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 Iron_Captain wrote:
Necromancy!
Does no one realise that this thread is really old?
At any rate, Guard win vs Clones by virtue of having much larger numbers and better equipment.
Also, the aiming skills of the Clones are the worst in the entire galaxy and they act like they are fighting a battle in the 18th century. They might've had a chance against Napoleon

Flash lights for guns thats what alot of people say about them. They throw like 1000 men before they would even kill a fraction of that. And when have clones had bad aiming. As soon as some of the guard dead start piling up you will see them running

OMFG, thread started 9/2012? I'm outta here.

deathgod1990 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Necromancy!
Does no one realise that this thread is really old?
At any rate, Guard win vs Clones by virtue of having much larger numbers and better equipment.
Also, the aiming skills of the Clones are the worst in the entire galaxy and they act like they are fighting a battle in the 18th century. They might've had a chance against Napoleon

Flash lights for guns thats what alot of people say about them. They throw like 1000 men before they would even kill a fraction of that. And when have clones had bad aiming. As soon as some of the guard dead start piling up you will see them running

Only because the Lasgun is weak compared to every other standard infantry weapon in the game.
The Lasgun is actually pretty killy background wise - it deals damage similar to that of a .50 rifle, capable of cleanly severing limbs.

It's Alive!

I don't recall commenting on this thread before, but reading the last few pages....I guess I have.

anyway I'm still going for Guard. People dismiss the Imperial guards Strength because it gets compared to other 40k factions. In reality, The guard is a great combat force, they keep whats left of the Imperium together.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

deathgod1990 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Necromancy!
Does no one realise that this thread is really old?
At any rate, Guard win vs Clones by virtue of having much larger numbers and better equipment.
Also, the aiming skills of the Clones are the worst in the entire galaxy and they act like they are fighting a battle in the 18th century. They might've had a chance against Napoleon

Flash lights for guns thats what alot of people say about them. They throw like 1000 men before they would even kill a fraction of that. And when have clones had bad aiming. As soon as some of the guard dead start piling up you will see them running

Only because the Lasgun is weak compared to every other standard infantry weapon in the game.
The Lasgun is actually pretty killy background wise - it deals damage similar to that of a .50 rifle, capable of cleanly severing limbs.

Yeah the clone troopers rifle the DC-15A blows a .5 metter hole in a Feracrete wall. Also are you saying the other parts of what I said are right?

Nope. Just correcting your assertion that the Lasgun is a weak weapon. It really isn't.

The DC-15A blowing holes in ferroconcrete is only on max power. Lasguns can sever limbs with a standard setting.

Clone Troopers. More so if they have their advanced units. Such as Commandos and ARC troopers. IGFlak armor is no more effective tha clone armor. If you compare Clones to IG. Clones are better. Stronger armor and FAR better training. Superior personal weaponry as well. DC-15 blaster Rifles are better that Flashlights. Just watching the clone wars TV show is NOT applicable when discussing clones. The armor is actually a lot tougher than portrayed in the TV series. I'm not going to pretend that IG would be a pushover, but clones would win.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nope. Just correcting your assertion that the Lasgun is a weak weapon. It really isn't.

The DC-15A blowing holes in ferroconcrete is only on max power. Lasguns can sever limbs with a standard setting.

Even at its high power settings the rifle could average around 300 shots. Also I'm pretty sure that the requirements to sever limbs means that the opponent isn't where armor in the area being fired at.

deathgod1990 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nope. Just correcting your assertion that the Lasgun is a weak weapon. It really isn't.

The DC-15A blowing holes in ferroconcrete is only on max power. Lasguns can sever limbs with a standard setting.

Even at its high power settings the rifle could average around 300 shots. Also I'm pretty sure that the requirements to sever limbs means that the opponent isn't where armor in the area being fired at.

300 shots without reloading? Because a blaster rifle battery only lasts 50 shots on standard settings.

The weapon's tibanna gas cartridge carried enough gas for up to 500 shots, depending on the power settings of the weapon, while the charge pack lasted about 50 shots

It has 300 shots worth of gas on high settings, but the gas canister is harder to replace.

Yes, the severed limbs part is against unarmored targets. That's still on standard settings. I have not seen the blaster rifle deal that much damage against an unarmored target in the films.

Logistically speaking, the lasgun is superior. Lighter, smaller, and less demanding in terms of ammunition; each las rifle pack can fire about 150 shots (may vary according to mark) on standard settings, and get easily be recharged at any power source.

Clones for several reasons:
1:they arrive on time to the battle(instead of months late(or early!)like the guard)
2:Since their gun is plasma its is probably around the equivelent of a pulse rifle.
3:They are based of a mandalorian(the cool kind not the duchess satine kind)bounty hunter.and he was the best in the galaxy(until he was killed)
4:They have delta squad.which leads me to..
4a:they have Boss.
4b:they have Sev.
4c:They have scorch.(fixer isn't awesome enough to get 4d.Scorch is just as fast at hacking(and has l33t hax0r skills))
5:Their main battle tank doesn't have Completely flat sides.
6:They don't need to pray to their gun.
7:Morale is higher(not running away is probably in their programming)
8:Their armour actually helps(it has loads of cool features like commlinks(instead of one guy carrying a giant backpack)and covers the whole body.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

deathgod1990 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nope. Just correcting your assertion that the Lasgun is a weak weapon. It really isn't.

The DC-15A blowing holes in ferroconcrete is only on max power. Lasguns can sever limbs with a standard setting.

Even at its high power settings the rifle could average around 300 shots. Also I'm pretty sure that the requirements to sever limbs means that the opponent isn't where armor in the area being fired at.

300 shots without reloading? Because a blaster rifle battery only lasts 50 shots on standard settings.

The weapon's tibanna gas cartridge carried enough gas for up to 500 shots, depending on the power settings of the weapon, while the charge pack lasted about 50 shots

It has 300 shots worth of gas on high settings, but the gas canister is harder to replace.

Yes, the severed limbs part is against unarmored targets. That's still on standard settings. I have not seen the blaster rifle deal that much damage against an unarmored target in the films.

Logistically speaking, the lasgun is superior. Lighter, smaller, and less demanding in terms of ammunition; each las rifle pack can fire about 150 shots (may vary according to mark) on standard settings, and get easily be recharged at any power source.

well pretty sure its due to the fact that majority of it is rated pg-13 ofr most kids. Its like saying if you made 40k pg-13 do you think we would actually see limbs being chopped off with lasers? Sure maybe againist robots but againist organix life. Also is you are talking about what you've seen during the arena battle on geonosis a dc-15a blew apart a droideka in a nice firey explosion.

deathgod1990 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

deathgod1990 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nope. Just correcting your assertion that the Lasgun is a weak weapon. It really isn't.

The DC-15A blowing holes in ferroconcrete is only on max power. Lasguns can sever limbs with a standard setting.

Even at its high power settings the rifle could average around 300 shots. Also I'm pretty sure that the requirements to sever limbs means that the opponent isn't where armor in the area being fired at.

300 shots without reloading? Because a blaster rifle battery only lasts 50 shots on standard settings.

The weapon's tibanna gas cartridge carried enough gas for up to 500 shots, depending on the power settings of the weapon, while the charge pack lasted about 50 shots

It has 300 shots worth of gas on high settings, but the gas canister is harder to replace.

Yes, the severed limbs part is against unarmored targets. That's still on standard settings. I have not seen the blaster rifle deal that much damage against an unarmored target in the films.

Logistically speaking, the lasgun is superior. Lighter, smaller, and less demanding in terms of ammunition; each las rifle pack can fire about 150 shots (may vary according to mark) on standard settings, and get easily be recharged at any power source.

well pretty sure its due to the fact that majority of it is rated pg-13 ofr most kids. Its like saying if you made 40k pg-13 do you think we would actually see limbs being chopped off with lasers? Sure maybe againist robots but againist organix life. Also is you are talking about what you've seen during the arena battle on geonosis a dc-15a blew apart a droideka in a nice firey explosion.

That could be on max. Any information on what the rifle could do on standard settings?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

deathgod1990 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

deathgod1990 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nope. Just correcting your assertion that the Lasgun is a weak weapon. It really isn't.

The DC-15A blowing holes in ferroconcrete is only on max power. Lasguns can sever limbs with a standard setting.

Even at its high power settings the rifle could average around 300 shots. Also I'm pretty sure that the requirements to sever limbs means that the opponent isn't where armor in the area being fired at.

300 shots without reloading? Because a blaster rifle battery only lasts 50 shots on standard settings.

The weapon's tibanna gas cartridge carried enough gas for up to 500 shots, depending on the power settings of the weapon, while the charge pack lasted about 50 shots

It has 300 shots worth of gas on high settings, but the gas canister is harder to replace.

Yes, the severed limbs part is against unarmored targets. That's still on standard settings. I have not seen the blaster rifle deal that much damage against an unarmored target in the films.

Logistically speaking, the lasgun is superior. Lighter, smaller, and less demanding in terms of ammunition; each las rifle pack can fire about 150 shots (may vary according to mark) on standard settings, and get easily be recharged at any power source.

well pretty sure its due to the fact that majority of it is rated pg-13 ofr most kids. Its like saying if you made 40k pg-13 do you think we would actually see limbs being chopped off with lasers? Sure maybe againist robots but againist organix life. Also is you are talking about what you've seen during the arena battle on geonosis a dc-15a blew apart a droideka in a nice firey explosion.

That could be on max. Any information on what the rifle could do on standard settings?

Unfortunately no I can only guess that standard setting was 500 which I'm guessing is still enough to take out targets like super battle droid and 300-100 shots on high to max settings taking out targets like droid spiders which act like extremely heavy infantry-light vehicles.

First, regarding space travel speeds. Star Wars ships have been shown repeatedly to travel at speeds of at least 1 million times the speed of light. Including travelling halfway across the galaxy in a single day.

Second regarding Storm Trooper accuracy. I understand the running joke that Storm Troopers cannot hit the broad side of the barn, but simply watching the movies proves this to be untrue. First, look at the opening of A New Hope. Here we have a number of storm troopers charging into a narrow breach into heavy fire, yet they are able to gun down more rebel soldiers in cover than they take in casualties. They are so effective that the defenders fall back almost immediately. Next, Obi-Wan's comment regarding the Jawa Sandcrawler - "These blast marks are too accurate for Sandpeople. Only Imperial storm troopers are so precise." Finally we see them make numerous shots, from the hip (which is increddibly difficult). But in the end, who do they miss? The main characters. And more than likely they were under orders to capture them alive.

Third, regarding the strength of their weapons. While we have no idea how strong a lasgun is (19 megathule range means nothing when we cannot convert to current units), we do know that the standard E-11 Blastech is capable of blasting grapefruit size holes out of both Docking Bay 94 (on Tatooine) as well as the interior bulkheads of Bespin, including small pockmarks of the Deaht Star's internal bulkheads. Due to the explosive nature of the shot would explain the Stormtrooper armour, it cannot protect against a direct hit, however against shrapnel and glancing hits, is does quite well. And as a side note, considering hte size of the Sandcrawler, meaning that support beams would have to be massive, and the fact that single weapon bursts had taken out treads, and support beams, then the damage output for Stormtrooper weapons is pretty strong.