Tyranid Release in January: GW pre-orders up, discussion starts pg 80

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**Redemption**

brassangel wrote:
No model for the Prime

The Warrior with the large shoulder padding in the picture in the first post is probably a Prime.

**prankster**

Well, given the number of things that they still need models for, along with the obligatory new releases and re-done kits I could certainly see 'nids being in for a two month release cycle.

That would also tie together the reports that we're seeing at present, one source having more of an overview, whilst the other is going off the first wave of releases only.

**tetrisphreak**

BeeCee wrote:
ok so the Endo guy on Warseer keeps saying the Nids are more than a month away.

Is the Jan. release date no 1/4 but 1/11 instead? do the holidays play a factor on that?

January white dwarf hits streets on the 4th (calendar in dec issue confirms this). That would put tyranids release on 11 January 2014.

**rigeld2**

brassangel wrote:
While these rumors are getting tastier, it still means that Tyranids will be the army completely under-represented by models for the second time in a row.

No model for the Prime, Parasite, or Doom.

Finecast still for Broodlord, Lictor, Venomthrope, Zoanthrope, Biovore, Pyrovore.

No confirmation of Shrikes in the Warrior kit, and Ymgarls are still a conversion.

If GW plans to do what they've done since Necrons and then 6th dropped, that means Tyranids should have a release for every unit in the codex. Also, GW has moved away from Finecast with their last two major releases (Space Marines and Dark Elves), but Tyranids would still be stuck with a disproportionate amount of it if Endobai is to be trusted.

Why should Tyranid players be FORCED to convert a ton of their units, while it's just an encouraged part of the hobby for other armies? Why are Tyranids still stuck with a stupid amount of Finecast models?

Am I the only one concerned by this?

You talk like there's any real confirmation of any model release... or if anything is actually confirmed at this point.

**tomball0706**

Cue screaming louder than a pre teen girl at a Justin Bieber concert

Ahem, sorry about that. Safe to say if even half of these new rumours are true (not counting ones said before december, as frankly everything was said) I'll definitely be happy. I can imagine the new transport bug we might be getting could come with little hangers on to attach onto the side, like what they did when releasing the DE Raider and the Vemon kits and if they don't? Well I got myself a conversion planned

**Frozen Ocean**

All I intend to do at this point is batten down the hatches and wait for the Warp Storm to end before crawling out of my bunker to see what wonders have been left behind on the twisted landscape.

In other words, hope for the best. It's not like it can get any worse. If it does, though, at least I have my Legionnaires.

**Kroothawk**

Okay, here the Endobai quotes after the GW leak, in one piece:

Endobai over at Warseer wrote:Heh, so it is out.

I can safely say something more.

All those sets allow construction of another unit, also the Haruspex which can be assembled as... another creature from Epic 40k.

Hive Guards got another weapon option which can be seen on the leaked image.
The weapon is electricity based. No doubt inspired by Teslas, but I have no idea if it works in a similar way.

Tyrant Guards are very lovely. My most favourite models in the release combining what is the best in the 3rd and 4th metal models.
Several weapon options just like with the warriors.

I think that they got those new 50 mm bases. I was mistaken in the past with the SM Centurions so forgive me if I commit another once again.

Haruspex is damn ugly so you will recognise it immediatelly, but its 'twin' is actually really nice looking MC.

Harpy's 'brother' is not called Eridne/however it was called in those rumours.

Any insights into Hormagaunts?

Cheaper and faster. Think of Slaaneshi Daemons.

Any info on Lictors?

Nothing except that they appear in the dataslate.

Of course nothing speaks like autonomous, scout, vanguard creature like a model which after landing realises how alone it is, how scary the world is and that everyone wants to kill it - so I hope it regains at least its autonomy. Rather safe bet in my opinion.

I don't think anyone here has asked yet (wonder why...) but what about rippers? The vanguard of my skittering horde, well a comic relief at least. Hopefully The Parasite will get a model, that would be awesome to see rippers burst from the chests of guardsmen.

If I see it right got more expensive, but are no longer suicidal.

Just a query Endobai, is the alternative weapon for the Hive Guard an Anti Air weapon?

I doubt it is judging from the description, but cannot disprove that entirely.

a tidbit on genestealers?

Seem the same, but Broodlord has a fixed psychic power (no rolls) and full access to biomorphs - there is a list of those much like with wargear for other armies in other books.

Not going to push what the optional build is gonna be, I'm more intrigued about you calling it ugly. You mean "bad" ugly, yes?

It looks... it looks like it ate too much. Have no idea how much painting can improve it...

Oh, and so is it true that the spores are out of the Codex?

No trace of them so far.

Surely they aren't just getting 4 bulky kits, right?

No clamshells. Perhaps a second wave, wouldn't be that weird, but mind their production capacity when it comes to plastic models is limited. Jes Goodwin said something about it when was asked about Jetbikes.

The are some repackages, though. More models in some boxes (so no Dire Avenger rip off), but don't remember how the prices will change in comparison.

BigRed from BOLS wrote:The total release contains 9 new kits, 3 clamshells. ZERO Finecast.

Unless there is a second wave they are wrong again.

Off the mark when it comes to some rules as well and I am not sure if the rumours are on target with the rest either.

Whatever I'll use what I know for sure.

Just to make a summary:

There are definetely those four sets named in the phone call in Germany.
Dual sets (one, lets say, is half-dual), so four MCs including three new beasties.

There are also other boxes, but re-packs/army sets.

No clamshell.

If there is a second wave perhaps those will include such things, but I have no way to see that far in the future. Still more than a month to the release of the book so will will find out when it comes.

Seems as if there's got to be a second wave on the horizon. There's simply too much stuff left without a model or in Finecast.

Possible, but tell that to the Eldar Aspect Warriors.

Although there is a lot of finecast in use bear in mind there are other releases coming almost every month and all of them will get new sets.
Not sure if that adds anything to my information, but I spoke to Kelly on GD about Banshees and he definetely suggested that things like that although important will wait for some time. There are not that many armies left to be adjusted to the 6th edition after all.

And this edition stays for a while - too many FW 2nd edition books, the massive Horus Heresy series, the super-fast release rate for 40k we have not seen in the past... some units/models have to wait and while I would wish you a very fast transition from failcast it is not certain.

**H.B.M.C.**

Avian wrote:
I think it's more that it would have limited appeal as a model. I mean, think of how long it took for them to make a Drop Pod model for marines, and that is for the army that sells more than all the others combined. I doubt what's essentially a gribbly egg would be much of a priority when they could put out some new spiky nasty.

I have to agree here. The loss of the Mycetic Spore won't be driven by some sort of need to swipe at the 3rd party market (as much as some people might want it to be). Instead it'll simply be down to economics.

The Drop Pod is a risky kit because it only exists in two forms - off the table, yet to arrive, or on the table, doing nothing. It has one role, and once it does that one thing it really doesn't do much for the rest of the game other than sit there. What mitigates the risk is that it's a unit for the most popular and best-selling army and multiple other armies (Wolves, BA's, DA's, etc.) can use them as well.

The Spore though? Tyranids. That's it. They're the only one who uses it meaning an expensive plastic kit that either sits off the table doing nothing or on the table doing nothing (unlike other Tyranid units which play an active role in the game), so it's just not commercially viable. And that's before you factor in the Rule of Cool. Who wants a nice big bladed snake thing, or a giant four armed monster... or a flesh egg/pod thingy.

pretre wrote:
brassangel wrote:
Am I the only one concerned by this?

Not until we see a real release list.

And the Codex. Half of these things may not exist any more.

**pretre**

I had never thought about the Drop Pod / Spore like that before. Good stuff, H.B.M.C.!

**MadmanMSU**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Avian wrote:
I think it's more that it would have limited appeal as a model. I mean, think of how long it took for them to make a Drop Pod model for marines, and that is for the army that sells more than all the others combined. I doubt what's essentially a gribbly egg would be much of a priority when they could put out some new spiky nasty.

I have to agree here. The loss of the Mycetic Spore won't be driven by some sort of need to swipe at the 3rd party market (as much as some people might want it to be). Instead it'll simply be down to economics.

The Drop Pod is a risky kit because it only exists in two forms - off the table, yet to arrive, or on the table, doing nothing. It has one role, and once it does that one thing it really doesn't do much for the rest of the game other than sit there. What mitigates the risk is that it's a unit for the most popular and best-selling army and multiple other armies (Wolves, BA's, DA's, etc.) can use them as well.

The Spore though? Tyranids. That's it. They're the only one who uses it meaning an expensive plastic kit that either sits off the table doing nothing or on the table doing nothing (unlike other Tyranid units which play an active role in the game), so it's just not commercially viable. And that's before you factor in the Rule of Cool. Who wants a nice big bladed snake thing, or a giant four armed monster... or a flesh egg/pod thingy.

That's a very elegant way of looking at it. But I still think that gives waaaaay too much credit to GW. I'm sticking with the "screw 3rd party models" theory

**xttz**

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Spore though? Tyranids. That's it. They're the only one who uses it meaning an expensive plastic kit that either sits off the table doing nothing or on the table doing nothing (unlike other Tyranid units which play an active role in the game), so it's just not commercially viable. And that's before you factor in the Rule of Cool. Who wants a nice big bladed snake thing, or a giant four armed monster... or a flesh egg/pod thingy.

I can totally see them scrapping the Spore Pod unit/model, but keeping around the idea by just deep-striking units with the pod disintegrating. Wasn't there an old apoc rule that let you deep-strike with Nids, and gave them a cover save for the following turn to represent the chunks of splattered pod around them? That rule would not only save them making a likely poor-selling large plastic kit, but help make assaulty Nids a little safer.

In future Forge World could do their own Spore that would better reflect the low-volume high-cost nature of such a model.

**Panic**

yeah,

H.B.M.C. wrote:
... The Spore though? Tyranids. That's it. They're the only one who uses it meaning an expensive plastic kit that either sits off the table doing nothing or on the table doing nothing (unlike other Tyranid units which play an active role in the game), so it's just not commercially viable. And that's before you factor in the Rule of Cool. Who wants a nice big bladed snake thing, or a giant four armed monster... or a flesh egg/pod thingy.

Agree'd. It's possible that a Pod won't generate the same returns for GW as another totally new creature.
I'd be surprised to see them dropped from the Codex.
The spore are so deep in 'nid art and cannon it'd be way too difficult to retcon from fluff.
There is also a possibility that GW is having trouble coming up with original spore designs... So many leach companies have technically gotten in first with some IP designs while filling the gap..

IMO - Ultimately if GW doesn't make the model, and as a result cuts it from the Codex we only have crapterhouse to blame.
So any decision to axe the pod will be done to cut off the need for 3rd parties, thank you crapterhouse!

Panic...

**StarFyre**

Does this mean the rumors of a new large bug monster are most likely false?

Sanjay

**brassangel**

rigeld2 wrote:
brassangel wrote:
While these rumors are getting tastier, it still means that Tyranids will be the army completely under-represented by models for the second time in a row.

No model for the Prime, Parasite, or Doom.

Finecast still for Broodlord, Lictor, Venomthrope, Zoanthrope, Biovore, Pyrovore.

No confirmation of Shrikes in the Warrior kit, and Ymgarls are still a conversion.

If GW plans to do what they've done since Necrons and then 6th dropped, that means Tyranids should have a release for every unit in the codex. Also, GW has moved away from Finecast with their last two major releases (Space Marines and Dark Elves), but Tyranids would still be stuck with a disproportionate amount of it if Endobai is to be trusted.

Why should Tyranid players be FORCED to convert a ton of their units, while it's just an encouraged part of the hobby for other armies? Why are Tyranids still stuck with a stupid amount of Finecast models?

Am I the only one concerned by this?

You talk like there's any real confirmation of any model release... or if anything is actually confirmed at this point.

We have heard of 4 kits, which sound AMAZING:

Warriors (with all options, except Shrikes)
Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard (which I called 18 months ago, and most people expected)
Big bug/transportofex (always welcome new monsters!)
Harpy/other flyer (again, most people expected)

But that leaves Shrikes out - which just doesn't follow GW's track record since Necrons, and a slew of models still in Finecast.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Avian wrote:
I think it's more that it would have limited appeal as a model. I mean, think of how long it took for them to make a Drop Pod model for marines, and that is for the army that sells more than all the others combined. I doubt what's essentially a gribbly egg would be much of a priority when they could put out some new spiky nasty.

I have to agree here. The loss of the Mycetic Spore won't be driven by some sort of need to swipe at the 3rd party market (as much as some people might want it to be). Instead it'll simply be down to economics.

The Drop Pod is a risky kit because it only exists in two forms - off the table, yet to arrive, or on the table, doing nothing. It has one role, and once it does that one thing it really doesn't do much for the rest of the game other than sit there. What mitigates the risk is that it's a unit for the most popular and best-selling army and multiple other armies (Wolves, BA's, DA's, etc.) can use them as well.

The Spore though? Tyranids. That's it. They're the only one who uses it meaning an expensive plastic kit that either sits off the table doing nothing or on the table doing nothing (unlike other Tyranid units which play an active role in the game), so it's just not commercially viable. And that's before you factor in the Rule of Cool. Who wants a nice big bladed snake thing, or a giant four armed monster... or a flesh egg/pod thingy.

pretre wrote:
brassangel wrote:
Am I the only one concerned by this?

Not until we see a real release list.

And the Codex. Half of these things may not exist any more.

I doubt they are cutting out that many units. Your explanation of the Mycetic Spore is completely reasonable, but I doubt they just cut out other stuff rather than convert it to plastic. One "inside guy" had told me that Tyranids have basically been under construction since about 3 months after the last book was released. One would assume it will be an unusually large 40k release.

**Panic**

yeah,

StarFyre wrote:
Does this mean the rumors of a new large bug monster are most likely false?

'nids already had the first large kit the trygon!?
If each faction gets one... They have had theirs.

Panic...

**Absolutionis**

Panic wrote:
So many leach companies have technically gotten in first with some IP designs while filling the gap..

Those leech companies wouldn't exist if people like you would stop buying from them.

Found this in your gallery:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/221753-Grot%20Mek%20with%20KFF%202.html

The wheels are from Kromlech.eu, a well-known leech company specializing in GW knockoff Ork and Space Marine bits.

So rather than taking every opportunity to trash-talk these companies, put your money where your mouth is and stop supporting these leech-companies that you hate so much. This sort of behavior is worse than the people that complain about GW prices and then buy from them anyways.

Absolutionis

**H.B.M.C.**

Panic wrote:
IMO - Ultimately if GW doesn't make the model, and as a result cuts it from the Codex we only have crapterhouse to blame.

Yeah but no.

And "leech" companies? Oh FFS...

**Panic**

yeah,

Absolutionis wrote:
Panic wrote:
So many leach companies have technically gotten in first with some IP designs while filling the gap..
...Found this in your gallery:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/221753-Grot%20Mek%20with%20KFF%202.html
... put your money where your mouth is and stop supporting these leech-companies that you hate so much.

Correct I point at that part in threads all the time, I have no issue with 3rd party parts. From what I have seen Kromlech.eu don't say these are compatable with GW parts?
Do they show it being used with GW space orks?

I do have issue with a company that stated on their own homepage how much they loved GW and warhammer 40,000...
yet went to court and hurt the HHHobby more than any other outside influence since... ever.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And "leech" companies? Oh FFS...

Sucking the life out of something, sounds about right.

Panic...

**brassangel**

Panic wrote:yeah,
StarFyre wrote:
Does this mean the rumors of a new large bug monster are most likely false?

'nids already had the first large kit the trygon!?
If each faction gets one... They have had theirs.

Panic...

Well, Tyranids are KNOWN for producing bio-monsters. Plus, they got the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit as a splash release too, so the Trygon wasn't theirs. Tyranids will always have access to more monsters than everyone else. That's their thing.

While IG will have more tanks and gun platforms, Tau more suits/walkers, Eldar more mobility, Marines more toughness, Orks more bullets and swings of the ax, Chaos more individual power-houses in the name of selfish ambition, Sisters more whiners...

Every army has their thing. Tyranids gets huge swarms of squishy stuff backed by lots of giant monsters.

Panic wrote:yeah,
Absolutionis wrote:
Panic wrote:
So many leach companies have technically gotten in first with some IP designs while filling the gap..
...Found this in your gallery:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/221753-Grot%20Mek%20with%20KFF%202.html
... put your money where your mouth is and stop supporting these leech-companies that you hate so much.
Correct I point at that part in threads all the time, I have no issue with 3rd party parts. From what I have seen Kromlech.eu don't say these are compatable with GW parts?
Do they show it being used with GW space orks?

I do have issue with a company that stated on their own homepage how much they loved GW and warhammer 40,000...
yet went to court and hurt the HHHobby more than any other outside influence since... ever.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And "leech" companies? Oh FFS...
Sucking the life out of something, sounds about right.

Panic...

Well, technically leeching would be living off of the lifeblood of someone/something else. Which more appropriately suites the 3rd party bits companies and podcast studios who do nothing but complain about GW and yet piggyback on GW 100%.

Those people are hurting and living off of them at the same time.

**H.B.M.C.**

Another word might be symbiosis.

But no, continue to bash the 3rd party companies that hurt your precious innocent GW.

**Kroothawk**

Panic wrote:
I do have issue with a company that stated on their own homepage how much they loved GW and warhammer 40,000...
yet went to court and hurt the HHHobby more than any other outside influence since... ever.

So now Chapterhouse dragged GW to court in your version of the world ?

Did they also cause climate change and 9-11 ?

Next those Chapterrorists sell tires and ruin the car industry

Wait until the US Army finds out that GW claims the IP on grenade launchers

That said, Endobai didn't explicitely say that Warrior wings are not included. This is speculation.

**rigeld2**

Panic wrote:
I do have issue with a company that stated on their own homepage how much they loved GW and warhammer 40,000...
yet went to court and hurt the HHHobby more than any other outside influence since... ever.

You're not serious...
Oh. You are. Wow. You do know that GW took them to court, right? And that GW was found to have incorrectly asserted some copyright claims, right? And that GW essentially wanted to obliterate Chapterhouse and didn't even come close, right?

No. That might hurt your worldview to acknowledge that. Dislike their sculpts all you want, but defending their basic right to make models is exactly what courts are for. GW tried to bully them and failed. And yet you blame Chapterhouse. Amazing.

If GW is such a model company, why didn't they just errata the pod out of the 5th edition codex if it was because of Chapterhouse?

**Crazy_Carnifex**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Another word might be symbiosis.

But no, continue to bash the 3rd party companies that hurt your precious innocent GW.

I like "commensalism". These guys wouldn't be hurting GW if GW just ignored them and focused on good quality products, with no holes in the range. Instead, GW is ripping the "Leeches" off, and bleeding rather badly...

**Fat_Little_Ripper**

yes GW is an "evil" company for making high priced products that people like. products that we largely enjoy. In this case Tyranids.
Can we please get back to discussing Tyranids BEFORE the mods decide we're too off topic and lock this thread... again?

**Absolutionis**

Yes, let's move away from the irrelevant distractions that were shamefully and blatantly brought up.

Some of the same as an earlier rumor, but expanded upon. Source is BigRed from BOLS again transposed by Faeit212:

via Larry Vela on Bols
Tyranid Warriors
Tyranid Warriors available in both HQ (Tyranid Prime)and Troops.
- HQ Warriors function as the Prime's retinue, and do not deploy separately.
- Prime + Retinue may deploy in a Mycetic Spore.

Troops Warriors are mostly unchanged.
Updated Biomorphs.
Adrenal Glands is much improved.
Warriors cheaper in points. (75pts base for unit).

Harpy-Eirnye
- Arm design is similar to the Forgeworld Harridan.
- Wings attach to the body via 2 sets of arm slots.
- Back 2 pairs are for the wings.
- First pair of arms is reserved for various weaponry/gribblies.

Release Basics
The total release contains 9 new kits, 3 clamshells. ZERO Finecast.

At least 1 new unit per FOC category.

Tyranids may ally with themselves. Their ally FOC is as follows: 1HQ and 2 Troops default, plus optional 1 Elites, 1-2 troop, 1 Fast Attack, 1 Heavy Support.

Biomorphs are in a seperate codex section in categories, with various Tyranid creatures having access to different categories. Biomorph categories are:
- Basic biomorphs
- Rare biomorphs
- Psychic-Leader biomorphs
- Unique biomorphs (only 1 each per army)

Units Rumors
Ymgarl Genestealers retain their ability to assault out of their hidden location.

Lictors only allow snap shots plus gain a hefty cover save when they are unveiled.

Raveners and Hormagaunts are Beasts.

Hormagaunts come equipped with Fleet by default.

Genestealers gain an A, and WS bonus.

Carnifex gains a T bonus, and may take virtually every biomorph in the codex (bringing back all those plastic bits from the kit into use.)

Trygon Primes move to HQ.

Venomthropes and Lictors are purchased in broods of 1-3 per FOC slot, but deploy and operate independently on battlefield.

New dedicated Transport big bug. May purchase a twinlinked set of heavy weapons, Transport capacity of 20 small bugs. Counts as an opened top vehicle for assault purposes.

Another "new" big bug is a direct import from EPIC with it's name unchanged.

Trygon & Raveners digital dataslate from GW Digital the same month as the codex release with a formation allowing Raveners to assault out of the Trygon's Deep Strike tunnel.

Note that BigRed is is stating that Mycetic Spores aren't out and that Prime+Warriors can use one. Then again, it may just be a "deep strike" upgrade.

BigRed's Pretre rumor rating may be low, but it's not catastrophic ghost21-low.

EDIT: Turned spoiler to quote

**Sasori**

Hey guys, perhaps we can get back on the topic of Tyranids, instead of Chapterhouse, before a Mod comes in and lays the smackdown....

On topic:

That release list looks really solid, and very plausible.

So, the prime must be included in the Warrior kit.

**brassangel**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Another word might be symbiosis.

But no, continue to bash the 3rd party companies that hurt your precious innocent GW.

First of all, I didn't say I was against what the 3rd party companies were doing. I'm against the fact they complain about the very product that feeds them all the time.

Second, show me where I called GW precious or innocent.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Endobai didn't say there were no wings, but did say:

Still don't expect all your wishes to come true. Remember it is no more than three infantry sprues in the box.

I'm going to guess we get Warriors that can do a lot, including make a Prime, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Shrikes are a separate kit with bits for a Parasite (perhaps changed to a generic, non-special Tyranid).

**Clang**

A thought on the new transport bug and the 'demise' of mycetic spores - perhaps the transport bug deploys like the old spore (or a drop pod), but then can move like an open-topped transport, thus making the spore irrelevant both tactically and model-wise?

**H.B.M.C.**

Maybe it can borrow like the Trygon, making that irrelevant?

**tetrisphreak**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe it can borrow like the Trygon, making that irrelevant?

If you're taking Trygons for their burrowing ability to "transport" units rather than spores, well irrelevant doesn't matter.

Picture a 200 point Trygon, melee beat stick. This new big bug might only be 150 points, not nearly as good in melee (but still quite handy at killing GEQ and vehicles) with a brood transported inside. Both would have similar introductions to the battlefield without making the other irrelevant.