will win hands down.

My two cents

The training of the Clones more closely matches the warrior-monk aesthetics of the Space Marines than it does the basic combat training of the Imperial Guard.

I would say, to you OP, set the stage for this poll -

Jungle planet, hills, rivers, clear skies, no other dangers to consider....

100 guard with 10 heavy weapons, 100 kasrkin, 10 leman russ', 10 Valkyries, 1 imperial knight, 1 psyker, 10 walkers...

versus

100 clone troopers with 10 heavy weapons, 100 clone commandoes, 10 clone tanks, 10 gunships, 1 at-te, 1 sith or jedi, 10 walkers...

no backup, no other super weapons, unlimited ammo, no chemical/biological.....

Now who'd win?

I think the closest match to Jango Fett, who is knotorious throughout the galaxy for being a ruthless and skilled bounty hunter and assassin, would be an Imperial Assassin. Same ruthlessness, quick thinking, and combat prowess.

Now consider creating an army of soldiers with the same genetic makeup as an Imperial Assassin and pitching them against an army of grunts as young as twelve who can barely hold their rifle...

Imperial Guard wins by weight of numbers. Clone Troopers have access to far superior technology, though. In a "fair" fight, the Clones would take it.

It should also be noted that the Clone Trooper's weapons can be used in a variety of functions, not just as lethal munitions. Also, their bog-standard medipacs are light-years beyond anything (short of a Psyker magically healing people) the Imperium can field, and can return injured soldiers to the battle in a matter of minutes to hours, at worst, rather than requiring medical evac and long recuperative periods.

There were 3 million clones made & an equal number of support droids and personnel...

Also consider how quickly the Grand Army expanded. In a single year, at least 1.8 million clone troopers were produced (that is combat ready & all!) -- probably more than that, to account for losses among the original 1.2 million clones.

Also, consider that the Grand Army of the Republic wasn't designed to win a war. The entirety of the Clone Wars is all smoke and mirrors, plotted by Darth Sidious to justify his attempt to take over the Republic. *** In order for the ruse to work, the clones couldn't be too good or too numerous, or they'd be able to take down the Separatists in a fair fight. ***

Now Imperial Stormtroopers actually numbered tens of trillions of regular army soldiers, trillions of fleet crew, and of stormtroopers.

If you actually look at the Star Wars canon/fluff, Storm Troopers are actually boss. It's just the movies that make them look bad. Also, if the movies were made now, Storm Troopers would be heaps better. I say Clones. Blaster's are better than Laspistols. Guard don't even have a movie after them. Bleh


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Plus Storm trooper technology and equipment far outstrips the Imperium.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I would say, to you OP, set the stage for this poll -

Jungle planet, hills, rivers, clear skies, no other dangers to consider....

100 guard with 10 heavy weapons, 100 kasrkin, 10 leman russ', 10 Valkyries, 1 imperial knight, 1 psyker, 10 walkers...

versus

100 clone troopers with 10 heavy weapons, 100 clone commandoes, 10 clone tanks, 10 gunships, 1 at-te, 1 sith or jedi, 10 walkers...

no backup, no other super weapons, unlimited ammo, no chemical/biological.....

Now who'd win?

In a completely fair one on one fight like that? Clones probably around 90% of the time.

 kinratha wrote:
Holy hell. Alright everyone listen up becasue I'm only going to say this nicely once. 40k beats any; ANY other Sc-Fi army out there.

I know this is a very very late comment but I see you have neglected one tiny little Sci-Fi army:

THE BORG

They will almost Immediately adapt to all of the Imperium's weapons, assimilate the Guardsman, assimilate psychers, assimilate Titan Tech, ASSIMILATE ALL
Resistance is Futile.

Yeah have fun assimilating psykers xD watch as you assimilate a giant gateway into the warp that counterlogics you to death

Well, are we talking about closest from movies I-III (yes, they did happen don't try to deny it!!) or from movies IV-VI?
Example:

 McGibs wrote:
Clone Trooper:
WS2, BS2, S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD10 Sv6+

Blaster:
S2, AP-, Assault 3, 12"

Clones from movies 2 & 3 would have a BS of at least three and their gun S should be three as well.
But goddamnit, those retards from the original movies can't hit anything, they should have BS1

In movies 2 & 3 they also have a decent flyer and powerful Walker. Their vehicles seem good.

And no, we can not ignore Jedies because they are part of clone army (not technically, but practically yes)
as much as Comissaars are part of IG. Clones have a clear advantage here.

The difference is easily seen and explained. The original Clones suck because they were bad guys. Simple.

 StarTrotter wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:
Mechanicum mentions that asKITARRI ship takes over a day to travel from Earth to Mars.

Which would give it a lazy old average speed of nine million kilometers per hour.

Simple fact is SW ships lack the capability to travel at the speeds necessary to compete with the Imperium.

And that quote shows that that's simply not true. 1. It doesn't state that the ship made the journey in 24 hours- it says "more than a day", meaning it could have been two or even three days. 2. A Star Wars ship wouldn't take that long to reach Mars from Earth, thus implying that the speed gap you keep mentioning isn't as deep as you're trying to assert. The Millenium Falcon traveled from Hoth to Bespin with no hyper-drive in only a couple of days, and that's with the Falcon hiding inside a giant worm for awhile and on the back of Star Destroyer adding time to the trip. Considering that Bespin is two solar systems away from Hoth, that would mean that without using a hyperdrive, the Falcon managed to travel a farrrrrrrrrr faaaaaaaaar greater distance than the ships I mentioned above, and in much less time.

Simply put, you claim that Imperium ships move much faster than Star Wars ships, yet it's never been shown nor stated that it takes SW ships anywhere near a day to travel from a distance such as Earth to Mars, whereas there are several BL sources that imply as much for Imperium ships.

To be honest space travel in both worlds would inherently put each other at disadvantages. SW in 40k would have no clue the mapping of the galaxy and thus would have very slow space travel. 40k in SW wouldn't have warp travel (probably) and thus lose. If they did, then they are slower admittedly they would be on the offensive so it wouldn't matter as much (but SW would be able to respond faster).


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deathgod1990 wrote:
To be completely honest 1,200,000 million units has long been debated whether or not it is actually 1 trooper or something more. Judging by the evidence supplied I would go with the ladder considering the number of driod numbered in the quintillions. 1200000 would not be close to accurate. To be honest I would say that clone would win on the basis that
1. They are bred for war
2. I would say more advanced weapons (ex a clone troopers rifle has a range of several kilometers without any adjustments and the fact that the troopers rifle can blow a .5m hole into a solid feracrete wall pretty much is more advanced than guardsmen weapons plus its plasma)
3. They don't need commissars(imperial guardsmen tend to have low morale/ run from battle sometimes)
4. Unlike the Imperial guard the clone can essentially fight in any type of warfare ( that is the usual tatics of the guard tend to revolve around the heavy use of armor formations and siege warfare)
5. Clone are not used as cannon fodder (which occurs with the orders of the Imperial generals)
6 The Imperial guard essentially has a few notable armies (example the death korps, cadians etc) which are good but does not make up the bulk of the imperial guard which results in many armies being essentially worthless or less than efficient compared to those armies (ex the betrayal on caida during the 13th black crusade

1. Yeah gotta agree with you there. IG have some but it is much more variable (DKoK is an example of one that is bred)
2. I wouldn't quite say that. Clone Trooper plasma probably isn't Imperial Guard tier plasma although it might be. That's the problem. We can't really judge. Both seem to have comedically bad armor and pretty sub sttandard guns
3. To be fair IG go against far worse things than Clone Troopers every day
4. I agree with you here! No matter what, IG are forced to struggle more with combined arms methods
5. I'll have to say the movies don't make that convincing (really they are cannon fodder. Clones are treated like sub-human to be tossed around to fight the droids)
6. This isn't really quite fair considering IG really means everything from terribly press ganged to service to super trained


Anyways, as per the victory. I think SW have the advantage in equal number conflicts however when it comes to long scale battles SW just doesn't have enough boots to make it (keep in mind many Imperial planets are heavily deffended from the get-go)

The movies really don't do the clone troopers justice (damn you George Lucas for that) but in the novels and the comic books make it the clones into the force they should be also the themes tend to be darker than the tv/moveis series). Why do you think pretty much everyone hatted the new series. On your last point that what I mean the imperial guard can't be said to be completely composed of cadian, death korps, elysian drop trooper, or jungle fighters. Those only make up a fraction of the Imperial armies pressed into service. And sure there great the cadians are essentially the creme of the crop in terms of what the imperial military should aspire too but you can't say that. As for the imperial lanets being well defended according to everything I've read the planetary defense forces are essentially incompetent at best(unless supplemented by a force like space marines or something along those lines). And I would agree that they would be overrun if the actual number of clones was only 1.2 million. But lets face it it doesn't even come close to that number(meaning alot more than implied).


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 kinratha wrote:
Holy hell. Alright everyone listen up becasue I'm only going to say this nicely once. 40k beats any; ANY other Sc-Fi army out there.

Proof: Imperial Guard outnumber the Clones 10,000 to 1
You claim they are trained by Mandalorians and are hence Mandalorian. But remember Revan crushed the mandalorians durring the Mandalorian war. He did so with weaker, less trained, lower tech weapons. only advanced thing he imployed was the Shadow mass generator at Malachor V. .

DC-15 vs lasgun
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DC-15A_blaster_rifle
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lasgun

Mrk 1 phase armor vs Flakk armor
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phase_I_clone_trooper_armo
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flak_armour
(Granted they say flak armor is bad, there comparing it to other armors in 40k not star wars)

As for training Clones are wana be Mandalorians and Guardsmen training depends on the regiment there in.

Umm you do remember that revan did so a few thousand years before the Clone wars and that afterwards what was left of the mandalorians were reformed under the Clan Ordo right. Also the Clones came into the more advanced Mark 2 armor not the mark 1. Also look up the numbers again because pretty much everyone know that 1.2 million clones is not the right number considering they were facing quintillions of droid right? Plus the fact that you an't use armies from Cadia, Catchan or Kreig as a basis of the Imperial guard. They are essentially a very small number of the acutal guard. In reality a normal guardsmen does not even come close to those armies


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 Bobthehero wrote:
Yeah, basically, I'll give it to the clones in equal numbers almost any days, but the IG can afford to outnumber the clone a thousand to one and not really care.

Its really a common misconception that the clones only number in 1.2 million. Its actually estimated that they number in the hundreds of billions considering they had to face quintillions of droids


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 krazynadechukr wrote:
There were 3 million clones made & an equal number of support droids and personnel...

Also consider how quickly the Grand Army expanded. In a single year, at least 1.8 million clone troopers were produced (that is combat ready & all!) -- probably more than that, to account for losses among the original 1.2 million clones.

Also, consider that the Grand Army of the Republic wasn't designed to win a war. The entirety of the Clone Wars is all smoke and mirrors, plotted by Darth Sidious to justify his attempt to take over the Republic. *** In order for the ruse to work, the clones couldn't be too good or too numerous, or they'd be able to take down the Separatists in a fair fight. ***

Now Imperial Stormtroopers actually numbered tens of trillions of regular army soldiers, trillions of fleet crew, and of stormtroopers.

Its doubtful that it was only millions of clone considering the number disparity that they would be facing (they were facing quintillions if not at least hundred of billions of battle droids) In the very least he Clone troopers were actually numbers in the tens if not hundred of billions


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 bonz wrote:
Bearing in mind the technological superiority of the Star Wars setting... Surely stating how useless clone armour is when its used to resist the type of advanced laser weaponry in the Star Wars universe is a bit pointless?

Las carbines are mass produced in their billions, and are prone to numerous faults if it even works when you get it. Couple that with some hardwearing fatigues, slap a mass produced cheap flak vest on your average joe conscripted human who probably doesn't even want to be there and you have your average Imperial Guard grunt.

Now take an army of clones who were genetically copied from a galaxy-notorious warrior. They were grown and shaped to be soldiers, are capable of incredible battlefield synergy (they all think fairly similarly I would imagine) and have access to the best armour and equipment which was also commissioned along with the army, and produced in an era where mankind is NOT in the middle of a technological regression comparable to the Dark Ages.

We're all fans of Imperial Guard, and it's no secret that they are the underdogs and win through sheer weight of numbers, but on any given battlefield with no numerical advantage on either side, the Clones will win hands down.

My two cents

I hate how people keep using the movies as the basis for clone trooper armor. Can we all agree that George Lucas was an idiot on these issues and base it on he expanded universe. Also 1.2 million clones isn't even an accurate number ( I mean really in real world the Chinese would have more numbers than clones) there is no way to fight a galactic war with that

Guard. No question about for previous posted reasons

Sci fi authors have no sense of scale.

Anyway, Clones might have better gear (heh), at least prior to the issue of the E-111 blaster (cost-cutting for goodness!), but the Guard can increase their firing rate by 1.5 by shouting at their guns. :p

 soomemafia wrote:
Well, are we talking about closest from movies I-III (yes, they did happen don't try to deny it!!) or from movies IV-VI?
Example:

 McGibs wrote:
Clone Trooper:
WS2, BS2, S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD10 Sv6+

Blaster:
S2, AP-, Assault 3, 12"

Clones from movies 2 & 3 would have a BS of at least three and their gun S should be three as well.
But goddamnit, those retards from the original movies can't hit anything, they should have BS1

In movies 2 & 3 they also have a decent flyer and powerful Walker. Their vehicles seem good.

And no, we can not ignore Jedies because they are part of clone army (not technically, but practically yes)
as much as Comissaars are part of IG. Clones have a clear advantage here.

The difference is easily seen and explained. The original Clones suck because they were bad guys. Simple.

The Storm Troopers of Ep 1-3 are no longer Clones, but humans and near-humans inducted into the Imperial Army. The only remaining clones by that point are the members of the 501st Stormtrooper Legion, "Vader's Fist".

Again, I think the poll is way off. Too many people were putting the guards superior numbers against clones, instead of considering an equally numbered/geared fight.

Regular Guard (not penal or FW units) against clone troops (who are kasrkin quality).... clones win

Kasrkin against clone commandos (who are space marine quality).....clones win

Psyker against Jedi/Sith master....clones win

Leman (tracked & projectile weapon vs gravity clone tank (energy weapon & not hindered by ground).... clones win

Valkyrie (2 door gunners, nose weapon, 2 wing weapons, carries 10 troops) versus clone gunship (2 wing gunners, 2 door gunners, 2 nose weapons, 2 wing weapons, carries 20 troops)....clones win

Imperial knight (gun, chainsword, stubber) versus at-te (big gun).....giving this to GUARD as a win

Sentinals (closed canopy, options for weapons) versus walkers (open topped, 1 weapon)....GUARD win

? versus speeder bikes.....clones win

? versus landespeders.... clones win

Adeptus Mechanicus (attached to guard) versusu Droid/IG-88 (attached to clones).... clones win

Guard training versus clone conditioning, training, bio-engineered to near supermen.... clones win

guard fighter versus clone fighters.... clones win

basilisk versus clone arty (seen in movie).... (unsure)

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Grand Army—10 systems armies, a total of over 3,000,000 units, with Supreme Chancellor Palpatine as commander-in-chief.
Systems Army—2 Sector Armies (294,912 troops) led by a High Jedi General.
Sector Army—4 corps (147,456 troops) led by a Senior Jedi General.
Corps—4 legions (36,864 troops) led by a clone marshal commander and a Jedi General.
Legion/Brigade—4 regiments (9,216 troops) led by a senior clone commander and a Jedi General.
Regiment—4 battalions (2,304 troops) led by a clone trooper commander, clone regimental commander, and a Jedi Commander.
Battalion—4 companies (576 troops) led by a major.
Company—4 platoons (144 troops) led by a captain.
Platoon—4 squads (36 troops) led by a lieutenant.
Squad—9 soldiers led by a sergeant.

Command structure of special forces
Special Operations Brigade (SO BDE)—20 groups (10,000 men), commanded by Senior Jedi General Arligan Zey, made up of 10 battalions by one year after the Battle of Geonosis.
Commando Group—5 companies (500 men)
Members of Torrent Company
Company—5 troops (100 men).
Troop—5 squads (20 men).
Squad—4 men.

 purplefood wrote:
Guard flak armour works.
Clone armour does not.
Guard wins.

Ya I was going to mention that. Clone troopers would probably just have a 6+ save. They also never seem to hut anything so I'd say they're BS 1-2.

 McGibs wrote:
Clone Trooper:
WS2, BS2, S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD10 Sv6+

Blaster:
S2, AP-, Assault 3, 12"

Wow, ok. beat me too it. and our ideas are pretty similar as well
Going by the movies, the clones just unload everything while firing from the hip (and never hitting), and they just walk forward in formation and stand in front of the enemy while opening fire (actually battles with clone troopers seems a lot like 18th century line infantry, just walk forward, aim, shoot, repeat. They stay in formation, dont take cover, and just trade shots with the enemy until one of them is gone)
Im not sure what kind of numbers that clones have, but imperial guard are billions, if not trillions strong. Im having trouble finding an advantage for the clones, but then again im just using the movies, not the expanded universe. Maybe a few jedi would even out the battle enough, but im not seeing it going well for the "long ago, far away" empire of man.

Clones would have the equivalent of Carapace Armor, given that the ST armor (and everything similar to it from 1960s and 70s sci-fi) is what carapace armor is based on.

Necromancy!
Does no one realise that this thread is really old?
At any rate, Guard win vs Clones by virtue of having much larger numbers and better equipment.
Also, the aiming skills of the Clones are the worst in the entire galaxy and they act like they are fighting a battle in the 18th century. They might've had a chance against Napoleon

...actually, I failed to notice. This thread comes up so often, I just assumed it was its time on the schedule.

they act like they are fighting a battle in the 18th century. They might've had a chance against Napoleon

You know that the Guard often fights using Napoleonic tactics, too, right?

It's actually kind of a defining feature, and required to be using FRFSRF! ... you know, since you'd have to be in infantry ranks for that to be a thing.